Avatars

OxBlooD · Post by **OxBlooD** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:56 pm

Originally posted by Silver
LOL, OxBlood, your's would definately fall into my unneeded catagory, as good as it is. Would you mind too terribly changing to something more work safe? Please?

So just because my Avatar "fall into you unneeded catagory"
you think it should be deleted or change??

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:57 pm

Typed verbatim.

Please ensure that ALL of your team members are reminded that Porn of any kind is not allowed on any of the systems.

Porn on an individuals machine is cause for disciploiinary action.

Make sure that everyone is notified of this ASAP.

Make part of the one-onone-after the ASAP notification.

Thats what I got. Note, it does not say, Only bukkaki fests and german scat is subject to action, it said any and all.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:57 pm

Originally posted by Silver
......Also, how is two girls kissing expresses yourself except in the fact that you are a horny internet geek that believes flawless women kissing are the end all be all of your existence. Is that what you stand for? Is that what you need to see on this board in order to be happy? If so, you might be on the wrong board.

.......Also, if that is what you feel expresses yourself, then you would seem to be a little shallow in that you could think of nothing better to add other then "I leik boobs lol" So take yourself back to some aol chat rooms, and come back when you express yourself with something more then boobs omg lol boobs.

ha ha.
I really don't think I have a lowbrow mentality. But if you think otherwise, OK.
And I don't think an expression of one's attractions necessarily represents anything shallow. It's a huge part of a person's psychological makeup. If anything, I'd argue that those who take offense to something so basically human aren't using their intellect to its fullest.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:57 pm

Originally posted by OxBlooD
So just because my Avatar "fall into you unneeded catagory"
you think it should be deleted or change??

For the "at work" people yes. Again, it looks great, and is funny. Inappropriate for work though.

64bit · Post by **64bit** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:01 pm

never seen any porn in any avatar. two girls ALMOST kissing is not ever considered pg-13 im pretty sure. Must suck to work at a joint like that anyhow.

OxBlooD · Post by **OxBlooD** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:04 pm

Originally posted by Silver
For the "at work" people yes. Again, it looks great, and is funny. Inappropriate for work though.

So turn the pictures of when surfing SG at work.What do you spend your hole 8 hour 5 days a week researching something on SG?? So that mean I got to change my beloved av 24/7 so you can browse SG for 10 minutes at work

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:06 pm

Regardless of all of this debate, the decision is up to the people who OWN the servers you're currently posting on. If Phillip and crew say that they don't want it, please respect their wishes.

End of story.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:06 pm

i can see both points on this one. i know silver isnt meaning anything bad by his request, its just not something thats easy to word without upsetting alot of people. unfortunately, businesses are really cracking down on what could be declared as obscene.

his request in my opinion is a reasonable one, that said, my suggestion since he is in the minority on this one, is to just disable images or avoid the forums as a whole while at work.

OxBlooD · Post by **OxBlooD** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:07 pm

Originally posted by 64bit
maybe since you are at work and your the party thats not allowed to view images "like that" you should be the one to come up with a solution you can implement Yourself. Are we suppose to run every avatar by people now to make sure their boss or co-workers arent offended?

wELL SAID

Agree100% He just dont wanna get busted at work thats all

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:07 pm

oops, looks like it was decided for us, in the time i made my last post to just now my avatar was removed and replaced by someone other then me.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:11 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
Regardless of all of this debate, the decision is up to the people who OWN the servers you're currently posting on. If Phillip and crew say that they don't want it, please respect their wishes.

End of story.

Not really. A forum is nothing without its members. As an integral part of the site, the users have every right to give input on what's happening. Do they make the final decision? No. But from what I've seen here at SG, Philip and the staff try to balance interests, and at least seem to care what users think. This discussion is about what we think -- and to me, that's important.

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:13 pm

not that im real upset by it, but apparently it was decided that these avatars were inappropriate, hence as i mentioned just a moment ago mine was changed by someone other then me

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:15 pm

Originally posted by torsten
Not really. A forum is nothing without its members. As an integral part of the site, the users have every right to give input on what's happening. Do they make the final decision? No. But from what I've seen here at SG, Philip and the staff try to balance interests, and at least seem to care what users think. This discussion is about what we think -- and to me, that's important.

If you don't like it, you're free to leave. The number of people who feel the need to have lesbian avatars are vastly outnumbered by the people who see it as unnecessary and something that doesn't belong here.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:17 pm

Torsen- Wasn't saying to quit crying about the first amendment because the issue was raised or anything, just that I foresaw that as a likely "cry" from people. It was preemptive and not solely directed at you

Now, for the rest of it

It's quite simple really. Neither side is right or wrong. It's a matter of opinion which we can give feedback on but ultimately do not have control over. I happen to think there is a time and a place for certain things. Others obviously see that differently and believe, apparently, there is no time like the present for anything.

I gave my reasons for it and am told that they are lame reasons. Well, woopeedoo. What are your reasons for seeing this as an appropriate place for posting what you want? Yes, a few of us brought up the whole thing, and last time I checked that was something not frowned upon, even by some of those complaining about it. In other words, I think you are all complaining at the wrong people. I don't believe any of us that mentioned it actually changed your avatars. And if you think that a few people influenced this decision, I don't think so. Otherwise we would have sig images back like A LOT of people have asked for. We still don't. Guess we can't make all the decisions eh?

