Started school, Have a good teacher!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:08 pm

My teacher is a crazy dude, very animated and entertaining. The director of the computer networking classes is the most boring person with a Ben Stein like tone/voice, he also teaches nights.

Gonna get our own systems to work on, install XP, customize the look how we want, run what we want(F@H

) just no porn on the desktop and no games, but then he says he wont do anyhting if we play games, as long as we dont distract others, but I didnt empy my bank account to play video games, and I dont expect to have much time to.

He jumped around explaining IP, TCP/IP, DNS, Binary, hexadecimal, getting past the school firewall

and then basic PC to router to modem layout.

Never paid any attention to Binary, hexadecimal, or what TCP/IP stood for and how IP addresses did there thing, or what different IP classes meant. With what I know about PCs this course is still gonna be tough, but I should leanr a ton, or fail hard. LOL

He was explaining how to get to a site that it blocked on the firewall while we were talking about binary and hexadecimal, but I cant make that work, not even fully sure of what he is saying.

I took SG's IP - 63.217.30.70 and converted each group to binary and hexadecimal, tried putting them into the browser alot of ways, but it didnt work. Help?

Spammy · Post by **Spammy** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:14 pm

Congrads on going to School, and sorry for having no solution to your problem.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:20 pm

Hey YoS

Have fun..welcome to world of IT...a very fun and rewarding world...as well as many late nights..LOL

as far as what he talking about..i dont understand what he wants you to do exactly.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:23 pm

Got it. 63.217.30.70 = 0x3FD91E46 Hex, now why when I convert each number on its own, 63, 217, 30, 70, does it come up 3FD91E46. Where does that 0x come in?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:26 pm

I want your instructor. Started my Linux2 and XHTML classes .... I was wondering if you really started on MLK day .... strange.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:28 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Got it. 63.217.30.70 = 0x3FD91E46 Hex, now why when I convert each number on its own, 63, 217, 30, 70, does it come up 3FD91E46. Where does that 0x come in?

0x is to represent that it in hexadecimal format, for example it not really a 3, but 3F which = 63

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:45 pm

Augustus wrote:0x is to represent that it in hexadecimal format, for example it not really a 3, but 3F which = 63

Cool!

Once Im up and running at school SG's port scanner will be handy, and I can run Gaim too lol

Lefty · Post by **Lefty** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:46 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:but I should leanr a ton

Congrats on school, one question though, when does he get to spell checking

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:51 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Got it. 63.217.30.70 = 0x3FD91E46 Hex, now why when I convert each number on its own, 63, 217, 30, 70, does it come up 3FD91E46. Where does that 0x come in?

I know there is a site to determine the IP address for a URL ...is there an easier way?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:54 pm

Izzo wrote:I know there is a site to determine the IP address for a URL ...is there an easier way?

I found this:

http://www.searchlores.org/zipped/urlcalc.zip

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:57 pm

But the hex way around a firewall isnt as great if you go to click links, because then it goes back to whatever IP or .com name the site has, so the firewall blocks it.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:15 pm

Weeeee....Networking! That'll get ya no-where!

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:20 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Weeeee....Networking! That'll get ya no-where!

Already at nowhere..so it's gotta lead somewhere

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:21 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Weeeee....Networking! That'll get ya no-where!

Hopefully nowhere is better than nightshift at a warehouse

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:22 pm

Lefty wrote:Congrats on school, one question though, when does he get to spell checking

We build our systems wednesday. He's just as bad at spelling

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:23 pm

<<<<clears throat>>>>

Discussions describing methods to circumvent a network's security measures are not condoned on this site.

You shall be banned and deported back to Kashyyk at once!

j/k.. Good luck with school dude.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:54 pm

[url]http://%77%77%77%2E%6B%61%72%65%6E%77%61%72%65%2E%63%6F%6D%2F%70%6F%77%65%72%74%6F%6F%6C%73%2F%70%74%6C%6F%6F%6B%75%70%2E%61%73%70[/url]

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:56 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Hopefully nowhere is better than nightshift at a warehouse

Just kidding! Get into Small Business networking...it's very lucrative!

chimdogger · Post by **chimdogger** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:07 pm

What School?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:20 pm

chimdogger wrote:What School?

