Ubuntu Thread!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:43 pm

Ok looking at their site, what is the difference between Ubuntu on CD and Kubuntu on DVD?

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:09 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Ok looking at their site, what is the difference between Ubuntu on CD and Kubuntu on DVD?

Ubuntu is gnome desktop and Kubuntu is KDE desktop

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:30 pm

Sid wrote:Ubuntu is gnome desktop and Kubuntu is KDE desktop

as default I assume ?... I know Mandriva installs KDE as default but includes Gnome and a few others.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:36 pm

Kubuntu just has KDE on it and Ubuntu just has Gnome. Ubuntu can be had on one single cd while Kubuntu is 2 or 3 cds.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:38 pm

Oh, if you're going to install just to play then try the Dapper Drake flight 5 install. It's beta but seems to work well for me so far.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:07 pm

Sid wrote:Ubuntu is gnome desktop and Kubuntu is KDE desktop

K Dled the Ubuntu iso, you were right servers are fast.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:20 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:K Dled the Ubuntu iso, you were right servers are fast.

You gonna install it?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:23 pm

Sid wrote:You gonna install it?

Nah, I just wanna fill up my hard drive

Ya, made a partition, gonna install x64 version, see how well it likes my hardware.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:39 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Nah, I just wanna fill up my hard drive

Ya, made a partition, gonna install x64 version, see how well it likes my hardware.

Wasn't sure with the comment "because its free".

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:45 pm

Sid wrote:Wasn't sure with the comment "because its free".

Oh ya, planned to use it, I liked suse, gonna give this a shot. Come back here often, I should have issues

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:56 pm

Tada! First problem:

Partition Disks

I have raid installed and it finds it ok, but it watns to erase my partitions or resize them, or edit manually. I want it to use whats there already.

EDIT: No it only sees my 250 gig data drive, no array.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:09 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Tada! First problem:

Partition Disks

I have raid installed and it finds it ok, but it watns to erase my partitions or resize them, or edit manually. I want it to use whats there already.

EDIT: No it only sees my 250 gig data drive, no array.

Give it some unpartitioned free space on the drive.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:25 pm

Sid wrote:Give it some unpartitioned free space on the drive.

Doesnt see the drive. just the 250 gig.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:36 pm

I get this from Areca on linux drivers:

ftp://60.248.88.208/RaidCards/AP_Drivers/Linux/DRIVER

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:51 pm

Gonna take someone better then me to figure it out.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:31 am

Would the x86 version work on a 64bit AMD?

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:57 am

Doubt that mobo raid (which is really sw raid) will work under any linux distro - definitely not as bootable.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:57 am

You could problably get it to work but you would have to either build it into the kernel or add it as a module then add something in the init.rd. Like I said, I'm kinda new at this but I would think it is possible seeing how the do have the drivers for it.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:11 am

Sid wrote:You could problably get it to work but you would have to either build it into the kernel or add it as a module then add something in the init.rd. Like I said, I'm kinda new at this but I would think it is possible seeing how the do have the drivers for it.

I am sure it's possible, but you need to keep the perspective that it is sw raid - meaning the main cpu does all calculations, not the raid hw. You'll need to create the partions as a raid-type and that will delete everything on them. I assume you are planning on dualbooting - something you do not want to try if both OSs are meant to boot from the array.

HW raid cards cost several hundred bucks and most of them run fine under any flavor of unix.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:18 am

cyberskye wrote:I am sure it's possible, but you need to keep the perspective that it is sw raid - meaning the main cpu does all calculations, not the raid hw. You'll need to create the partions as a raid-type and that will delete everything on them. I assume you are planning on dualbooting - something you do not want to try if both OSs are meant to boot from the array.

HW raid cards cost several hundred bucks and most of them run fine under any flavor of unix.

Good point.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:31 am

cyberskye wrote:I am sure it's possible, but you need to keep the perspective that it is sw raid - meaning the main cpu does all calculations, not the raid hw. You'll need to create the partions as a raid-type and that will delete everything on them. I assume you are planning on dualbooting - something you do not want to try if both OSs are meant to boot from the array.

