...asked me if he could setup a meeting with me and shoot some info to me
I said sure why not. he wants to meet me during my tech. aid period.
always was interested in the military (my dad was in the army for 20 years) dont know about the marine corp specifically...but military is always an option for me. looking for something different. however I dont know if I want to go ahead and join now with bush's GREAT ( ) iraq plans.
the problem is I know that if I let him talk and decide its not for me...they are still gonna bug me for the next two years (theyve been calling since I was 15).
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
What is that supposed to mean???
I have been to combat 2x!!!! and Iraq was one of them.
It is my opinion that all students who are able, upon graduating H/S serve at least 2 years
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Even if you joined today, by the time you wait to go to Boot Camp and Marine Combat training, take some leave, go to your Military Occupational Specialty School, it could be a year or better before you get to a Fleet unit. Don't worry about a war with IRAQ lasting that long.
Originally posted by JC bush's GREAT iraq plans?????
What is that supposed to mean???
I have been to combat 2x!!!! and Iraq was one of them.
It is my opinion that all students who are able, upon graduating H/S serve at least 2 years
hey Im not trying to say I dont want to join the military and all that. and trust me JC my dad spent most of my childhood in other places (desert storm and desert shield two of the biggest ones I remember) and it was hard on my family. what I mean about bush is that he seems to me to sometimes go over on the "deep" end. its kind of funny how after all the time of not really interfering with saddam etc. that we are back to him almost as if bush is finishing what his father started. will I back our country 100%? yes. will I fight if I have to? ofcourse.
dont misunderstand what I said JC. I just think sometimes bush over reacts.. yes saddam should be watch (he has been too), but we dont need to make any hasty actions. we already have most of the baltics pissed at us. oh well, Ill see what he has to say tonight.
but like I said. I look up to my father. the army is something I have always considered. I will probably do my stint in the military. I just dont want to get caught up in something that we dont HAVE to actually get caught up in.
I dont know if that clarified my point, but, like I said. Its not that I dont back this country 100% its just sometimes I think bush doesnt fully think everything through.
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
Originally posted by bigmo66 Even if you joined today, by the time you wait to go to Boot Camp and Marine Combat training, take some leave, go to your Military Occupational Specialty School, it could be a year or better before you get to a Fleet unit. Don't worry about a war with IRAQ lasting that long.
Go serve with some of the finest. OOh Rah!
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lol thge recruiter used ooh rah like ok on the phone today.
my favorite is huah?
huah?
huah.
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
The mere fact that you can freely, publicly, and openly disagree with our elected leaders actions is testament to the American way.
If you appreciate this fact, then serve your country in some capacity, be it the military, humanitarian service, charity volunteer, or active voter...it doesn't matter to me so long as you do something to help out.
There can be no America without practicing Americans....
The mere fact that you can freely, publicly, and openly disagree with our elected leaders actions is testament to the American way.
If you appreciate this fact, then serve your country in some capacity, be it the military, humanitarian service, charity volunteer, or active voter...it doesn't matter to me so long as you do something to help out.
There can be no America without practicing Americans....
I think Ive been here long enough that you can call me Sean
I would like to serve in the military, the other thing is Im so confused as to what I ACTUALLY want to do right now that Im lost in it all. I dont want to jump into something right away.
Ive got about 5 college applications and a couple of auto school applications laying around, on top of the military's interest in me.
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
Originally posted by XSeaNX I think Ive been here long enough that you can call me Sean
I would like to serve in the military, the other thing is Im so confused as to what I ACTUALLY want to do right now that Im lost in it all. I dont want to jump into something right away.
Ive got about 5 college applications and a couple of auto school applications laying around, on top of the military's interest in me.
Well...just take your time and do what is best for you. Don't rush into anything.
Originally posted by jumpinduo Remember that recruiters will tell you anything to get you to join the military.
That is all.
how right you are. my dad lets me in on all their little secrets. and you shoulda seen the way they followed my brother. Heaven forbid you see them in public. they have like 40 minute conversations with you. but most of em are cool. I know a couple of people down at the local army recruiting office. they try to recruit, but most of em are just all around nice people. Funny part is when you know em, they DONT try to recruit you
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
I've always heard that marines are basically the people who go in first and/or do all the dirty work in war, or conflicts.
