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downhill wrote:Why? To glimpse even a shred of the future is a gift. Even if you could...it seems that the most gifted people who can...have no ability to change the outcome. If they did...how would they have ever sensed it in the first place?

That too is also a quandary. If one could actually "see" into the future, then how could it possibly be truly linear if you could actually change the outcome of what one sensed?
I've seen the future. I think many have. It's called precognition. But, I think there is a logical explanation and it is not as mysterious as it sounds. Seeing into the future is to experience the reverberations of the actual occurance in the future.

Here is a question for you. What if we could travel faster than time? ;)
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time is linear and one dimensional. the talk of traveling forwards or backwards in time does not make it cyclical. it only makes it so one would have subsets of linear time in parallel with concurent time lines, starting and stopping as a time traveler traveled forwards and backwards in time.
for time to become dimensional you would have to have the ability to stop time all together, but that only gives a second dimention proportional to the amount of time, that time itself is halted.

Einsteins theory of general relativity only correlates the perception of time based on ones view of others and their speed of travel. ie the faster you travel the slower time moves for said traveler, as observed by someone other than said traveler. and said traveler will note, observing others not traveling at his greater rate of speed, that they are moving at greater rates of speed, relative to him. Einsteins theory works up to, but not including the actual speed of light. and it does not preclude the possibility of moving faster than the speed of light.

the notion of time reversing its self if the known cosmos reverses its expantion and starts to contract is hogwash. to think that, one would have to accept that our cosmos is all there is. this has already been precluded within string theory, whereas there are multiple number of planes of existence beyond our own. so time would continue on even if our known cosmos were to self implode, for time would continue for others who exist on other planes.



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1. Slaughterhouse 5 is fiction.
2. Einstein was only partially correct in his postulates about Time.

Slaughterhouse 5, the book, never actually indicatates time travel, it the guy who is re-experiencing his own memories. The movie did a poor job of showing that and tended to imply otherwise.

Time is relative to the Viewpoint. What is a Viewpoint? Why YOU of course!

Read these ideas written in the early 50's, many of which are now included in modern advanced physics courses.
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Time is just the speed of the universe, speed it up (or go faster than it) and you greatly increase it. Reversing it would require going slower than a dead stop and that is impossible, therefore we could easily go forward in time if we are able to travel faster than light, but cannot return back to the time we originally started from.
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downhill wrote:Why? To glimpse even a shred of the future is a gift. Even if you could...it seems that the most gifted people who can...have no ability to change the outcome. If they did...how would they have ever sensed it in the first place?

That too is also a quandary. If one could actually "see" into the future, then how could it possibly be truly linear if you could actually change the outcome of what one sensed?

Hiya Downhill!

From my own personal experience...a glimpse into the future is indeed a gift...it can also be an absolute nightmare as well. Mine comes in the form of nightmares usually...and though not always about the person I actually have the dream about...I do know that someone close is going to be hurt somehow...either physically or emotionally and very severe...not like a splinter! Can I change the outcome? No...but I can and have warned my friends and loved ones...that something is coming up...and to be aware and cautious....has that ever made a solid difference in a negative happening?....I know of several times that in fact it has saved a tragedy...however...I also believe that was a part of the master plan already written...I did not nor was able to change a thing that was to occur..but was only the messenger called upon to deliver the info.

Wowza...I so rarely speak about this..and I do so hope my rambling made some sense here...as to time...what ever is about to happen.... and to whom..usually happens with a two week time frame....once in awhile...the event has already happened to someone I know or have contact with...but eventually I find out what it was...and to whom...and why the dream. Tis both a blessing...and a curse.

Thanks for the thread! Have a great day! :p
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downhill wrote:Why? To glimpse even a shred of the future is a gift. Even if you could...it seems that the most gifted people who can...have no ability to change the outcome. If they did...how would they have ever sensed it in the first place?

That too is also a quandary. If one could actually "see" into the future, then how could it possibly be truly linear if you could actually change the outcome of what one sensed?

Are you referring to people who are psychic?

If that is what you mean then nothing is definite. When people see visions of future, nothing is ever set in stone, so the psychic would give advice to the client and tell them if you follow this path then A will happen, but if you work on this then A can change.
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downhill wrote:Why circular? [Immy voice]*discuss*[/Immy voice]

My mistake I used the wrong term. I should not say it is circular, but time is non-linear.
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MissTynker2 wrote:Hiya Downhill!

From my own personal experience...a glimpse into the future is indeed a gift...it can also be an absolute nightmare as well. Mine comes in the form of nightmares usually...and though not always about the person I actually have the dream about...I do know that someone close is going to be hurt somehow...either physically or emotionally and very severe...not like a splinter! Can I change the outcome? No...but I can and have warned my friends and loved ones...that something is coming up...and to be aware and cautious....has that ever made a solid difference in a negative happening?....I know of several times that in fact it has saved a tragedy...however...I also believe that was a part of the master plan already written...I did not nor was able to change a thing that was to occur..but was only the messenger called upon to deliver the info.

