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David wrote:The Iraq war is many things, primarily theft. It would not be Obama's fault for the mess he inherited (Like Carter), however he would be expected to exercise fiscal restraint to right America's economic ship (something that did not happen under Carter's reign).

As for healthcare..... yes, the US does need to do something about it. However, your southern cousins live in a different land, with a larger population and a very different governing system.

I know it's a larger population, that's no excuse. Go capitalist all day, just cure your sick without question. Your eager to jump into hell, but not help your own. WE have system abuse here, but omg we still float the boat and live well. If people are sick, I feel it's a human obligation to fix them or try. There shouldn't be a bill at the end of your visit. Humanity dictates that.

YeOldeStonecat wrote: OK so much for a legit reply from someone who might know more about the Muslim religion...

Don't need insults or insinuations about it solely coming from a republican side..nor IQ counts (PS david..you're not the only one to go post college in degrees )

...and...oh yeah....earlier on in the elections I came out of the gates intending to vote for him.

FOUND IT.....


from: http://www.mendosa.com/politics.html
toward the bottom....

It was the 1950 Florida primary campaign for the U.S. Senate when George Smathers challenged incumbent Claude Pepper. In his campaign, Smathers targeted Pepper's unrestrained liberalism—before liberalism became a dirty word—and the fears of uneducated voters.

In a classic campaign speech in rural northern Florida, Smathers told his audience that Pepper was "a shameless extrovert" who was known to have engaged in "nepotism" with his sister-in-law, "whose sister was once a thespian" in wicked New York City, and who was acknowledged to have "practiced celibacy" before his marriage.

The Smathers smear worked. He defeated Pepper by almost 67,000 votes.

But is this story true, or is it another urban legend? Until the end of his Senate career in 1971, Smathers denied the story. Nevertheless, he acknowledged in Reconsiderations by Florida House Clerk Allen Morris, published in 1982, that the story has "gone into the history books."

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Do you quality stereotypically hating people "just because they live in another country" as being civilized?

If A human were dying of any color or background, would I help them? Is that what your asking? A sparrow was hoping around my yard with a broken wing as I began to bbq'd yesterday and it broke my heart to see such a harmless creature destined to die. That might make me a weak person, a tree huggin hippy even, but it makes me sad. if I knew of a way to help a sparrow with a broken wing, I'd help the ****ing thing.

sito wrote:I know it's a larger population, that's no excuse. Go capitalist all day, just cure your sick without question. Your eager to jump into hell, but not help your own. WE have system abuse here, but omg we still float the boat and live well. If people are sick, I feel it's a human obligation to fix them or try. There shouldn't be a bill at the end of your visit. Humanity dictates that.

It is not only our large and expansive population where we differ, but our disconnection from our government. On the whole, many view it as the corrupt enemy. Much of the tax monies go into state, private and corporate pockets rather than efficiently into coffers where it might be properly utilized. Truthfully, it is disgusting.

As for healing the sick.... well we all have our thought as to what services should be gratis. I do quite a bit of pro bono for those in need. Part of the American psyche is(READ: generalization) to be able to choose who we wish to help.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Do you quality stereotypically hating people "just because they live in another country" as being civilized?

Also if you had a cardiac arrest while shopping for beer in Canada, would I try to save you? That would depend on your location in the parking lot. I know either way I'd have extra beer.

David wrote:It is not only our large and expansive population where we differ, but our disconnection from our government. On the whole, many view it as the corrupt enemy. Much of the tax monies go into state, private and corporate pockets rather than efficiently into coffers where it might be properly utilized. Truthfully, it is disgusting.

As for healing the sick.... well we all have our thought as to what services should be gratis. I do quite a bit of pro bono for those in need. Part of the American psyche is(READ: generalization) to be able to choose who we wish to help.

But everyone is hip to spending several hundred billion to support a lie. I'll guess your answer is no, but your President George Bush is walking free as we speak.

You guys need a revolution. Do yourselves a favour, you can even partially invade us during this "struggle", just make what's wrong, right.

David wrote:It is not only our large and expansive population where we differ, but our disconnection from our government. On the whole, many view it as the corrupt enemy. Much of the tax monies go into state, private and corporate pockets rather than efficiently into coffers where it might be properly utilized. Truthfully, it is disgusting.

As for healing the sick.... well we all have our thought as to what services should be gratis. I do quite a bit of pro bono for those in need. Part of the American psyche is(READ: generalization) to be able to choose who we wish to help.

Help them all. A good reflection of a country is is how they treat their sick. Canadians pay extra to go to American doctors. If you let your poor die, what does that say about your country? Many redneck will charge in and say who gives a **** what the world thinks. The intelligent ones probably won't say that. We have a great slice of the world pie compared to most.