I am not, nor do I claim to be a military expert, but my roomie, who is a military enthusiast gives me that impression whenever the armed forces enter a dicussion.
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Yeah, Marines tend to get the dirty assignments, mainly cuz they are the best riflemen and all around duty soldier. Why send in the second string when the all-stars are ready to go. Also the Marines are kept at a higher state of readiness than most active units. Only makes sense that these guys get to test thier skills more often. Rangers fall into this catagory too, and special ops as well. But when the need for an occupying force arises, Marines are the simple and correct choice. That and they scare the begeezus outta opposing forces.
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"What makes Marine infantry special? Asking the question that way misses the most fundamental point about the United States Marine Corps. In the Marines, everyone - sergeant, mechanic, cannoneer, supply man, clerk, aviator, cook-is a rifleman first. The entire corps, all 170,000 or so on the active rolls, plus the reserves, are all infantry. All speak the language of the rifle and bayonet, of muddy boots and long, hot marches.
It's never us and them, only us. That is the secret of the Corps." "If Army infantry amounts to a stern monastic order standing apart, on the edge of the wider secular soldier world, Marine infantry more resembles the central totem worshiped by the entire tribe. Marines have specialized, as have all modern military oganizations. And despite the all-too-real rigors of boot camp, annual rifle qualification, and high physical standards, a Marine aircraft crew chief or radio repairman wouldn't make a good 0311 on a squad assault. But those Marine technical types know that they serve the humble grunt, the man who will look the enemy in the eye within close to belly-ripping range.
Moreover, all Marines think of themselves as grunts at heart, just a bit out of practice at the moment. That connection creates a great strength throughout the Corps." "It explains why Marine commanders routinely, even casually, combine widely disparate kinds of capabilities into small units.... Marines send junior officers and NCOs out from their line rifle companies and expect results. They get them, too." "Even a single Marine has on call the firepower of the air wing, the Navy, and all of the United States. Or at least he thinks he does. A Marine acts accordingly. He is expected to take charge, to improvise, to adapt, to overcome. A Marine gets by with ancient aircraft (the ratty C-46E Frog, for example), hand-me-down weapons (such as the old M-60 tanks used in the Gulf War), and whatever else he can bum off the Army or cajole out of the Navy.
Marines get the job done regardless, because they are Marines. They make a virtue out of necessity. The men, not the gear, make the difference. Now and again, the Marines want to send men, not bullets." "This leads to a self-assurance that sometimes comes across as disregard for detailed staff-college quality planning and short shrift for high-level supervision. Senior Army officers in particular sometimes find the Marines mateurish, cavalier, and overly trusting in just wading in and letting the junior leaders sort it out. In the extreme, a few soldiers have looked at the Corps as some weird, inferior, ersatz ground war establishment, a bad knockoff of the real thing." "'A small, *****ed-up army talking Navy lingo,' opined Army Brigadier General Frank Armstrong in one of the most brutal interservice assessments. That was going too far. But deep down, many Army professionals tended to wonder about the Marines. Grab a defended beach? Definitely. Seize a hill? Sure, if you don't mind paying a little. But take charge of a really big land operation? Not if we can help it." "Anyone who has watched an amphibious landing unfold would be careful with that kind of thinking. The Marines actually have a lot in common with their elite Army infantry brothers, if not with all the various Army headquarters and service echelons. True, Marine orders do tend to be, well...brief. But so do those of the airborne, the air assault, the light-fighters, and the rangers, for the same good reason: Hard,realistic training teaches soldiers how to fight by doing, over and over, so they need not keep writing about it, regurgitating basics every time. More enlightened soldiers consider that goodness. A three-inch thick order, a big CP, and lots of meetings do not victory make.
The Marines consciously reject all that. And why not? Despite the occasional Tarawa or Beirut, it works." "A Corps infused with a rifleman ethos has few barriers to intra-service cooperation. The Army talks a great deal about combined arms and does it down to about battalion level, with a lot of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Marines do it all the way down to the individual Marine. Soldiers have defined military occupational specialties and guard their prerogatives like union shop stewards. Finance clerks don't do machine guns. Mechanics skip foot marches to fix trucks. Intell analysts work in air-conditioned trailers; they don't patrol. Marines, though, are just Marines. They all consider themselves trigger pullers. They even like it, as might be expected of an elite body."
