Vista 64-Bit OS has memory issue with office 2000

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:54 pm

I transferred my Office 2000 premium from my old dead PC to my new Inspiron 530. I was fiddling around with the features to see if everything works OK, when I found a curious problem. When I try to view the office assistant gallery, Vista complains "There is not enough memory to perform this". Not that I am a fan of the office assistant, but this just strikes me as odd.

But I have 4GB RAM installed out of which about 1GB is currently in use.

So what could be the problem? Is this a limit set by Vista on 32 bit apps? If so, is there a way to increase this limit?

Under task manager I see all 32 bit apps show as "virtualized". Is this some kind of 32 bit emulation engine?

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:29 pm

Have you installed all your Office updates? Although I haven't tried a version of Office that old on Vista.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:38 pm

Office 2000 works on Vista?

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:58 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Have you installed all your Office updates? Although I haven't tried a version of Office that old on Vista.

Yep. I did all the office 2000 updates from the windows update site. I have had Vista 64-bit for about a week now and have been fooling around with it.

Cabledude, yes office 2000 works under Vista 64. So far only Nero 7 refused to install. Slowly I have been trying to port stuff from my old PC to this one.

YOSC: How difficult is it to dual boot Win2K with Vista already installed? Is it better to wipe out Vista, install Win2k first and then re-install Vista? This way I can keep some old apps like Nero 7 which I have paid for and do not want to pay again for an upgrade to work under Vista. I can do most of my work under VIsta and when I need to burn some stuff on Nero (which is not tooo often), I can boot into W2K and do so.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:18 pm

http://www.imgburn.com/

http://cdburnerxp.se/

either of these are good free burning packages, if ya don't want to hassle with win2K

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:53 pm

Tried compatibility mode when installing and running?

For dual booting, I used to always do oldest OS first, newer OS next. Separate partitions.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:33 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Tried compatibility mode when installing and running?

For dual booting, I used to always do oldest OS first, newer OS next. Separate partitions.

Hi.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:18 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Tried compatibility mode when installing and running?

Yep. I set it in the properties to be "run in compatibility mode for Windows 2000". Word actually gave an error message that "office assistant cannot be started" and asked to repair the installation. Ditto for XP compatibility mode. Once I uncheck the compatibility mode, the assistant runs, but gives me the same memory error when I try to change the assistant. Weird. As an unemployed person, I hate to spend extra $$ to upgrade all my software. The inspiron 530 purchase itself has taken a nice bite out of my wallet.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:For dual booting, I used to always do oldest OS first, newer OS next. Separate partitions.

Thanks YOSC. Can you point out where I can get the "hit the F6 Key while installing win2k" driver for large SATA HD while installing? I would like to slipstream the latest service pack & the SATA controller driver into a bootable install cd using nlite and install win2k. I tried contacting Foxconn who make the DG33M03 motherboard on the Dell Inspiron 530, but they weren't able to help. They just pointed out to this URL, but I couldn't find my SATA controller version here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2101&OSFullName=Windows*+2000%E2%8C%A9=eng&strOSs=19&submit=Go!

In Device manager, I see the following SATA controllers for my system:

Intel(R) ICH9 Family 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 2 - 2926
Intel(R) ICH9R/DO/DH 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 1 - 2920

Not sure which one is for the HD though...

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:21 pm

Mark wrote:http://www.imgburn.com/

http://cdburnerxp.se/

either of these are good free burning packages, if ya don't want to hassle with win2K

Thanks Mark. Actually Dell provided a stripped down version of Roxio, but I have been so used to the Nero burning ROM interface that I find it harder to move away from it

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:12 am

neo960 wrote:
Thanks YOSC. Can you point out where I can get the "hit the F6 Key while installing win2k" driver for large SATA HD while installing? I would like to slipstream the latest service pack & the SATA controller driver into a bootable install cd using nlite and install win2k.

Might try number 3 there

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:41 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Might try number 3 there

Thanks!

I did not want to do anything without checking with an expert like you here. Now I can go ahead and try this out with some peace of mind.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:05 pm

I tried opening, modifying and saving test copies of my existing word documents and excel spreadsheets, and they work fine. So I think I am OK.

My suspicion regarding the office assistant us that, since it is a graphics app that opens like a popup window, the vista aero interface could have issues with it and produces the "out of memory" problem. In the compatibility mode I tried various options for the display and tested but they introduce different problems.

I think Office itself is fine and will read/write/save my documents based on my tests.

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:21 pm

If that PC is powerful enough, running win 2k in virtual PC might have been a better option. It would save you from rebooting into 2k just to run your legacy apps. Just something to think about if you decide to start over at some point.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:48 am

The Dude wrote:If that PC is powerful enough, running win 2k in virtual PC might have been a better option. It would save you from rebooting into 2k just to run your legacy apps. Just something to think about if you decide to start over at some point.

