Bush administration 'secretly plans air strikes' as it seeks regime change in Iran

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:35 am

rivas wrote:No,but i have europien union passport and Canadian as well and i can see what is happening.If i have american flag on my backpack ,doesnt matter in which country i will be beaten up badly,if i do have Canadian (i always do ! ) everyone just shakes my hand and ask me in what province do i live
I'm proud to be Canadian,we are great nation
World opinion is changing i bet you havent been behind your tree hills seems like.

Spent 20+ years traveling the entire globe from rich nations to stick huts. Even with a uniform on, we were usually greeted with a smile. There were difference of political opinons yes, especially in Europe, but not as extreme as you might lead folks to believe. I saw more humanitarian work done by US citizens than I could even begin to remember. It's tough being in the position of the US, but the way I see it, luke warm water gets spit out!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:21 am

rivas wrote:If i have american flag on my backpack ,doesnt matter in which country i will be beaten up badly,

LMMFAO! You're so full of chit dude!!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:09 am

Jim wrote:Somehow I doubt the differences are that extreme, even in many of the countries that "hate" the US.

*whistles innocently*

his statement is just silly.....I've been to a number of different countries courtesy of my uncle....and this is not the case ...I think Rivas hates 'us' more than he claims others do....

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:35 pm

I work for a multinational company for almost 7 years now - over the past 3 years or so I would say things have shifted towards teh direction Rivas suggests, tho not so extreme.

Most euros know a yank can beat their ass if it comes to it (assuming we're not at a football/soccer game

, or in the middle of labor law protests

)

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:37 pm

[quote="rivas"]well did you capture bin laden ?
Iraq or iran had nothing to do with it.But you invaded iraq because of WOMD then it was liberization ..and now ..uhm ...what is it now ? You are fools and whole world is laughing from you.We believe in peace keeping not police keeping ]

The world is NOT laughing. If you prefer generalizations, I would say that the world is scared.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:10 pm

Izzo wrote:his statement is just silly.....I've been to a number of different countries courtesy of my uncle....and this is not the case ...I think Rivas hates 'us' more than he claims others do....

i think hate is very strong word/feeling
you did nothing to me,or my family,i dont live in middle eastern country why should i hate you silly boy?
and maybe my words were too strong but like cyberskye said its going that direction anyway.
bigmo66 you missenderstood me,and i didnt say it clear enough,i ment since bush is in office the world opinion is changing rapidly.Of course it was different 20 years ago ....but everything is changing.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:16 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:The world is NOT laughing. If you prefer generalizations, I would say that the world is scared.

yes the civilians where you are droping bombs are scared,you are right.
Scared too,yes,but there is not gonna be winner.

David · Post by **David** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:36 pm

rivas wrote:yes the civilians where you are droping bombs are scared,you are right.
Scared too,yes,but there is not gonna be winner.

"You" as in "me"? No, I am not dropping any bombs.

There are winners, though they are not the "good guys"

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:58 pm

Izzo wrote:his statement is just silly.....I've been to a number of different countries courtesy of my uncle....and this is not the case ...I think Rivas hates 'us' more than he claims others do....

I dunno Izz on sites with foreigners they are pretty anti-american 100% especially the past couple of weeks.

Pie

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:59 pm

I'm anti-terrorist.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:09 pm

Hell_Yes wrote:"You" as in "me"? No, I am not dropping any bombs.

There are winners, though they are not the "good guys"

In nuclear war there is gonna be a winner ?
I dont think so ...well ..to be honest i dont know,i have no clue.
Bro i know you are not droping any bombs,you are one of the best guys i ever met.I salut you and im not kidding.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:17 pm

thepieman wrote:I dunno Izz on sites with foreigners they are pretty anti-american 100% especially the past couple of weeks.

Pie

well i said before pretty "very" anti american because "few" americans were beaten up in Whistler here in Canada just because for who they are.I dont agree with it

When i was calling my mom in Europe last week she told me there are some big issues happening and police investigations because american students are beaten up in pubs or public transits.
And he told me 20 years ago ....DUH ...it was 20 years ago !!!
When i mentioned it here ,i'm a hater and i hate every us citizen lol,izzo gimme a break

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:21 pm

Brent wrote:I'm anti-terrorist.

but what goes around comes around

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:28 pm

rivas wrote:

but what goes around comes around

so what you are saying is sit back and do nothing?