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They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake".
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Originally posted by brembo Yeah, Marines tend to get the dirty assignments, mainly cuz they are the best riflemen and all around duty soldier. Why send in the second string when the all-stars are ready to go. Also the Marines are kept at a higher state of readiness than most active units. Only makes sense that these guys get to test thier skills more often. Rangers fall into this catagory too, and special ops as well. But when the need for an occupying force arises, Marines are the simple and correct choice. That and they scare the begeezus outta opposing forces.
well your right and wrong...
marines can be deployed within a couple of hours (Even less if your talking special forces) but Iw ouldnt consider them rifle experts....they are different but just like army infantry....
they are usually the first out..but to get together a platoon or a battalion takes a couple days...marines are usually out with the navy and can be sent out on a whims notice. though I dont consider the marines to be the "best" at everything
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
Not rifle experts? What in the heck are you smoking? Rifles are thier claim to fame, evryone is a crack shot, or at least good enough that you are in serious danger at 300 yards if they can see you.
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Originally posted by XSeaNX well your right and wrong...
marines can be deployed within a couple of hours (Even less if your talking special forces) but Iw ouldnt consider them rifle experts....they are different but just like army infantry....
they are usually the first out..but to get together a platoon or a battalion takes a couple days...marines are usually out with the navy and can be sent out on a whims notice. though I dont consider the marines to be the "best" at everything
I think you should reconsider your opinon which seems to be very lacking in real world knowledge.
EVERY Marine MUST qual with rifle to graduate from boot camp and requal every year.
Marines that can be deployed "within a couple of hours" are Battation Landing Teams (BLT's) or now known as SLF's (Special Landing Force). Note the Battation, not a squad or platoon but a fully armed and ready Battation! There are always 2 or 3 of these afloat with the Navy.
If have any doubt as to the "best" I would suggest you try watching Full Metal Jacket again. I think I can speak from first hand knowledge as to that. If you go here R Lee Ermey Photo check the the platoon picture. The 2 DI's on either side were my DI's.
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They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake".
Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991
i have a question..... were the Marines the first US outfit to commission snipers specifically (as an in-military "trade" if you will. bear with me, as i am not persoanly a military man).
i know they were typically a regular rifleman within a unit before Vietnam (rather than being schooled and branded specifically as a Marine Sniper), but did the Army or any other branch of the military do this before then?
i watch way too much Hostory Channel as you can tell.
Originally posted by XSeaNX well your right and wrong...
they are usually the first out..but to get together a platoon or a battalion takes a couple days...
Nope, wrong wording! Our "Platoons" and "Battalians" are ready 24/7. As a matter of fact, we can mobilize an entire Marine Expeditionary Force rather quickly. Nowadays we do things different though. Special units tailored to the mission. It's all about Expeditionary Forces. In case one is interested, here is a basic chain of ground forces:
Marine
Fire Team
Squad
Platoon
Company
Battalion
Regiment
Division
Marine Expeditionary Force
Fleet Marine Force (Includes Airwing and all other Facets)
Originally posted by bigmo66 Nope, wrong wording! Our "Platoons" and "Battalians" are ready 24/7. As a matter of fact, we can mobilize an entire Marine Expeditionary Force rather quickly. Nowadays we do things different though. Special units tailored to the mission. It's all about Expeditionary Forces. In case one is interested, here is a basic chain of ground forces:
Marine
Fire Team
Squad
Platoon
Company
Battalion
Regiment
Division
Marine Expeditionary Force
Fleet Marine Force (Includes Airwing and all other Facets)
Man I miss this stuff!
I meant specific to the army. I know when my dad had to head out, the marines were always the first ones there and he was a day or two behind, basically because they werent on the ready.
and lukeman I wasnt trying to down the marines, but you make it sound like the army's infantry are just a bunch of baboons running around with a gun they cant fire well.
my dad retired a SGT MAJ in the 101st airborne 1/502nd. he was also a weapons expert. does that mean everyone in the army was a marksman? no but that doesnt mean that the marines are the be all end all, if they cant do it no one can.
however I will tell you that the marines are DEFINATELY more disciplined than any other branch of the military (except maybe the SEALs and D.F.)
