I'm glad we NUKED those bastards!

Paindriver · Post by **Paindriver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:27 am

I read all these posts, but the most disturbing was the first few posts from EA. and from those posts EA i see this....

ig·no·rant Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.

You post that you saw stories on tv of pow's being abused.
Well maybe you missed the fact that Japanese American's were spit upon, beaten, and put in Camps. Yep admitted by the U.S Government "Concentration Camps". Try doing some research on both sides before making hated statements. have a nice day.

torsten · Post by **torsten** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:48 am

Originally posted by Paindriver
I read all these posts, but the most disturbing was the first few posts from EA. and from those posts EA i see this....

You post that you saw stories on tv of pow's being abused.
Well maybe you missed the fact that Japanese American's were spit upon, beaten, and put in Concentration Camps. Yep admitted by the U.S Government "Concentration Camps". Try doing some research on both sides before making hated statements. have a nice day.

While some have justifiably criticized the WWII American "relocation" or "internment" camps (in hindsight), I don't think you can equate the purpose of them with the kind of things EA was talking about. The term "concentration camp" has obvious Nazi connotations that suggest they exist for genocide. That was neither their purpose nor their result.

There are degress of harm and evil. Failing to distinguish between major and minor degrees suggests that your motives go beyond just telling the facts. What are they?

Bouncer · Post by **Bouncer** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 2:05 am

Actually they were called either "relocation camps" or "internment camps". They were never referred to as "concentration camps".

Paft, so you know, the Afghans have been butchering members of each side for years now. One of the preferred methods of mass execution is to simply pack prisoners into a steel cargo container for a few days, then dump the bodies into a mass grave or bury the cargo container. Cheap and effective, they suffocate in a 160 degree oven within a few hours.

The WSWS is taking the possibility (likelyhood) that Northern alliance commanders sometimes did this to Taliban prisoners when the US wasn't around (remember, both sides have been doing this, and worse things to each other for years) and expanding it out to include the presence of US troops before or during the events. (unlikely at best). If nothing else we would've heard from the soldiers themselves if they had seen this happen.

From CNN, Newsweek, Physicians for Human rights and the United Nations...

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/c ... s/?related

Now, before you cry too much for the Taliban, I want you to understand some of what they have done:

In 1998, "On August 8 and the days that followed, Taliban militiamen and their allies methodically executed between 2000 and 5000 civilians in one of the deadliest mass killings of civilians in two decades of warfare in Afghanistan, according to interviews with witnesses who later fled to Pakistan and reports by international human rights investigators. Taliban militiamen searched house to house for males of fighting age who belonged to the Hazara ethnic minority, says a report in Washington.

Hazaras were gunned down in front of their families or had their throats slit. Others, thrown in to the city's overcrowded jail, were executed by firing squads or crammed in to tractor-trailers, where they sweltered all day in the summer sun -doors shut- until most perished from suffocation or that heavy trucks hauled the bodies to the nearby desert and dumped them in heaps like trash, according to the reports."

http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/dogs.htm

Need some more proof?

"Hazara leaders claim their group, about 10 percent of Afghanistan's population, suffered the worst atrocities at the hands of the Taliban. They claim as many as 15,000 Hazara were killed in a religiously motivated slaughter in Mazar-e-Sharif and other parts of Afghanistan."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... 09-ON.html

15,000 people. Massacred.

Hard to believe?

Maybe your eyes will convince you. Go view the videos on this site:

WARNING!: THE IMAGES ARE *EXTREMELY* BRUTAL AND DISTURBING! I'm not kidding even a little bit. They are horriffic.

http://rawasongs.fancymarketing.net/movies/movies1.htm
Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)

You can watch a woman being executed by the Taliban in the main soccer stadium in Kabul. You can watch a group of people have their throats cuts in public by the Taliban. You can see a picture of a woman horribly burned by her Taliban husband. You can see two men hanged by the Taliban. You can see more people being murdered in other areas by the Taliban, and yet more people getting their throats cut by the Taliban. You can see video of a mass grave of 600 people killed by the Taliban, including women and children.

Get the idea? You're talking about a group of mass murderers, women beaters, and extremely dangerous and violent men, who met their end with the same sympathy and the same compassion, that they showed to others. That is, none. The method of their death is, if anything, befitting of their life and in many cases far more peaceful than what they offer others. Those who live by the sword, and would gladly put others to the sword, have no right to sympathy when they are put under the sword.

Is the Northern Alliance better? Sad to say, they are in fact worlds better. Just ask the women who can finally go out in public and (gasp!) actually show their faces, or (shock!) learn to READ!

The truth is, that the Taliban are so extreme, that ALL the other countries of the region consider them to be out of control religious fanatics. The Supreme leader of Iran (generally known as the most Islamic country in the world) describes them thus:

"What is being done in our neighbourhood in the name of Islam by a bunch unaware of this religion, is neither connected to Islam nor accepted by its' principles...They are the best example for what is called reactionary, prejudiced and far from human realities." -Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

http://www.growley.com/war/taliban.html

Paft, you absolutely waste your sympathy on people no better than the worst nazi concentration camp guards. The truth is they earn no sympathy, and they deserve no sympathy. The world, and their own country, is a better, safer, and more sane place without them.