It's been a great night/day, despite what you might think I luv yas, I just hope you redeem yourselves come that faithful day. The world needs a little more hope and you guys seem to hold that card.

sito wrote:I know it's a larger population, that's no excuse. Go capitalist all day, just cure your sick without question. Your eager to jump into hell, but not help your own. WE have system abuse here, but omg we still float the boat and live well. If people are sick, I feel it's a human obligation to fix them or try. There shouldn't be a bill at the end of your visit. Humanity dictates that.

You won't hear any arguments from me on this remark. I believe we should have Universal Health Care. I find it sickening that a country of our wealth regards those in need so flippantly.

It cracks me up that every speech Bush gave in a public place, owned by the people, the mass's were screened to make sure there weren't any hecklers.

That never got much publicity.

Yet this is a news worthy story? LMAO

downhill wrote:It cracks me up that every speech Bush gave in a public place, owned by the people, the mass's were screened to make sure there weren't any hecklers.

That never got much publicity.

Yet this is a news worthy story? LMAO

Barack is black and he has a name that people don't like that's why this crap is happening.

sito wrote:But everyone is hip to spending several hundred billion to support a lie. I'll guess your answer is no, but your President George Bush is walking free as we speak.

You guys need a revolution. Do yourselves a favour, you can even partially invade us during this "struggle", just make what's wrong, right.

sito,

Which lie is it that "everyone" is hip to spending several billion on?

US presidents do not go to jail.

Do we need a revolution, perhaps. If so, it would a quiet one.

sito wrote:Help them all. A good reflection of a country is is how they treat their sick. Canadians pay extra to go to American doctors. If you let your poor die, what does that say about your country? Many redneck will charge in and say who gives a **** what the world thinks. The intelligent ones probably won't say that. We have a great slice of the world pie compared to most.

Evidentally you wish to make this a discussion of health care. If cuddled up with some popcorn and frosty beverage and a copy of "Sicko" on your DVD player, you might believe that there is no safety net for the impoverish sick in America. However, we have several in my area that will not turn anyone away. Sadly, private insurance companies (read: for profit) dictate rules to many hospitals. Understand, that our government has been bought. Do not blame the citizens.

David wrote:Evidentally you wish to make this a discussion of health care. If cuddled up with some popcorn and frosty beverage and a copy of "Sicko" on your DVD player, you might believe that there is no safety net for the impoverish sick in America. However, we have several in my area that will not turn anyone away. Sadly, private insurance companies (read: for profit) dictate rules to many hospitals. Understand, that our government has been bought. Do not blame the citizens.

Actually blame can be put on both the Government and citizens. It is after all the citizens who keep voting back in the same people who they complain about. Truth is we are all a part of the problem.

Roody wrote:Actually blame can be put on both the Government and citizens. It is after all the citizens who keep voting back in the same people who they complain about. Truth is we are all a part of the problem.

Trent,

It is the illusion of choice that we have here in the US. Sales books are many on the technique.

David wrote:Trent,

It is the illusion of choice that we have here in the US. Sales books are many on the technique.

I agree with that in some ways, but it can be changed if we really want it too. That said it would take alot of collective work.

David wrote:Trent,

It is the illusion of choice that we have here in the US. Sales books are many on the technique.

Key word here...when you give people a choice they are much less likely to revolt because they always think the situation will change when the next person takes office in whatever position...choice is the illusion. You let people think they are making the decisions and they will keep going the same route over and over again.

David wrote:Evidentally you wish to make this a discussion of health care. If cuddled up with some popcorn and frosty beverage and a copy of "Sicko" on your DVD player,

I haven't seen that yet is it any good?

If this guy becomes president I fear for our nation, it will be bad.

Brent wrote:If this guy becomes president I fear for our nation, it will be bad.

Explain this. Please do tell what B. Obama is going to "do" to this county (if elected) that will be so apocalyptic.

brembo wrote:Explain this. Please do tell what B. Obama is going to "do" to this county (if elected) that will be so apocalyptic.

have hillary as his VP

Noevo wrote:have hillary as his VP

He's got ya there man.

sito wrote:Republicans should rejoice that Obama is kissin cousins with Osama because Bush and Co have had ties with that family before, during and after 911.

The kid has meant so much to the Republicans dime they haven't killed him as a favor to the Bin Laden family. It's true he runs free as we speak because his family has too much of an impact on American oil imports from the middle east.

Stop one and ask them next time you see one.

OBL is dead. He was killed by his own because he would not support the 9/11 attacks. He said in December of 2001 in the only audio message that you can prove is Bin Laden that he did not order the attacks but he could see how some would want too. He was killed shortly after that. Remember Tora Bora how they all stopped fighting, Even the Northern Alliance guys stopped? That was because they found OBL dead. OBL led the American and Northern Alliance to the real AQ terrorist by using his cell or sat phone while they were held up at the secret hide out, The terrorist realized this and killed him.

