Cheney/Edwards Debate

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:18 pm

Edwards is stumbling out of the gate.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:28 pm

This is going from bad to worse. Cheney is highly effective tonight and Edwards is anxious right now. Hopefully it gets better.

Illini25 · Post by **Illini25** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:30 pm

Roody...turn that frown upside down

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:31 pm

Edwards had a nice rebuttal there about Haliburton. Now im smiling.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:37 pm

cheap shot ****...cheap

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:39 pm

At this point I wouldn't worry about it to much man. 30 minutes in Cheney is clearly winning this right now.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:47 pm

Well Cheney won the Foreign Policy part of this debate and then some. Edwards needs to get domestic.

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:58 pm

Is there any doubt who really runs the Bush Whitehouse now?

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:59 pm

schlurpee wrote:Is there any doubt who really runs the Bush Whitehouse now?

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:01 pm

I run the house.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:02 pm

schlurpee wrote:Is there any doubt who really runs the Bush Whitehouse now?

emilyb · Post by **emilyb** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:03 pm

Burke wrote:

The_Lurker · Post by **The_Lurker** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:03 pm

I'm votin for Penis Cheney!

woot!

here, look at the monkey, everybody like monkey bush!

Zilog B · Post by **Zilog B** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:04 pm

Burke wrote:

Nice comeback, very thought provoking.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:06 pm

64bit wrote:cheap shot ****...cheap

you rang????????

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:19 pm

Once again, Kerry/Edwards proves themselves lame.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:20 pm

schlurpee wrote:Nice comeback, very thought provoking.

Just like your bull**** MoveOn.org ****? Yeah.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:37 pm

It saddens me to say that Cheney won this easily. No partisanship in that remark. Cheney won straight up.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:42 pm

I never watched it..was watching CSI: Miami from night before

but was watching local news here and they saying Edwards won..go figure lol

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:45 pm

Agrees with Roody on part of it. Cheney was in control on the forign policy debate. Domestic issues? I'm undecided. Edwards wins for content, but Cheney was one cool cucumber...On fiscal issues? I give it to Edwards. Overall for composure? Cheney by a landslide..

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:46 pm

Cool vice p owned Edwards. I like the medicare slam that Edwards tried, but in fact it was put to action under Clinton!

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:46 pm

downhill wrote:Agrees with Roody on part of it. Cheney was in control on the forign policy debate. Domestic issues? I'm undecided. Edwards wins for content, but Cheney was one cool cucumber...On fiscal issues? I give it to Edwards. Overall for composure? Cheney by a landslide..

I really thought a lawyer would win easily...

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:47 pm

Burke wrote:Just like your bull**** MoveOn.org ****? Yeah.

Hey, Schlurpee put a lot of work in single-handedly developing moveon.org!

Just because he's personally responsible for every liberal leaning sentiment that has ever enraged you in your isolated angry life doesnt mean you should take it out on him in an internet forum!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:47 pm

I should add.....on spin? Both of them loose.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:52 pm

jayyy wrote:Hey, Schlurpee put a lot of work in single-handedly developing moveon.org!

Just because he's personally responsible for every liberal leaning sentiment that has ever enraged you in your isolated angry life doesnt mean you should take it out on him in an internet forum!

Well, being that you don't even live here currently, pipe the **** down, okay, Kato?

jayyy · Post by **jayyy** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:55 pm

Didn't you post a goodbye thread saying you were going to take a week off the forums like, yesterday?

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:55 pm

Cheney was in control. Edwards was almost painful to watch.

david

Incognito · Post by **Incognito** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:03 pm

wow is this the best the democrats have?

remarkable.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:04 pm

nepenthe wrote:Cheney was in control. Edwards was almost painful to watch.

david

Are we sure that wasn't Al Gore in an Edward's costume?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:05 pm

My goodness Burke...such rancor for something that's not even the equal of the Four Sisters or The Heritage Foundation or the Sarah Scaife Foundation, or the Carthage Foundation. The thing is....there are ways to fuel money to a belief, it's just that MoveOn is the first to gain collections through the technology that the web gives us. It's the first time that the small person can in his/her mind, make a difference. MoveOn wouldn't exist if Star, Bob Barr, and a basketfull of nutcases had focused on running the country other than smearing a President.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:06 pm

Incognito wrote:wow is this the best the democrats have?

remarkable.

Funny thing is......now we get to examine the spin.