Wowza...I so rarely speak about this..and I do so hope my rambling made some sense here...as to time...what ever is about to happen.... and to whom..usually happens with a two week time frame....once in awhile...the event has already happened to someone I know or have contact with...but eventually I find out what it was...and to whom...and why the dream. Tis both a blessing...and a curse.

Thanks for the thread! Have a great day! :p

what i think is that if you were meant to see it ...then that was meant to happen and you were supposed to warn your loved ones invariably not changing anything as this was supposed to happen....i dont believe anyone has the ability to control any moment in time .. but perhaps we become 'aware' at that moment of the relativity of time to that other person, place or thing therefore seeing things a bit different ( y'know that moment of slow motion...the moment that seems to last forever)....this is quite the mindfvck to an extreme
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Not sure if time is non-linear or not, but I think time can be linear/non-linear and circular at the same time. At some point in the future, time will fold back into the past, thus creating a circular path of time. What is done along that circle tho, can be non-linear in nature, but still follow the circular path of time marching towards it's end/beginning.

I've had a couple of precognitive episodes myself, one being back in '86 when I had a dream about the shuttle Challenger exploding the night before it actually happened. Told a couple of people about it. Was completely freaked out when it did happen.
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alright, my nickle physicist view of things lol.

1) first of all, time is just a measurement of a collision of when and where on the same plane. Think of time as an axis that runs through multiple planes of space, where ever you are at the moment is where the line is drawn through (obviously an example). this is, in theory of course, is what allows for jumps in time. If you're on one plane and suddenly find yourself on another the line has moved with you causing a "jump" in time.

2) going with this would mean that every one on the same plane IS NOT in the same "time". At this point we're think of time as a measurment of when, in the course of a day. That's not a physical thing. who's to say that just because the clock say the same thing for everybody that we're all not running a sec, minute, or hell hour ahead/behind of each other? True Pyschics running a day a head at least? who knows.

3) people on seperate times see each other, they're just not on the same "clock" as everyone else.

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Noevo wrote:alright, my nickle physicist view of things lol.

1) first of all, time is just a measurement of a collision of when and where on the same plane. Think of time as an axis that runs through multiple planes of space, where ever you are at the moment is where the line is drawn through (obviously an example). this is, in theory of course, is what allows for jumps in time. If you're on one plane and suddenly find yourself on another the line has moved with you causing a "jump" in time.

2) going with this would mean that every one on the same plane IS NOT in the same "time". At this point we're think of time as a measurment of when, in the course of a day. That's not a physical thing. who's to say that just because the clock say the same thing for everybody that we're all not running a sec, minute, or hell hour ahead/behind of each other? True Pyschics running a day a head at least? who knows.

3) people on seperate times see each other, they're just not on the same "clock" as everyone else.

/theories
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Noevo wrote:
2) going with this would mean that every one on the same plane IS NOT in the same "time". At this point we're think of time as a measurment of when, in the course of a day. That's not a physical thing. who's to say that just because the clock say the same thing for everybody that we're all not running a sec, minute, or hell hour ahead/behind of each other? True Pyschics running a day a head at least? who knows.

I agree with this. That is why when someone dies they might not realize they are dead per se, and in the other side, time is different. I believe one day on the other side can be roughly 1 year here as an example.


if you can slow down or speed up your vibrations you can see the other side, though you really need a gift for that which is what true psychics are able to do.
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Noevo wrote:alright, my nickle physicist view of things lol.

1) first of all, time is just a measurement of a collision of when and where on the same plane. Think of time as an axis that runs through multiple planes of space, where ever you are at the moment is where the line is drawn through (obviously an example). this is, in theory of course, is what allows for jumps in time. If you're on one plane and suddenly find yourself on another the line has moved with you causing a "jump" in time.

2) going with this would mean that every one on the same plane IS NOT in the same "time". At this point we're think of time as a measurment of when, in the course of a day. That's not a physical thing. who's to say that just because the clock say the same thing for everybody that we're all not running a sec, minute, or hell hour ahead/behind of each other? True Pyschics running a day a head at least? who knows.

3) people on seperate times see each other, they're just not on the same "clock" as everyone else.

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Ghosthunter wrote:I agree with this. That is why when someone dies they might not realize they are dead per se, and in the other side, time is different. I believe one day on the other side can be roughly 1 year here as an example.


if you can slow down or speed up your vibrations you can see the other side, though you really need a gift for that which is what true psychics are able to do.
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Sarahnn wrote:Now I know yer all male, Noevo. Only a man would complicate something complicated and make it seem even more complicated than it really is. This is why men hate "chores" also. :p
I'm like that with all measurements. Hell I can complicate simple distance measurements so much your head would spin, and convince you that 7" is really 9" :nod:
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Ghosthunter wrote:


if you can slow down or speed up your vibrations you can see the other side, though you really need a gift for that which is what true psychics are able to do.
Whoa, I strongly disagree with you on this, Ghosthunter. Let me explain.

