Where is Casey Sheehan's headstone?

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:00 am

If Cindy Sheehan is sooo hot on family values, why has she made her family wait for over 18 months, and still hasn't given her dead son a headstone?

http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/126004.php

This unmarked patch of grass is Casey Sheehan's grave where his mortal remains are buried. The picture was taken by Vacaville reporter Cat Moy, and sent to me to use as part of this piece.

There is no monument or marker for Casey. Even as Cindy Sheehan poses for the press in front of the boots and the cross with Casey's name and picture, the rest of his family is forced to gather around a bare patch of lawn. All around them the dead are commemorated in silent dignity, their names and dates immortalized in granite or marble. Those monuments serve to accentuate the bareness of Casey's resting place.

Why is there no marker? From a source close to the family:

Why would Cindy Sheehan beg off completing this task? The monument can only be placed with her approval, but she hasn't found the time to do it, or even pay for it. This is causing pain and anguish for a family she claims to "adore above all things".

Perhaps if there were more cameras around. Or perhaps she realizes her grief plays better if there is no "competing" grave site. Or maybe...but speculating on her motivations is probably useless."

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:09 am

who cares? what does this have to do with anything?

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:34 am

Augustus wrote: what does this have to do with anything?

It doesn't? Dunno.....Maybe it's just a Fox News fan, carring on the new religion of what the Fox thought police are propagating.

Sheehan draws attention to herself by not only throwing her lot with the antiwar crowd but also by trying to embarrass the President. That's a call to arms from Fox and it's minions......

Funny thing though when you look at this cartoon. I think that quite possibly, even Republicans are starting to doubt the leadership shown, given that they are no longer immune from the righ wing attacks if they don't support the President.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:30 am

Took the people that made my moms gravestone over a year to make it...dunno maybe they are backlogged? Maybe a mistake was made and it had to be redone? Cemetaries are very strict with certain things. You should email and ask her.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:32 am

thepieman wrote:Took the people that made my moms gravestone over a year to make it...dunno maybe they are backlogged? Maybe a mistake was made and it had to be redone? Cemetaries are very strict with certain things. You should email and ask her.

It could also be, she would like a military headstone. That too, takes a bit of red tape and time to make.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:44 am

maybe she thinks making an effort to save other moms the anguish of losing a child to this war is more important then a rock above her childs grave.

If a murderer killed your kid, wouldnt your first priority be to find his killer so he couldnt kill again? Maybe thats the way she views it.

Dont make her out to be this villian. If so, close your eyes and join the angry mob that already has.. but dont bother trying to gain more support for it.

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:45 am

downhill wrote:It could also be, she would like a military headstone. That too, takes a bit of red tape and time to make.

Nope.

(National Cemetery System, DVA)

Upon request, the VA provides, at no charge, headstones and markers for the unmarked graves of veterans anywhere in the world and for eligible dependents who are buried in national, state veteran or military cemeteries. In addition, for deaths occurring between December 27, 2001 and December 31, 2006, the VA will provide an appropriate marker for the grave of an eligible individual who is buried in a private cemetery.

https://www.virtualarmory.com/promotion ... Honors.htm

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:47 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:Nope.

(National Cemetery System, DVA)

Upon request, the VA provides, at no charge, headstones and markers for the unmarked graves of veterans anywhere in the world and for eligible dependents who are buried in national, state veteran or military cemeteries. In addition, for deaths occurring between December 27, 2001 and December 31, 2006, the VA will provide an appropriate marker for the grave of an eligible individual who is buried in a private cemetery.

https://www.virtualarmory.com/promotion ... Honors.htm

Nope what? It took 2 1/2 years for a military headstone for my Dad's grave. Becuse you can get one, might not mean you get it overnighted..

It was just a thought is all.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:48 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:Nope.

(National Cemetery System, DVA)

Upon request, the VA provides, at no charge, headstones and markers for the unmarked graves of veterans anywhere in the world and for eligible dependents who are buried in national, state veteran or military cemeteries. In addition, for deaths occurring between December 27, 2001 and December 31, 2006, the VA will provide an appropriate marker for the grave of an eligible individual who is buried in a private cemetery.

https://www.virtualarmory.com/promotion ... Honors.htm

most of the time things that are at no charge, usually means theres no urgency in getting it done either.

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:00 am

Meggie wrote:maybe she thinks making an effort to save other moms the anguish of losing a child to this war is more important then a rock above her childs grave.