By the way, you must not have watched the last debate.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:06 pm

downhill wrote:My goodness Burke...such rancor for something that's not even the equal of the Four Sisters or The Heritage Foundation or the Sarah Scaife Foundation, or the Carthage Foundation. The thing is....there are ways to fuel money to a belief, it's just that MoveOn is the first to gain collections through the technology that the web gives us. It's the first time that the small person can in his/her mind, make a difference. MoveOn wouldn't exist if Star, Bob Barr, and a basketfull of nutcases had focused on running the country other than smearing a President.

ROFL dude

Whatever...pull your fingers away from the Al Franken book and snap yerself back into reality. David Gilmour has liquified your brain!

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:08 pm

LOL....You must not have read that book...cuz Franken never mentioned any of them to my knowledge......But then other than MoveOn.. neither has Coulter.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:09 pm

I read Playboy and Hustler.

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:10 pm

bigmo66 wrote:Are we sure that wasn't Al Gore in an Edward's costume?

John Edwards did not debate, he was stumping. What so difficult to watch was his near adolescent demeanor and body language. VP Cheney was stately and mature.

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:54 pm

My view, FWIW:

Apparently Edwards won the women polls more than the men. Most importantly, he didn't make any bad gaffs and you could see him as a VP. He doesn't have the same gravitas as Cheney does and that hurt him with men. He did look way more youthful and energetic and his closing was much better. That helped him hudely with women. Most of the hits he tried to land were deflected, though he did score with the Enron/Halliburton/Iran stuff. Cheney came across as more alpha male, which also helped him with men though he scored no heavy hits, but a series of strong jabs about voting records and the like.

I note that Cheney looked stronger than Bush did in his debate, and the comment about who really runs the White House is not without merit if these debates really reflect the men. Bush seems very big picture vision oriented where Cheney seems very focused and ground based. The dreamer versus the statistician, if you will. From the public showings of Bush, Cheney was more focused and more aware and not as sloganeering. He didn't give any sneers, but very conciously ducked his head and wrote (or played tic-tac-toe with himself, who knows what they were writing) which meant fewer reaction shots and no opportunity to get caught looking squirelly.

All in all I score it more or less a tie, with myself giving the edge to Cheney on experience and no tactical errors. Women seem to heavily favor Edwards though, and if the men are evenly divided (and it appears we mostly are or give a small win to Cheney) then Edwards wins because the overwhelming support for him from the women makes up the difference.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

minir · Post by **minir** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:47 am

Hi too All

I'm Canadian and not a Political Person at all, however i watched this Debate.

From my perspective Cheney came across as Businesslike and very controlled. Someone you could rely on in a time of emergency. Not out of place in any environment. The type of Person who speaks with knowledge and conviction.
Not in anyway a braggart and someone who holds his cards close to his Vest. Purposeful!

He showed Class when he Thanked Edwards on behalf of His Family when speaking on the Gay/Lesbian issue and made no rebuttal to Edwards remarks. He was very well prepared, but was able to sound off the cuff in most cases.

Sen. Edwards came off as a Pitchman for Kerry imho. He was so scripted that he was constantly a step behind in answering the Moderators Questions it seemed. Always wanting the last word in every exchange. The exact opposite i thought of Cheney who knew when to let things go, as his point had been made.

Edwards hand gestures and his look (like that Kid in Class who always had the answer) did little to enhance his image imho. Nothing Stately, or In Charge, in his demeanour.

I watched the Talking heads for awhile after and i thought their Views so slanted as to be laughable. Their Edwards Won without doubt insistence, caused me to wonder if we'd seen the same Debate.

I thought VP Cheney overpowered Edwards at every turn and clearly was the hands down Winner of this night.

His past experience showed and imho He is clearly a step beyond Edwards, or Kerry imho.

Well thats enough Politics for me for the next 20 years.

One of those sleepless nights...Damn i used to think of women, or watch the Porn channel.

---Don't tell downhill i was here

---

regards

minir

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:38 am

Anyone notice how Cheney didn't thank Edwards at the end?

nepenthe · Post by **nepenthe** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:36 am

Roody wrote:Anyone notice how Cheney didn't thank Edwards at the end?

Oh yes... as did Edwards.

thechemgeek · Post by **thechemgeek** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:48 am

i had hoped for some better questions and thought they were very poor. the canidates obviously wanted to talk about certain subjects and regradless of some questions did what they wanted.