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:54 pm

Brent wrote:so what you are saying is sit back and do nothing?

just leave everyone alone,dont push them to do something what they dont wanna do,and people will forget all the mistakes in awhile.This conversation is really not gonna solve anything,you think i'm the bad guy well if you think so ,be it,i cant change your opinion over the internet .
I'm not anti terrorist specialist or messiah i dont know what to do,im just simple guy like all of you.But .....you know what its not worth it,i dont wanna fight here or argue with you it was bad idea to enter this thread.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:56 pm

Brent wrote:I'm anti-terrorist.

You wouldn't know a terrorist from a hole in the wall. You only know what you are told and thats about it.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:16 pm

rivas wrote:just leave everyone alone,dont push them to do something what they dont wanna do,and people will forget all the mistakes in awhile.This conversation is really not gonna solve anything,you think i'm the bad guy well if you think so ,be it,i cant change your opinion over the internet .
I'm not anti terrorist specialist or messiah i dont know what to do,im just simple guy like all of you.But .....you know what its not worth it,i dont wanna fight here or argue with you it was bad idea to enter this thread.

You made a very prejudiced statement - you should expect that any one of the 300mil+ citizens of the US might take afront to being thought of a single entity.

I sincerely doubt that anyone on these boards does any of the things you mention. People are mad at our gov't and take it out on us - so expect some hostile responses.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:22 pm

cyberskye wrote:You made a very prejudiced statement - you should expect that any one of the 300mil+ citizens of the US might take afront to being thought of a single entity.

I sincerely doubt that anyone on these boards does any of the things you mention. People are mad at our gov't and take it out on us - so expect some hostile responses.

i know

of course they dont but can you imagine Brent or Prey sitting in front of Nuke button you think they are not gonna press it ?

you elected the government hehe

ok im not gonna say a word anymore

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:24 pm

rivas wrote:i know
of course they dont but can you imagine Brent or Prey sitting in front of Nuke button you think they are not gonna press it ?
you elected the government hehe

ok im not gonna say a word anymore

I elected none of those fools, but the 'enlightened' of Canada, EU and elsewhere will lump me in all the same.

Not very enlightened - which goes back to David's statement, "Irrationality out of fear"

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:52 pm

rivas wrote:bigmo66 you missenderstood me,and i didnt say it clear enough,i ment since bush is in office the world opinion is changing rapidly.Of course it was different 20 years ago ....but everything is changing.

I was in the Marines for over 20 years, but I wasn't talking about 20 years a go. My time spanned from a newly elected Reagan to the current Bush. People thought Reagan was a war-monger then the same as they think of Bush now. The whole world is changing. Unfortunately we have to change along with it.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:20 pm

bigmo66 wrote:I was in the Marines for over 20 years, but I wasn't talking about 20 years a go. My time spanned from a newly elected Reagan to the current Bush. People thought Reagan was a war-monger then the same as they think of Bush now. The whole world is changing. Unfortunately we have to change along with it.

I don't recall that much from that age, but did people back then actually think of Reagan with the same vile and hatred that people today feel for G'Dubs?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:25 pm

Prey521 wrote:I don't recall that much from that age, but did people back then actually think of Reagan with the same vile and hatred that people today feel for G'Dubs?

Not at all. Reagan was a pretty popular president. Here and abroad. The Germans loved him.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:54 pm

Prey521 wrote:I don't recall that much from that age, but did people back then actually think of Reagan with the same vile and hatred that people today feel for G'Dubs?

Depends with whom you spoke. I was in Norway for almost 2 months and the younger generation (20s-30s) thought of him as a president who just wanted to dominate other countries. I was also in Hussum, Germany for a month and it was somewhat the same, but a bit less vocal. In 1986 I participated in a massive NATO excersize that included stays in Norway, Denmark, Germany and Italy. We trained with troops from dozens of different countries and most didn't show an absolute hatred for us, but thought of us as arrogant and dominating. When you carry a big stick you better know how to use it or someone will take it away.