If a murderer killed your kid, wouldnt your first priority be to find his killer so he couldnt kill again? Maybe thats the way she views it.

Dont make her out to be this villian. If so, close your eyes and join the angry mob that already has.. but dont bother trying to gain more support for it.

The HYPOCRISY of Casey's OWN MOTHER putting her political agenda BEFORE her dead son. - The SAME dead son she's using as a soapbox.

It's disrespectful. And, if she HONESTLY cared for Casey's memory as much as she claims, there would be a MONUMENT (The proper term for a headstone) on his grave SHOWING THAT.

Actions speak louder than words. She's all talk.

"I lost my son to the war - he meant the world to me...." (A paraphrase, not a direct quote) yet he did not mean enough to so much as MARK his grave!

How hard of a concept is that to grasp?
That her dead son is just a tool to her.
She's too busy spending her money running around the country, soaking up the spotlight and making sure that HER NAME gets out there to bother to put her dead son's name on his grave.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:05 am

TS..you sound angry. Did you know her son? Or the family? Is it really you, or is it Limbaugh, driving you to stroke levels?

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:05 am

downhill wrote:TS..you sound angry. Did you know her son? Or the family? Is it really you, or is it Limbaugh, driving you to stroke levels?

You forgot the smileys.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:06 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:The HYPOCRISY of Casey's OWN MOTHER putting her political agenda BEFORE her dead son. - The SAME dead son she's using as a soapbox.

It's disrespectful. And, if she HONESTLY cared for Casey's memory as much as she claims, there would be a MONUMENT (The proper term for a headstone) on his grave SHOWING THAT.

Actions speak louder than words. She's all talk.

"I lost my son to the war - he meant the world to me...." (A paraphrase, not a direct quote) yet he did not mean enough to so much as MARK his grave!

How hard of a concept is that to grasp?
That her dead son is just a tool to her.
She's too busy spending her money running around the country, soaking up the spotlight and making sure that HER NAME gets out there to bother to put her dead son's name on his grave.

i really think that she would prefer her son to be alive to any political agenda that she may have.

I think you just dont agree with her messege, and in effect are looking for anything you can to make her seem less credible. Her son is dead - Fact, Dead because of this 'war' - fact. I think you questioning the love of her son, is not only disrespectful but making you look worse then however bad you percieve her to be.

downhill · Post by **downhill** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:06 am

Prey521 wrote:You forgot the smileys.

None needed.......Thanks for all the fish though.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:07 am

downhill wrote:None needed.......Thanks for all the fish though.

No problem, I aim to please.

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:10 am

Getting my grandfathers headstone took almost 6 months to have made. After that, it took another 3 months for the headstone to be changed to include my grandmothers information when she died five years later. Before you go on this rant, look into it more, often times a cemetary would have an ETA date for the headstone as it's sometimes their crews who install them

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:15 am

CiscoKid wrote:Getting my grandfathers headstone took almost 6 months to have made. After that, it took another 3 months for the headstone to be changed to include my grandmothers information when she died five years later. Before you go on this rant, look into it more, often times a cemetary would have an ETA date for the headstone as it's sometimes their crews who install them

Regardless, i still see it as a minute detail.. her son is dead, if it takes her 6 months or a year or 6 years before she gets him a headstone... its not going to make him any less dead.

Considering what those guys who disagreed with what she was saying did to the makeshift 'gravesite' that she had made.. Maybe shes afraid that her sons gravestone may also be targeted. Who knows.

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:17 am

CiscoKid wrote:Getting my grandfathers headstone took almost 6 months to have made. After that, it took another 3 months for the headstone to be changed to include my grandmothers information when she died five years later. Before you go on this rant, look into it more, often times a cemetary would have an ETA date for the headstone as it's sometimes their crews who install them

18+ months and counting for Ms. sheehan. The V.A. can have a marker stone placed in no time. Or she could allow the family to take care of it (which she hasn't).

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:19 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:18+ months and counting for Ms. sheehan. The V.A. can have a marker stone placed in no time. Or she could allow the family to take care of it (which she hasn't).

maybe you should be overseas fighting if you have all this extra time to praise the government and criticize individuals who are disagreeing with its choices.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:25 am

Meggie wrote:maybe you should be overseas fighting if you have all this extra time to praise the government and criticize individuals who are disagreeing with its choices.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the administration. But when you have former Presidents and other politicians going around the world and around the country accusing Bush of lying about WMD's is pretty demoralizing to both this country and the troops that are overseas fighting in this war, don't you think?