My last post on it unless you (collective) take a different angle of attack other than saying "don't surf at work" or "turn of pictures". Kind of missing the point with that angle IMHO.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:21 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
If you don't like it, you're free to leave. The number of people who feel the need to have lesbian avatars are vastly outnumbered by the people who see it as unnecessary and something that doesn't belong here.

The reverse is true, if you don't like the avatars, you're free to leave.
The point is, I (as well as many others) are free to give our view of the situation, not just leave.

I find that to be a rather slimy way to look at it anyway. Kinda like the people who are always saying leave the country to those who disagree with current policy. My guess is it stems from frustration created by being unable to counter an obvious argument. Namely that a kissing avatar, is NOT porn and doesn't represent anything that you don't see on prime time TV.

Easier to say "just leave" I guess.

OxBlooD · Post by **OxBlooD** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:23 pm

How about go to Edit Options in your profile and just click no in Show user's avatar in their posts? yes no

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:25 pm

Originally posted by OxBlooD
How about go to to Edit Options in your profile and the just click no in Show user's avatar in their posts? yes no

Excellent point. I assume that function is there for a REASON.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:27 pm

Originally posted by torsten
The reverse is true, if you don't like the avatars, you're free to leave.
The point is, I (as well as many others) are free to give our view of the situation, not just leave.

I find that to be a rather slimy way to look at it anyway. Kinda like the people who are always saying leave the country to those who disagree with current policy. My guess is it stems from frustration created by being unable to counter an obvious argument. Namely that a kissing avatar, is NOT porn and doesn't represent anything that you don't see on prime time TV.

Easier to say "just leave" I guess.

Yes I am free to leave. But seeing how I'm not complaining that someone is changing people's avatars that aren't seen as appropriate, I don't see why I would leave.

The debate, as I said, its pretty much moot. Debate all you want, just don't expect to get anywhere. If the powers that be at SG decide to do something, its their call, whether you think the avatars belong or not. Period.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:30 pm

Originally posted by cybotron r_9
by the way congrats on your post count rolleyes:

Thanks, postcount is relative to member size, I thought you knew that.

Originally posted by torsten
ha ha.
I really don't think I have a lowbrow mentality. But if you think otherwise, OK.
And I don't think an expression of one's attractions necessarily represents anything shallow. It's a huge part of a person's psychological makeup. If anything, I'd argue that those who take offense to something so basically human aren't using their intellect to its fullest.

No, if that is what they want to express then cool deal. I would like to not see it here.

Originally posted by 64bit
never seen any porn in any avatar. two girls ALMOST kissing is not ever considered pg-13 im pretty sure. Must suck to work at a joint like that anyhow.

Yeah, thats not porn, it must be art. omg rolleyes omg.

Yeah, it must be art, I'm sorry. I see some chick gyrating her hips over a bannana is totally not porn. I see that on tv all the time.

Originally posted by OxBlooD
So turn the pictures of when surfing SG at work.What do you spend your hole 8 hour 5 days a week researching something on SG?? So that mean I got to change my beloved av 24/7 so you can browse SG for 10 minutes at work:rolleyes rolleyes: rolleyes: rolleyes:

Yeah, I only browse for 10 minutes while at work. rolleyes.

Originally posted by OxBlooD
wELL SAID:nod :nod nod: Agree100% He just dont wanna get busted at work thats allrolleyes:

You're right. I don't and since this site is touted as a work safe enviorment, hence the editing out of words and such, I feel I am in the right.

And Finally. After all the well thought out arguments, I figured you know, you guys are right, we should be able to have anything in our avatars. I mean I am just dumb for wanting to browse at work worry free. You are just expressing yourselves, and stating that you are raging heterosexuals and I guess hoping that no one will think otherwise. Ok, well let me introduce my new av, a happily married man making a cherry pie. kthx and I guess anything goes now huh.

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:30 pm

Originally posted by torsten
Excellent point. I assume that function is there for a REASON.

our opinion is not to be forced on everyone but yours is? that don't fly.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:31 pm

All this is simply a matter of respect for the other members here.

Nothing more, nothing less. It was stated by Noevo that for the most part, this is a tech site.

Having said that, the general forum is provided by Philip as a venue for ideas and to also have fun.

Sometimes members arn't going to just get whatever they want.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:31 pm

Originally posted by OxBlooD
How about go to Edit Options in your profile and just click no in Show user's avatar in their posts? yes no

Ok, good point.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:32 pm

No that's not a good point at all. It's an ignorant point.

The kissing girls was just another step in the wrong direction, this morning someone had kissing guys...that one made me gag.

Poor reasoning when we read "If you don't like the avatars...simply turn them off so you don't see them!" WRONG ANSWER.....using these forums is a priveledge, not a right. You're a guest here....follow the rules. Don't like the rules? abuse the rules? then leave under your own will, or under an admins foot.