I like to think of every branch of the military fairly equal with each other. without ANY one of the branches we would not be as strong. each one has their own use. thats why I dont like it when people think marines are all rambos with guns (or that they are brainwashed). and that the navy are a bunch of gay sea men or that the air force are cocky college graduated flyboys. or that those in the army just werent good enough for the other branches.
my dad served 20 long years and did his fair share just like anyone in the marines did, and I can honestly say that anyone who serves for that long would never do it any different, no matter who you talk to. you cant put one branch ahead of the others.
the marines do have harder training but thats because they are usually in the more intense firefights. I just dont want to hear people put down other branches of the military. Ive been with my dad when he was a staff seargent. IVe been on the firing ranges with them. most of em could put a bullet in my head from 100 yds away too.
and faust Im pretty sure the marines were the first to have commisioned snipers, but Id have to check for you first. maybe Big Mo could enlighten us?
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
Originally posted by XSeaNX and lukeman I wasnt trying to down the marines, but you make it sound like the army's infantry are just a bunch of baboons running around with a gun they cant fire well.
Maybe not, but the Marines tend to think they are...
All branches of the millitary get alotof the same training. But some branches get more, better training that others. Rangers, SEALS, and other special ops get better weapons training. If it was true that every branchs was equal, then everyone would be ablke to fly a plain. That's simply not completely true.
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Originally posted by CiscoKid Maybe not, but the Marines tend to think they are...
All branches of the millitary get alotof the same training. But some branches get more, better training that others. Rangers, SEALS, and other special ops get better weapons training. If it was true that every branchs was equal, then everyone would be ablke to fly a plain. That's simply not completely true.
well I didnt mean equal in THAT sense
yeah I know what your saying. I dont doubt the skill of the marines, but they still arent the best of the best. SEALs yes...(but thats navy).
got a question though. arent SEALs actually from the marines or are they from the navy? I thought you had to prove your combat ability before you could even TRY the SEALs. Im probably wrong though
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
Originally posted by XSeaNX well I didnt mean equal in THAT sense
yeah I know what your saying. I dont doubt the skill of the marines, but they still arent the best of the best. SEALs yes...(but thats navy).
got a question though. arent SEALs actually from the marines or are they from the navy? I thought you had to prove your combat ability before you could even TRY the SEALs. Im probably wrong though
SEALS are Marines from what I understand. My dad had a chance to join the SEALS durring Vietnam, but he would have had to reup, which he didn't feel like doing. He had a chance to go in any of a dozen different paths had he stayed in.
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Originally posted by CiscoKid SEALS are Marines from what I understand. My dad had a chance to join the SEALS durring Vietnam, but he would have had to reup, which he didn't feel like doing. He had a chance to go in any of a dozen different paths had he stayed in.
SEALS are not Marines and would probably not want to be referred to as such. They do however, cross train with our Reconnaisnace Marines and both share much of the the same combat skills.
SEAL is an acronym for SEa, Air and Land. SEALs are qualified in diving, parachuting, and are experts at combat swimming, navigation, demolitions, weapons, and many other skills. SEALs operate in small units called platoons. In addition to the maritime environment, SEALs also train in the desert, the jungle, in cold weather, and in urban surroundings.
You certainly don't "join" the SEALS. The nomination and qualifications just to get a chance are as rigorous as any elite troop in the world.
All services have something to offer. Not everyone is cut out for elite units and many fail trying, hence "Elite".
When the Marines hit the town at night, the first ones they fight with are the Navy guys. However… if a bunch of Air Force guys walks in, the Marines and the Navy guys team up. If a bunch of Army guys walk in, then it’s everyone against the Army guys. That's not personal.
When in a combat role, all military brothers fight as one against the common enemy. It’s just during off hours that we fight with each other. (and I know a lot of Army and Air Force guys who can drink with me anytime).