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:25 am

Meggie wrote:Regardless, i still see it as a minute detail.. her son is dead, if it takes her 6 months or a year or 6 years before she gets him a headstone... its not going to make him any less dead.

Considering what those guys who disagreed with what she was saying did to the makeshift 'gravesite' that she had made.. Maybe shes afraid that her sons gravestone may also be targeted. Who knows.

I know that. After my cousin died, it took his mom almost ten years to finally get one as she refused to believe he was dead. Sheehan may be looking at it that her son cannot rest until his comrades are home safe.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:30 am

Prey521 wrote:There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the administration. But when you have former Presidents and other politicians going around the world and around the country accusing Bush of lying about WMD's is pretty demoralizing to both this country and the troops that are overseas fighting in this war, don't you think?

Trust me troops over seas know this better than anyone... you really think a democrat saying "there arent the WMD's that bush claimed there were" is going to be news to a soldier/marine whose job it is to look for them?

Dont worry about demoralizing troops.. I would say the current administration does that more than any joe citizen around here.

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:33 am

My sweet Meggie I've done my duty. Some of us older retired military people have a problem with leaving a comrade in an un-marked grave....we feel its not right...and we wouldn't like it done to us!

CiscoKid · Post by **CiscoKid** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:33 am

Prey521 wrote:There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the administration. But when you have former Presidents and other politicians going around the world and around the country accusing Bush of lying about WMD's is pretty demoralizing to both this country and the troops that are overseas fighting in this war, don't you think?

It's not demoralizing, it's disenfranchising

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:34 am

Meggie wrote:Trust me troops over seas know this better than anyone... you really think a democrat saying "there arent the WMD's that bush claimed there were" is going to be news to a soldier/marine whose job it is to look for them?

Dont worry about demoralizing troops.. I would say the current administration does that more than any joe citizen around here.

NM, it's obvious that my point went about 2 feet over your head.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:37 am

Prey521 wrote:NM, it's obvious that my point went about 2 feet over your head.

yer too smart for me.. must talk slower so i can understand yoo...

I got your point, considering your new sig image, im glad to see that you think you now have someone else on your side. Ill send you both a postcard in a few months.. Ill let you know what its really like to support your government.

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:38 am

Meggie wrote: Dont worry about demoralizing troops.. I would say the current administration does that more than any joe citizen around here.

You haven't seen demoralization until you seen it serving under President Clinton.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:42 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:My sweet Meggie I've done my duty. Some of us older retired military people have a problem with leaving a comrade in an un-marked grave....we feel its not right...and we wouldn't like it done to us!

my dear sweet TS, thank you for your service.. ever see combat? ever lose a child to a war that you dont support? I wonder how many of his fellow troops that have been burried the same amount of time have gravestones.. would be good research to do if you believe so strongly in servicemens graves going unmarked, shouldnt you feel the same way about any of them regardless of how their mothers have dealt with their deaths?

Lovingly yours, Meggie

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:43 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:You haven't seen demoralization until you seen it serving under President Clinton.

Its easy to be in the military when theres no war to fight. Hell, i would rather be demoralized on home soil then a desert on the other side of the world anyday.

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:06 am

Meggie wrote:yer too smart for me..

We've never even met and you've already realized this, now if I can get my wife on the same page as you, I'd be a happy camper

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:08 am

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:09 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:You haven't seen demoralization until you seen it serving under President Clinton.

LMAO!

Prey521 · Post by **Prey521** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:10 am

Meggie wrote:yer too smart for me.. must talk slower so i can understand yoo...

I got your point, considering your new sig image, im glad to see that you think you now have someone else on your side. Ill send you both a postcard in a few months.. Ill let you know what its really like to support your government.

Oh, and I'll be waiting for that postcard

ToxicSplooge · Post by **ToxicSplooge** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:21 am

Meggie wrote:Its easy to be in the military when theres no war to fight. Hell, i would rather be demoralized on home soil then a desert on the other side of the world anyday.

Think for a moment what it means to Retire from service under President Clinton. Concider the presidents I HAVE served under to reach that point(wars included). The last place I'm going to reveal my life history to is a internet forum.

Please think before you type, the mind is a terrible thing to waste and the internet is a dangerous place!

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:42 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:Nope.