Porter and Chester

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:23 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Just kidding! Get into Small Business networking...it's very lucrative!

On a serious note.

With a A+, Security+, and an MCP cert for XP Pro, what would you think someone could get? My teacher says most people usually start at phone support(yuck!).

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:28 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:On a serious note.

With a A+, Security+, and an MCP cert for XP Pro, what would you think someone could get? My teacher says most people usually start at phone support(yuck!).

with no experience..yeah phone or 1st level desktop support...probably have to do that for 2 years or so, then move onto a better job.

moneywise...hard to say in NY no less then 30K for phone up to around 40-50K with some exp

Hint: IMO best field to go is Cisco route...very good money..technology changes but nowhere like the desktop and server and once you have the basics down real easy to apply to newer devices

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:33 pm

Augustus wrote:with no experience..yeah phone or 1st level desktop support...probably have to do that for 2 years or so, then move onto a better job.

moneywise...hard to say in NY no less then 30K for phone up to around 40-50K with some exp

Hint: IMO best field to go is Cisco route...very good money..technology changes but nowhere like the desktop and server and once you have the basics down real easy to apply to newer devices

Cisco as in certs for continued education, or for a job? I was thinking about a CCNA or a windows server of some sort after this.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:37 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Cisco as in certs for continued education, or for a job? I was thinking about a CCNA or a windows server of some sort after this.

Both cert and or job..since no experience you probably will need the Cisco certs to get a foot in the door as say 1st level network...Cisco Certs are among the most respected because they are really difficult compared to others. Though i will say MS has gotten tougher over the years...problem is so many have you need something else to stand out.

Then again you have to find something you want to do that you enjoy.

Linux is also getting very huge now in the business world and not as many have the expertise compared to say windows.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:42 pm

Well after getting these I'm gonna try to get my foot in the door anywhere that will pay at least something towards school and has good room for people to grow. Wont be worrying so much about pay.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:56 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:On a serious note.

With a A+, Security+, and an MCP cert for XP Pro, what would you think someone could get? My teacher says most people usually start at phone support(yuck!).

Phone Support? Heck no, just find a place that caters to installing/supporting networks for offices 'n small businesses. There's PLENTY of them out there. They'll usually train on the job, "hands on" is what counts here, not certs. Sure you'll work under a senior network guy for a while, til you prove your stuff. But this area is where the high demand is.

Drive up and down the street...look at all the businesses. Every office you drive by...no matter what kind of business there are...there are computers inside, usually networked together. Oodles of them out there. Law firms, accounting firms, dentists, various non-profit orgs, real estate, contractors/construction, art gallerys, all sorts of levels of service places,..just..any type of business you can think of, they have a computer need. It's a market that's ripe for the picking, and the more lucrative ones are the ones with 10 - 50 or so workstations, and a server or two. "Small Business Server" networks.

I have more work coming to me than I can handle. It's that fat of a market out there.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:01 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Phone Support? Heck no, just find a place that caters to installing/supporting networks for offices 'n small businesses. There's PLENTY of them out there. They'll usually train on the job, "hands on" is what counts here, not certs. Sure you'll work under a senior network guy for a while, til you prove your stuff. But this area is where the high demand is.

Drive up and down the street...look at all the businesses. Every office you drive by...no matter what kind of business there are...there are computers inside, usually networked together. Oodles of them out there. Law firms, accounting firms, dentists, various non-profit orgs, real estate, contractors/construction, art gallerys, all sorts of levels of service places,..just..any type of business you can think of, they have a computer need. It's a market that's ripe for the picking, and the more lucrative ones are the ones with 10 - 50 or so workstations, and a server or two. "Small Business Server" networks. I have more work coming to me than I can handle. It's that fat of a market out there.

Good to hear

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:07 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:Well after getting these I'm gonna try to get my foot in the door anywhere that will pay at least something towards school and has good room for people to grow. Wont be worrying so much about pay.

Exactly

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:08 pm

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Phone Support? Heck no, just find a place that caters to installing/supporting networks for offices 'n small businesses. There's PLENTY of them out there. They'll usually train on the job, "hands on" is what counts here, not certs. Sure you'll work under a senior network guy for a while, til you prove your stuff. But this area is where the high demand is.