Avatars are a cool option that let people personalize themselves on this forum...and most of us enjoy them, and use them properly. It sucks to see a small handful mistreat them, to ruin it for others.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:32 pm

Originally posted by Silver
Ok, good point.

I applaud your demonstration, but seriously, that's going overboard. Goatse man is soooo 1998...

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:34 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
What are your reasons for seeing this as an appropriate place for posting what you want?

I don't think ANYONE has made the argument that posting should have no limits. As far as I know, the policy was PG-13. It's like this: If the speed limit is 55 and you drive 70, you'll get a ticket and there's not much you can do about it. But if you drive 45 and get one, something's wrong and it's time to speak up.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:35 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
I applaud your demonstration, but seriously, that's going overboard. Goatse man is soooo 1998...

1998, but he always wins.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:35 pm

Originally posted by Silver
1998, but he always wins.

Win or not, that's DEFINATELY not PG-13.

On a side note, I think I can see what he ate for dinner last night...

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:35 pm

Originally posted by torsten
I don't think ANYONE has made the argument that posting should have no limits. As far as I know, the policy was PG-13. It's like this: If the speed limit is 55 and you drive 70, you'll get a ticket and there's not much you can do about it. But if you drive 45 and get one, something's wrong and it's time to speak up.

but philip has a right to slide the speed limit around if he so chooses is my point. this is not a democracy.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:37 pm

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
Win or not, that's DEFINATELY not PG-13.

On a side note, I think I can see what he ate for dinner last night...

Some guys hands in a cherry pie? It's my expression for my av. omg lol you don't like it turn off av's omg

{{{hugs bjs}}}

Noevo · Post by **Noevo** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:38 pm

Originally posted by downhill
All this is simply a matter of respect for the other members here.

Nothing more, nothing less. It was stated by Noevo that for the most part, this is a tech site.

Having said that, the general forum is provided by Philip as a venue for ideas and to also have fun.

Sometimes members arn't going to just get whatever they want.

overlooked for being too rational.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:41 pm

Originally posted by OxBlooD
Omg dude can you just use this How about go to Edit Options in your profile and just click no in Show user's avatar in their posts? yes no

Again...wrong. Seeing others creativity is really kinda fun.

You may not like the idea that your particular avatar upsets folk, but if it does, and if a mod agrees with the point made, it goes. That simple.

So far, either the mods don't mind yours or no one has complained.

All this banter over avatars? I can remember when we couldn't even have them.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:42 pm

Originally posted by downhill
All this banter over avatars? I can remember when we couldn't even have them.

Give someone an inch...

cybotron r_9 · Post by **cybotron r_9** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:47 pm

this is fun, start the ball rolling and sit back with my chocolate shake and laugh

Thanks, postcount is relative to member size, I thought you knew that.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:48 pm

Originally posted by cybotron r_9

Tis true! Ole tiny Tim. heheeheeh.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:48 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
our opinion is not to be forced on everyone but yours is? that don't fly.

What an absolute distortion. MY opinion advocates no force of any kind. It's just the opposite. That's just like the distortions fundamentalists use politically. When someone advocating neutrality steps in to prevent them from dominating others, they complain that they're the ones being attacked.

Originally posted by downhill
Sometimes members arn't going to just get whatever they want.

Unless they complain and say they (or someone) are offended. THEY seem to get what they want.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:51 pm

You are correct Roody. Sorry about that.
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Roody · Post by **Roody** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:54 pm

oh dear god, lets not getting into warez guys, even if we are kidding. this could get out of hand.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:56 pm

Originally posted by torsten

Unless they complain and say they (or someone) are offended. THEY seem to get what they want.

Ah but you miss the point. Sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose....You are taking this too personal.

Secondly, those are only avatars, and as such, I'm sure that most of us have enough to our personalitys that we can find at least a zillion different things that wouldn't be offensive or obtrusive to those who like to surf at work or even home with out wives or children looking over our shoulders wondering why aunt kate and her best friend are kissing. Or why some woman in a thong is grinding over a bananna......sheesh......

Also...this should be applied to everyone here. Not to just a select few. If anyone has complaints...take them to the mods...easy peasy.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:58 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
but philip has a right to slide the speed limit around if he so chooses is my point. this is not a democracy.

I haven't seen a different policy posted or explained. And even if it were, I'd still have the prerogative to give my view of it. It's amazing how people will just blindly defend something without regard to the reasons behind it. I think it's ingrained in the American conscience. In every aspect of life it seems easier to appeal to arbitrariness and authority than to actually discuss whether something is merited or not. If someone is afraid of that discussion, they're not putting themselves in an admirable position.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:58 pm

Originally posted by Noevo
but philip has a right to slide the speed limit around if he so chooses is my point. this is not a democracy.

I haven't seen a different policy posted or explained. And even if it were, I'd still have the prerogative to give my view of it. It's amazing how people will just blindly defend something without regard to the reasons behind it. I think it's ingrained in the American conscience. In every aspect of life it seems easier to appeal to arbitrariness and authority than to actually discuss whether something is merited or not. If someone is afraid of that discussion, they're not putting themselves in an admirable position.