(National Cemetery System, DVA)

Upon request, the VA provides, at no charge, headstones and markers for the unmarked graves of veterans anywhere in the world and for eligible dependents who are buried in national, state veteran or military cemeteries. In addition, for deaths occurring between December 27, 2001 and December 31, 2006, the VA will provide an appropriate marker for the grave of an eligible individual who is buried in a private cemetery.

https://www.virtualarmory.com/promotion ... Honors.htm

Also from your link

INCOMPLETE OR INACCURATE INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION MAY RESULT IN ITS RETURN TO THE APPLICANT, A DELAY IN RECEIPT
OF THE HEADSTONE OR MARKER, OR AN INCORRECT INSCRIPTION.

http://www.cem.va.gov/pdf/401330.pdf

Remember we are talking about the Government here too.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:49 am

Prey521 wrote:There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the administration. But when you have former Presidents and other politicians going around the world and around the country accusing Bush of lying about WMD's is pretty demoralizing to both this country and the troops that are overseas fighting in this war, don't you think?

Not for nothing but just because they are soldiers doesn't mean they should be lied to. They are entitled to know the truth just like any other citizen wether its about the war being right or wrong.Sorry if you feel its demoralizing to them that they be told the truth. They are not just there to die and especially not for the sake of some Politician looking good. Keep falling for all that "Unpatriotic" crap. If its the truth then anyone that is a citizen of this country is entitled to know.

yo_yo_girl · Post by **yo_yo_girl** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:23 am

right on! plus there are patriot crazies who would deface it , etc. How is putting a piece of granite over a grave, the true indicator of LOVE? If you don't buy your loved one a headstone, or put a expensive one on it, does it mean you didn;t love them very much??

Meggie wrote:maybe she thinks making an effort to save other moms the anguish of losing a child to this war is more important then a rock above her childs grave.

If a murderer killed your kid, wouldnt your first priority be to find his killer so he couldnt kill again? Maybe thats the way she views it.

Dont make her out to be this villian. If so, close your eyes and join the angry mob that already has.. but dont bother trying to gain more support for it.

Meggie · Post by **Meggie** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:59 am

[quote="yo_yo_girl"]right on! plus there are patriot crazies who would deface it , etc. How is putting a piece of granite over a grave, the true indicator of LOVE? If you don't buy your loved one a headstone, or put a expensive one on it, does it mean you didn]
very true, i think her fighting as hard as she has for this cause shows a lot more love and a lot more hurt for her loss, than putting up a stone.

brembo · Post by **brembo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:04 am

ToxicSplooge wrote:The HYPOCRISY of Casey's OWN MOTHER putting her political agenda BEFORE her dead son. - The SAME dead son she's using as a soapbox.

It's disrespectful. And, if she HONESTLY cared for Casey's memory as much as she claims, there would be a MONUMENT (The proper term for a headstone) on his grave SHOWING THAT.

Actions speak louder than words. She's all talk.

"I lost my son to the war - he meant the world to me...." (A paraphrase, not a direct quote) yet he did not mean enough to so much as MARK his grave!

How hard of a concept is that to grasp?
That her dead son is just a tool to her.
She's too busy spending her money running around the country, soaking up the spotlight and making sure that HER NAME gets out there to bother to put her dead son's name on his grave.

Shut the **** up. Have you recently buried a loved one? The gall of prioritizing a grieving mothers actions to undermine her credibility is so low it's not even human. People grieve in different ways and hers is apparently to shout at the establishment she thinks got her son killed for no good reason. I cannot fathom how you get off being so high and mighty....

Do you know how close Mrs. and son were? Doubtful/.
Do you know the families tendencies towards burials? Doubtful.
Are you an expert on how long the Gov't takes to issue a military headstone/monumnet? Possibly, yet unlikely.
Lots of factors to consider when running down a person for the simple reason of bolstering your argument. You have potential, Sharpton and Jackson could use a slimy little weasel like you. Scooter might like to have ya ay his side too.

David · Post by **David** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:38 pm

ToxicSplooge wrote:Think for a moment what it means to Retire from service under President Clinton. Concider the presidents I HAVE served under to reach that point(wars included). The last place I'm going to reveal my life history to is a internet forum.

Please think before you type, the mind is a terrible thing to waste and the internet is a dangerous place!

Now that sounds like a threat.

Would you care to elaborate what it feels like to retire under Clinton? Is it any worse than trying to find a VA hospital under Bush.