The world has changed and there are those that are focusing their hatred directly at us. Look what Moussaoui said today. He relished the thought of killing any and all Americans and it "Make his day" to see folks suffering. How do you combat a religious themed hatred like that? (please don't bring up the Crusades because that was a few weeks before our time! and irrelevant.)

These whiny, spineless, pukes that spit on their own flag and think we should throw down our arms completely are just plain ignorant. Do they think Bin Laden will invite them over for dinner and a round of Kum By Allah

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:02 pm

"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is but the beginning of the birth-pangs." - (Matthew 24:3-8)

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:03 pm

Brent wrote:"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars]

Wordlife!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:38 pm

Prey521 wrote: Wordlife!

Oh, what's that I hear from the gathering Peanut Gallery? "Don't give us that Jesus Crap!" "Bush is the Devil, Bush is the Devil".....

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:50 pm

bigmo66 wrote:Oh, what's that I hear from the gathering Peanut Gallery? "Don't give us that Jesus Crap!" "Bush is the Devil, Bush is the Devil".....

Oh come on now, bigmoe. The two subjects are really unrelated in context aren't they? Can't you be a Christian and not support Bush?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:53 pm

downhill wrote:Oh come on now, bigmoe. The two subjects are really unrelated in context aren't they? Can't you be a Christian and not support Bush?

But as a Christian, he MUST support Bush, homosexuality is a sin, remember?

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:57 pm

downhill wrote:Oh come on now, bigmoe. The two subjects are really unrelated in context aren't they? Can't you be a Christian and not support Bush?

Who says I support Bush? I leave that to these

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:58 pm

I see some slight camel toe............NOW this thread is interesting!

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:03 pm

Prey521 wrote:I see some slight camel toe............NOW this thread is interesting!

Ooh, you are going to Hell infidel! Don't you know that insulting a camel is punishable by death. Now making love to it is a differnet story

Oh Maddoc....

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:44 pm

downhill wrote:Not at all. Reagan was a pretty popular president. Here and abroad. The Germans loved him.

Reagan was seen as the one who ended the cold war - there was a clear and present danger from a known enemy. He ran huge deficits in order to bankrupt the USSR. It worked.

In dubya's case, there is certainly someone somewhere that hates us, but much like the war on drugs can the war on terrorism ever be won? We are bankrupting the country (look at teh deficit) to fight a war with no path to victory. Will a stable Iraq win this war? Of course not.

In the war on drugs we sought to put people in jails for the rest of their life. In the war on terror we are using the military. Notice we have not won either - and I don't think the military will win the war on terror.

As they say - hearts n minds. You need to remove the fuel before trying to extinguish the flames or they'll just keep coming back...

Reaganites (like my father - one of the most diehard you'll ever meet) think dubya is shooting us in hte collective foot. Hence the term 'neocon' - he doesn't fit as a conservative - too financially involved and WAY too big-brotehr for old school conservatives.

Brk · Post by **Brk** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:35 pm

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060419/46622413.html

Oh yes, our good Vodka buddies...

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:38 pm

We should nuke Russia as well

Anyone who does not help us deserves to get blown off the map

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:51 pm

This should be your avatar Brent

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:09 pm

Brent wrote:We should nuke Russia as well

Anyone who does not help us deserves to get blown off the map

can you even see the fact that you are no different than Iranian President?

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:52 am

Izzo wrote:can you even see the fact that you are no different than Iranian President?

He's just trolling - enjoy the humor, don't try and reason with it

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:41 am

Brent wrote:We should nuke Russia as well

Anyone who does not help us deserves to get blown off the map

For someone who was just mourning a Uncle's death, due to war, you sure want to see someone else suffer.

Jada · Post by **Jada** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:55 am

Brent wrote:We should nuke Russia as well

Anyone who does not help us deserves to get blown off the map

Do you even know what your saying, and how bad it looks?

So you want to go and nuke Russia because they deserves to get blown off the map, do you not understand by doing this your country would become dust

but thats ok because they will be turned to dust aswell right?

Just for info Russia has as many if not more nuke weapons then the USA.

One more thing (Don't quote the Bible you give it a bad name.)

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:47 pm

i am with Brent...when someone says they plan on killing you...that is good enough to wipe them out...

lets nuke iran instead of waiting for another Hitler

people have become way too complacent nowadays..and forget 9-11 so soon...what else we need to wake us ourselves up?