Even their fellow Afghanis think so.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Rings890 · Post by **Rings890** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 2:16 am

Originally posted by EvilAngel
What pisses me off the most is we treat our POW's like gold compaired to others.

we are so bad to our POW's

you might want to do a little research on that. The US has been very brutal to POW in history and in present. So don't stand there pretending your hands are clean.
On the same note, it can be very difficult to follow the "rules" of handling POWs in times of high emotion.

Paft · Post by **Paft** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:22 am

Originally posted by Bouncer
Paft, you absolutely waste your sympathy on people no better than the worst nazi concentration camp guards. The truth is they earn no sympathy, and they deserve no sympathy. The world, and their own country, is a better, safer, and more sane place without them.

Even their fellow Afghanis think so.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

Thank you Bouncer.

Structured arguments, and proof. I'll bow out of this right now.. have to re-evaluate some ideas of mine.

aagiants · Post by **aagiants** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:06 am

Guys im dont take any offense to this, but how do u guys know if there isn't a japanese person lurking on thesse boards, or if a member is japanese, and takes offence to this

btw im korean and dont really care what was said

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 10:50 pm

Originally posted by Rings890
you might want to do a little research on that. The US has been very brutal to POW in history and in present. So don't stand there pretending your hands are clean.
On the same note, it can be very difficult to follow the "rules" of handling POWs in times of high emotion.

Never claimed that the US hands were clean all I said was What pisses me off the most is we treat our POW's like gold compaired to others. That statement in no way claims that the our hands are clean. Just that we treat them ALOT better than they treat theirs.

So instead of coming in pounding your chest and splewing out blanket statments why don't you post some facts... what makes how you approached this thread any different than the way I did? mm hmmm

Krazy Kraut · Post by **Krazy Kraut** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:07 pm

Originally posted by Rings890
you might want to do a little research on that. The US has been very brutal to POW in history and in present. So don't stand there pretending your hands are clean. [/B]

maybee u should take your own advise and do a little research

Originally posted by EvilAngel
What pisses me off the most is we treat our POW's like gold compaired to others

UR RIGHT
the german POW that were brought to the US didnt want to go back to germany
the captured generals were given a 2 story house in a camp
able to have a garden
and each general had their own personal gardener
each standard POW was given 3 gourmet meals a day

these guys were being fed better than our troops in the feild eating their C rations
also some of our prisoners were lined up by the germans
and shot on site
during the battle of the bulge in the ardeness forrest
hundreds of americans POW were found dead in a are of about 100 ft by 100 ft

the germans would bring in a MG 42 and kill em all

as you all might be able to tell im a huge ww2 buff

Paindriver · Post by **Paindriver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:13 pm

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Never claimed that the US hands were clean all I said was What pisses me off the most is we treat our POW's like gold compaired to others. That statement in no way claims that the our hands are clean. Just that we treat them ALOT better than they treat theirs.

So instead of coming in pounding your chest and splewing out blanket statments why don't you post some facts... what makes how you approached this thread any different than the way I did? mm hmmm

The difference is my approach is mellow and calm.

secondly your comments...well let me quote ya....

I'm glad we NUKED those bastards!

those Japanese SOBs

Yah ok... those SOB's ......

Paft I hope your family is starved untill they are bloated then thrown into a dark cave just to be fed contaninated rice and water then torchured daily only be be burnt alive or shot. so you'll undestand what pain they put the US threw.

Are direct quotes enough facts for you??
I don't go around calling "SOB's" and talking about families.

So instead of coming in pounding your chest

hmm.. that was funny because i feel so calm.

WHat happened back then has been dealt with. We can get all into the racial segration and everything with African Americans too. What about more recent than WWII where an American Soldier (not sure what branch) raped a little japanese girl....umm that's a fact. That didn't look too good on the soldiers stationed there now did it.

So go have a beer because i've Gotcha

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:21 pm

Dude, Paindriver... I didn't even respond to you... torsten summed it up well and I didn';t feel that I needed to add...

Paindriver · Post by **Paindriver** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:26 pm

well i made the mistake at even reading through this...i knew i wouldn't be able to stop my self from posting because of being offended. I am WHITE+GERMAN+JAPANESE i saw some offensive words so i had to reply and i will leave it at that for this thread.

EvilAngel · Post by **EvilAngel** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:30 pm

Ok, I should appologize to anyone I may have offended. I appologize.

After seeing that show I was in disbelief. I watch the History Channel and Discovery Channel all the time and I have never seen any documentarys on how evil the US is to our POWs. ( which I doubt they are, force is needed to control any hostile enemy. Please and excuse me just ain't going to be too effective.)

And yes, this is MY source of information, without getting into to much detail I have had my head in the mudd ( so-to-speak) and yes I am ignorant to worldy events.

Paindriver, when you come in calling someone ignorant is hardly a calm and effective way to get a point across.