We are all built the same with the same potential. Some of us begin to develop that potential by unique and frequent exposures which when young and formidable remains a part of the foundation of who we are. That does not mean, however that others could not have developed that same talent as the same potential does exist in all of us. What makes us different is simply how life stimulates the different receptors in our brain causing a reaction and making memory the formulation of who we are.

In my ever so humble opinion.

Uh oh.....I'm starting to sound like Noevo, and I just got through bustin him on my last post.. :(

Guess I'm hypocrite. :p
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Noevo wrote:I'm like that with all measurements. Hell I can complicate simple distance measurements so much your head would spin, and convince you that 7" is really 9" :nod:
Not if I got my handy, dandy tape measure with me, ya can't. :D
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Einstein's theory of relativity (the simple version):

put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour
put your hand on a beautiful woman, an hour can seem like a second


it's all relative
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Sarahnn wrote:Whoa, I strongly disagree with you on this, Ghosthunter. Let me explain.

We are all built the same with the same potential. Some of us begin to develop that potential by unique and frequent exposures which when young and formidable remains a part of the foundation of who we are. That does not mean, however that others could not have developed that same talent as the same potential does exist in all of us. What makes us different is simply how life stimulates the different receptors in our brain causing a reaction and making memory the formulation of who we are.

In my ever so humble opinion.

Uh oh.....I'm starting to sound like Noevo, and I just got through bustin him on my last post.. :(

Guess I'm hypocrite. :p
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Now dont confuse this with psychic experiences. You can have a so called psychic experience and not be psychic. What do i mean by that. For example you can have a dream of something and it comes true. Or you can have a deja vu..or something can happen and you just know. These are incidents that can happen to any of us. The main difference is they are random and cannot be controlled. It is not really being psychic per se.
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striker8000 wrote:Einstein's theory of relativity (the simple version):

put your hand on a hot stove, a second can seem like an hour
put your hand on a beautiful woman, an hour can seem like a second


it's all relative
but if you put your hand on a beautiful woman that is not accepting of that, it could seem longer than an hour. more like 10-15yrs lol.

your example is pure perception in my mind. Like when you're looking forward to something time "seems" to go slow. Where as if you're dreading something, time seems to throw you at it full speed ahead. Are these actual changes in time or just anticipation throwing our perception of time off. I'm going with the latter. I think that the real jumps and such in time go unnoticed all the time, but when there is a larger jump things happen that get noticed. sorry gh, but I think a lot of these can explain the unexplainable cases of physcic phenomena, with relation to seeing the future etc.

really, it seems that the most likely cause for a real jump in time, or glimpse into the past/future, would be caused more likely by a change in plane (space). whether there are spots where these are weaker or whether there are places they cross who knows. is it a matter of time being thin or the plane you're on being thin and being able to see/going into another plane.
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Noevo wrote:but if you put your hand on a beautiful woman that is not accepting of that, it could seem longer than an hour. more like 10-15yrs lol.

your example is pure perception in my mind. Like when you're looking forward to something time "seems" to go slow. Where as if you're dreading something, time seems to throw you at it full speed ahead. Are these actual changes in time or just anticipation throwing our perception of time off. I'm going with the latter. I think that the real jumps and such in time go unnoticed all the time, but when there is a larger jump things happen that get noticed. sorry gh, but I think a lot of these can explain the unexplainable cases of physcic phenomena, with relation to seeing the future etc.

really, it seems that the most likely cause for a real jump in time, or glimpse into the past/future, would be caused more likely by a change in plane (space). whether there are spots where these are weaker or whether there are places they cross who knows. is it a matter of time being thin or the plane you're on being thin and being able to see/going into another plane.
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I dont think time is a 100% given and equal thing, I think the longer we are around we'll see things dont add up acurately with our time. Not that its a problem, just makes some yearly statistics wrong when dealing with large amounts of time.
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Ghosthunter wrote:Sorry I dont believe we are all psychic...personally I believe that stigma comes from many people who sell these books and courses and say you can be psychic just pay $100 and take our course or what not.

You are either born with it or you are not.
Well, you made me think this out by disagreeing so articulately. Here is what my logic tells me. The Homo Sapien either has the ability to "sense and recognize" future events or they cannot.

I do not believe in any individual having something that another does not. It is simply a matter of degree. I think obvious, less obscure talents we possess reaffirm my theory. Unless you can point out something someone can do that another human cannot because he is not endowed with a particular natural ability.

In other words, if it walks like a duck...etc

I do believe that many sincere people think they have a gift that no one else has. But, I think they simply can access it more.
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We're all psychic, yes and no, alot of what can be considered psychic on a day to day basis is in part the understanding of the human body and mind in general, applied with traits, characteristics, and actions of a person, someone may be able to predict a move or finish a sentence or even be able to tell the other what they are thinking, but its not really a psychic power, more learned intelligence.
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