HW raid cards cost several hundred bucks and most of them run fine under any flavor of unix.

I'm not running software raid, I posted a link to my cards linux drivers, its a hardware raid.

The card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6816131003

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:25 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:I'm not running software raid, I posted a link to my cards linux drivers, its a hardware raid.

The card:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6816131003

Gotcha - would recommend that you install / to a non-raid disk. Otherwise, you'll need to create a custom kernel with the driver patched in (by installing to the non-raid disk) then creating your partitions and moving filesystems around. Realy messy especially if/when you have to update the kernel.

I have HW raid on two of my nix boxes - I don't put / on either.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:48 pm

The card looks like its supported for quite some time(google searches).

http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html

Might just need to pass some commands at boot to get it to see it.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:16 pm

cyberskye wrote:I have HW raid on two of my nix boxes - I don't put / on either.

Why is that?

If I cant get it on my array, i cant run it on this system. have a spare raptor i can throw in my P4 box though.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:23 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Why is that?

If I cant get it on my array, i cant run it on this system. have a spare raptor i can throw in my P4 box though.

A best practice - singleuser mode doesn't load userland drivers - if something goes wrong, you may not be able to boot to teh array - also an additional point of failure in the card itself. If it or the pci slot goes you won't be able to boot and it isn't as simple as pulling off one of the drives and connecting to onboard controller.

Then again, I come from the Solaris/BSD worlds - Linux is much kinder in terms of HW support, so honestly it may not apply

Personally, I like to keep each OS on it's own disk.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:32 pm

Logical Volume Manager, I can play around in there, asks about deleting or resizing partitions, I dont see an option to select a drive though.

Guess I'll load up the other raptor.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:40 am

CDs came today

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:54 pm

Currently installing on a different, x86 system.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:25 pm

So what do I do to get a task manager like view, wanna see if its seeing my HT as 2 cpus.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:31 pm

Ok found system monitor, only shows 1 cpu.

Also the linux F@H wont install, cant display location it says.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:16 am

Ok, the single cpu problem was that ubuntu doesnt install smp kernel by defualt, apt-get fixed that pretty easy once some people at [H] dumbed it down enough, got my HT running great.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:39 pm

Tried the live CD for a short time today.

gruven · Post by **gruven** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:40 am

I don't post much, but I run pure Debian Unstable on this box, and ubuntu on the rest of the computers in my house. No windows here.

I will help out where I can. It is always nice to see someone trying out linux.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:00 am

Posting from Ubuntu installed on the HD

It's really slow. Maybe the HD is going bad.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:58 am

CableDude wrote:It's really slow. Maybe the HD is going bad.

I was asking about linux performance on [H], they mentioned the biggest difference in performance would be from a kernel not really tweaked for the system, like the default one installed for best compatability.

I thought that after I updated to the 2.6 smp kernel it was faster because of the smp option being enabled, but It may manage stuff better or aptget knoes the hardware better after the install, dunno.

gruven · Post by **gruven** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:23 pm

CableDude wrote:Posting from Ubuntu installed on the HD

It's really slow. Maybe the HD is going bad.

A 686 optimized kernel would probably help things out, and the accelerated video drivers for you video card would make it a LOT faster. Another thing would be to turn off IPV6 in Firefox.

All of those things would make your hard drive install about 50% faster. Ubuntu gives you the default install for compatibility, and it is up to you to optimize it.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:28 am

Ubuntu is really nice..impressed with it so far..like it better then fedora but that is because always preferred debian

on my new machine at work getting ATI cards to recognize dual display what a real pain that was though, finally got it and works great

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:41 am

Ghosthunter wrote: on my new machine at work getting ATI cards to recognize dual display what a real pain that was though, finally got it and works great

Well at least it's working. ATI isn't the best for nix, but it is getting better. It's about time for me to update my drivers on the lappy with the newer version.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:48 am

Sid wrote:Well at least it's working. ATI isn't the best for nix, but it is getting better. It's about time for me to update my drivers on the lappy with the newer version.

ati finally came out with a properteriary driver that worked for me

I am using 8.24.8

but these just came out havent tested it yet

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/ ... tml#172579

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:25 pm

Yeah, me too