They even think of recruiting me for that I'll be in Canada so fast thier heads will spin, thiers enough people volenteering to join the millitary, no one should feel obligated to.. if they reinstate the draft, I'm outa here.
Final words.......Sean, I never felt you were running down Marines, just a little uninformed. As for my felling toward the Army, they are slighted colored as my young brother was in the Army in the Long Range Recon which later became the Rangers, and was the a victim of friendly fire on his own perimeter with his own unit, which to this day causes him health problems. My father was in the Army in WWII as a paratrooper and was awarded the Bronze Star for service in the Phillipines. All sevices have their own good points, some just more than others.
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WHICH BRANCH OF THE MILITARY IS BEST?
A Soldier, a Sailor, an Airman, and a Marine got into an argument about which service was "the best". The arguing became so heated the four servicemen failed to see an oncoming truck. They were run over by the truck and killed instantly. Soon the four servicemen found themselves at the Pearly Gates of Heaven. There, they met Saint Peter and decided that only he could be the ultimate source of truth and honesty. So, the four servicemen asked him, "Saint Peter, which branch of the United States Armed Forces is the best?" Saint Peter replied, "I can't answer that. However, I will ask God what He thinks the next time I see Him. Meanwhile, thank you for your service on Earth and welcome to Heaven." Some time later the four servicemen see Saint Peter and remind him of the question they had asked when first entering Heaven. The four servicemen asked Saint Peter if he was able to find the answer. Suddenly, a sparkling white dove lands on Saint Peter's shoulder. In the dove's beak is a note glistening with gold dust. Saint Peter says to the four Servicemen, "Your answer from the Boss. Let's see what He says." Saint Peter opens the note, trumpets blare, gold dust drifts into the air, harps play crescendos, and Saint Peter begins to read the note aloud to the four Servicemen:
MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines
SUBJ: WHICH MILITARY SERVICE IS BEST
Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute and dedication. Be proud of that.
Sincerely,
GOD, USMC(Ret.)
They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake".
Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991
Originally posted by LukeMan Final words.......Sean, I never felt you were running down Marines, just a little uninformed. As for my felling toward the Army, they are slighted colored as my young brother was in the Army in the Long Range Recon which later became the Rangers, and was the a victim of friendly fire on his own perimeter with his own unit, which to this day causes him health problems. My father was in the Army in WWII as a paratrooper and was awarded the Bronze Star for service in the Phillipines. All sevices have their own good points, some just more than others.
Semper Fi!
WHICH BRANCH OF THE MILITARY IS BEST?
A Soldier, a Sailor, an Airman, and a Marine got into an argument about which service was "the best". The arguing became so heated the four servicemen failed to see an oncoming truck. They were run over by the truck and killed instantly. Soon the four servicemen found themselves at the Pearly Gates of Heaven. There, they met Saint Peter and decided that only he could be the ultimate source of truth and honesty. So, the four servicemen asked him, "Saint Peter, which branch of the United States Armed Forces is the best?" Saint Peter replied, "I can't answer that. However, I will ask God what He thinks the next time I see Him. Meanwhile, thank you for your service on Earth and welcome to Heaven." Some time later the four servicemen see Saint Peter and remind him of the question they had asked when first entering Heaven. The four servicemen asked Saint Peter if he was able to find the answer. Suddenly, a sparkling white dove lands on Saint Peter's shoulder. In the dove's beak is a note glistening with gold dust. Saint Peter says to the four Servicemen, "Your answer from the Boss. Let's see what He says." Saint Peter opens the note, trumpets blare, gold dust drifts into the air, harps play crescendos, and Saint Peter begins to read the note aloud to the four Servicemen:
MEMORANDUM FROM THE DESK OF THE ALMIGHTY ONE
TO: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines
SUBJ: WHICH MILITARY SERVICE IS BEST
Gentlemen, all branches of the United States Armed Forces are honorable and noble. Each serves America well and with distinction. Being a serviceman in the United States Military represents a special calling warranting special respect, tribute and dedication. Be proud of that.
Sincerely,
GOD, USMC(Ret.)
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Originally posted by YARDofSTUF this dude needs some pimpish SG title lol
) iraq plans.