Drive up and down the street...look at all the businesses. Every office you drive by...no matter what kind of business there are...there are computers inside, usually networked together. Oodles of them out there. Law firms, accounting firms, dentists, various non-profit orgs, real estate, contractors/construction, art gallerys, all sorts of levels of service places,..just..any type of business you can think of, they have a computer need. It's a market that's ripe for the picking, and the more lucrative ones are the ones with 10 - 50 or so workstations, and a server or two. "Small Business Server" networks. I have more work coming to me than I can handle. It's that fat of a market out there.

I need this more than oxygen at this point.

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:10 pm

YOSC got the expertise when it comes to small businesses.

So you see you got a lot of choices out there...biggest thing is getting your foot in the door, work your butt off..and learn as much as you can..oh btw there are no unions in IT..or none i know of..LOL =)

In the beginning I went from one company to another as a consultant in 2 years i got a lot of experience and how i was able to get better positions.

ScottE · Post by **ScottE** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:11 pm

Number bases rule.

CableDude · Post by **CableDude** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:14 pm

Augustus wrote:Hey YoS

Have fun..welcome to world of IT...a very fun and rewarding world...

Not for me.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:22 pm

[quote="Cabledude"]Not for me.

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I hope it does pay off ... in the end i'll have a lot invested in this endeavor.

Good luck YoS

and WTF is a number base???

AAF Striker · Post by **AAF Striker** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:16 pm

I am in CCNA 3 right now. I will finish the 4th semester in the spring and then I am going to take my test to get certified. I should have my degree in network administartion at the end of next winter semester. All of the admin classes; Windows Sever, Novell Netware, UNIX... etc mke my head hurt lol. The more basic classes are easier (obviously) But the specific ones can be pretty intensive. Have loads of fun with subnetting

(if you go the network route) I think they need to keep pusing back IPv6, it does not seem like it is going to be fun at all.... They keep pusing it back, which is good, but eventually they won't be able to push it back...

Blisster · Post by **Blisster** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:28 am

I'm in CCNA 3 as well. I read somewhere that the expected adoption date for IPv6 is somewhere around 2012, and they expect to completely phase IPv4 out by 2025.

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:05 am

I never worked phone support in a call center, although I have supported the phone systems of call centers.

My resume & certs never got me a job.

I've been passing out my business card since I was 17 and the constant flow of people that I have met over the years have helped my career more than anything. "Networking" with other people is a fountain of opportunity.

I view certifications as personal goals and good tools for updating and sharpening skills that I am usually already exercising in the real world.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:43 am

koldchillah wrote:I never worked phone support in a call center, although I have supported the phone systems of call centers.

My resume & certs never got me a job.

I've been passing out my business card since I was 17 and the constant flow of people that I have met over the years have helped my career more than anything. "Networking" with other people is a fountain of opportunity.

I view certifications as personal goals and good tools for updating and sharpening skills that I am usually already exercising in the real world.

Well I need them to complete my skills so I know what I'm doing in the business world. And hopefully a good resume and interview will land me a job.

Post by **YeOldeStonecat** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:22 am

koldchillah wrote:
I've been passing out my business card since I was 17 and the constant flow of people that I have met over the years have helped my career more than anything. "Networking" with other people is a fountain of opportunity.

Word of mouth rules!

It's a slow and steady built...gotta put in your dues at first for the first year or so.

koldchillah · Post by **koldchillah** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:48 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Well I need them to complete my skills so I know what I'm doing in the business world. And hopefully a good resume and interview will land me a job.

absolutely.. I'm constantly taking classes as a non-degree seeker and trying to pick up more skills and I'll probably be working on adding/maintaining certs for the rest of my career.

I wasn't tryin' to sound all "anti-certs" or anything, I'm just sayin' I think you're probably quite capable of fixing computers already. You don't have to wait until you finish school and certs and have a nice resume to start gaining valuable experience. Even if you don't go out and get an official job right away, having some cards to pass out and taking on little housecalls in your spare time really helps. Like Stonecat said, you have to pay your dues at first, but its a nice thing to have going on the side, even later on when your career is in motion.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:00 pm

Well its only day 2 and there have been 5 "lvl 99" jokes written on the board by other students. I'm hoping that gets old fast.