Intel Core2 processor Q8200 (2.33Ghz 1333FSB) w/Quad Core Technology and 4MB cache. 4GB DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz. Just enough to run Vista at the speed that I used to see Win2K and XP run under a 5 year old Pentium 4 processor with a 1GB ram setup for the past few years.

By the way, I am not sure Nero 7 will work in virtual PC. I probably should either dual boot, or I will set up a separate HD to boot W2K alone and switch the boot sequence at startup as needed.

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:33 am

Go with what works for you.

I was just thinking that if it works in a virtual PC it may be easier to setup than a dual boot. If it doesn't work its easy to delete the virtual PC and move on. A lot easier than undoing a dual boot. Two hard drives sounds like a good idea, especially if you can just hit a key during the post to switch boot options. My BIOS lets me do that and it comes in handy when I want to test a bootable disk or thumb drive.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:34 pm

I tried installing Win2K SP4 in a 2nd HD ( I disconnected the Vista drive before this) from the W2K Pro CD. The Install program went through all the way and then came to the point where it reboots the machine. But after the reboot, the screen just kept blank and nothing happened. The PC was on, the monitor was on (did not go to sleep) but no HD activity, nothing. Just a black blank screen. I let it on like this for 15 minutes, and still nothing. What could be the reason for this?

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:05 am

Recheck your boot options in the BIOS. Make sure you selected the correct drive. I was scratching my head with a similar problem until I realized my first IDE hard drive was HDD0 not HDD1. I had set it to boot to HDD1 by mistake.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:42 pm

The Dude wrote:Recheck your boot options in the BIOS. Make sure you selected the correct drive. I was scratching my head with a similar problem until I realized my first IDE hard drive was HDD0 not HDD1. I had set it to boot to HDD1 by mistake.

I had hit F12 and selected the boot device to be the HD I was installing win2k on. Still the same thing.

Could it be that the setup does not have the right display drivers to show the screen after the reboot? I have slipstreamed SP4, SATA drivers and the Intel chipset drivers for my mobo into the win2k install CD using nLite, but I am not able to slipstream the graphics driver as it is an executable and the driver/inf files cannot be extracted from it. I tried to use the service pack slipstream option to slipstream the graphics driver executable in, but it did not help either....

So could it be possible that w2k cannot be installed on new quad core systems?

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:26 pm

If you hit F8 to get you to the safe mode option screen, one of the options should be VGA mode. That will load the basic VGA driver windows uses during the install instead of any driver you may have installed. Try it or safe mode and see if you can then get to your desktop. If you can then it probably is a driver problem.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:29 pm

The Dude wrote:If you hit F8 to get you to the safe mode option screen, one of the options should be VGA mode. That will load the basic VGA driver windows uses during the install instead of any driver you may have installed. Try it or safe mode and see if you can then get to your desktop. If you can then it probably is a driver problem.

Thanks dude. Let me try that and see if it works. My system is from Dell by the way.

Mad_Haggis · Post by **Mad_Haggis** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:16 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Tried compatibility mode when installing and running?

For dual booting, I used to always do oldest OS first, newer OS next. Separate partitions.

Compatibility mode is a sham! When trying to run really old programs.

Now DosBox might work. I used to use it with XP. I'm new to Vista Ultimate 64 bit as well. Have not got around to trying it yet.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:38 pm

The Dude wrote:If you hit F8 to get you to the safe mode option screen, one of the options should be VGA mode. That will load the basic VGA driver windows uses during the install instead of any driver you may have installed. Try it or safe mode and see if you can then get to your desktop. If you can then it probably is a driver problem.

I cleaned out all the partitions in the drive, freshly formatted from a DOS boot disk, and reinstalled W2K again. It gave me "bat boot.ini, NTDETECT.com invalid" messages a couple of times but I kept retrying the install a few more times and finally got it to install and boot uo as well. I managed to download all the latest drivers for the rig from Dell & Intel & Realtek and now I am in business. I installed Nero and other apps that will not work on Vista in the W2K drive. Now I do most of my work on Vista, but on the rare occasions I need to burn a disk or something like that I switch to W2K.

neo960 · Post by **neo960** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:39 pm

Mad_Haggis wrote:Compatibility mode is a sham! When trying to run really old programs.

Now DosBox might work. I used to use it with XP. I'm new to Vista Ultimate 64 bit as well. Have not got around to trying it yet.

Dosbox is something I wanted to try out on Vista 64. Let me know how it works out for you.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:27 am

It isn't your computer, others experience it, it is probably an incompatibility with Office 2000 in Vista.

http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/asp ... in-of.aspx

Here is a possible Solution

http://uksbsguy.com/blogs/doverton/arch ... sages.aspx