OBL was loyal to the CIA and if you do not believe me check the FBI most wanted list and you will see that OBL is not wanted for 9/11.

Here is an admission by the former prime minister of Pakistan right before she was killed for opening her mouth. Whats funny is that by time this video made it to the British and American peoples TV that part was cleanly edited out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

Bush has just said recently that he wants to get OBL before he leaves office so that will give him an excuse to perform raids into Pakistan. Then he will pull OBLs body out of the deep freeze and say hey look, I got him.

sito wrote:I haven't seen that yet is it any good?

It does provide food for thought. Puts Canada in a good light.

David wrote:It does provide food for thought. Puts Canada in a good light.

When it comes to Health care it puts Cuba in good light also.

jasonb31 wrote:OBL is dead. He was killed by his own because he would not support the 9/11 attacks. He said in December of 2001 in the only audio message that you can prove is Bin Laden that he did not order the attacks but he could see how some would want too. He was killed shortly after that. Remember Tora Bora how they all stopped fighting, Even the Northern Alliance guys stopped? That was because they found OBL dead. OBL led the American and Northern Alliance to the real AQ terrorist by using his cell or sat phone while they were held up at the secret hide out, The terrorist realized this and killed him.

OBL was loyal to the CIA and if you do not believe me check the FBI most wanted list and you will see that OBL is not wanted for 9/11.

Here is an admission by the former prime minister of Pakistan right before she was killed for opening her mouth. Whats funny is that by time this video made it to the British and American peoples TV that part was cleanly edited out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

Bush has just said recently that he wants to get OBL before he leaves office so that will give him an excuse to perform raids into Pakistan. Then he will pull OBLs body out of the deep freeze and say hey look, I got him.

I have some real meesed up thoughts on what your saying. People just look at me like I'm crazy so I don't say what I think about that anymore, but I am aware of what your saying. One of the greatest misconceptions in history. Shhhh.

David wrote:It does provide food for thought. Puts Canada in a good light.

I was told about them going to Cuba for healthcare etc, but never actually watched it. Something I gotta see then.

David wrote:Evidentally you wish to make this a discussion of health care. If cuddled up with some popcorn and frosty beverage and a copy of "Sicko" on your DVD player, you might believe that there is no safety net for the impoverish sick in America. However, we have several in my area that will not turn anyone away. Sadly, private insurance companies (read: for profit) dictate rules to many hospitals. Understand, that our government has been bought. Do not blame the citizens.

I read this again and I know that America is not some giant cold hearted bastard. American citizens are some of the most compasionate people I have ever met, but in the same breath, the citizens are to blame.

You hold the vote. Politicians represent the people as a whole. Just most aren't hampered enough to really care one way or the other. It's YOUR country, who is elected represents the people. In history America is famous for speaking against the very things that are happening to you now. I just wait for the one that will eventually rise with a voice.

I put the land of the more free than you are in my location because I am truly baffled the American people have tolerated the sh it you have in your own back yard.

Posting in historic Scat political thread.

sito wrote:I read this again and I know that America is not some giant cold hearted bastard. American citizens are some of the most compasionate people I have ever met, but in the same breath, the citizens are to blame.

You hold the vote. Politicians represent the people as a whole. Just most aren't hampered enough to really care one way or the other. It's YOUR country, who is elected represents the people. In history America is famous for speaking against the very things that are happening to you now. I just wait for the one that will eventually rise with a voice.

I put the land of the more free than you are in my location because I am truly baffled the American people have tolerated the sh it you have in your own back yard.

It took me a couple years, but I went from being a Bush volunteer in 1999-2000 to voting against him in 2004. Simply put he lied to the very people he promised changes too.

Lefty wrote:Posting in historic Scat political thread.

Call me "bored" this morning.

Lefty wrote:Posting in historic Scat political thread.

He loves political threads, you can't possibly speak sacastically!

YeOldeStonecat wrote: Call me "bored" this morning.

Maybe one day you and I and that fat **** Grimm will share a bottle of whiskey. If you still see him, tell him I said hi. He's somebody I won't forget.

Lefty wrote:Posting in historic Scat political thread.

It almost doesn't seem like its really him doesn't it?

YARDofSTUF wrote:It almost doesn't seem like its really him doesn't it?

he secretly loves political threads! Turns him right on lmao

The Obama/Muslim connection is pretty weak. The Obamas are from the Luo tribe in Kenya. Obama's grandfather was a Christian, then converted to Muslim. His father was raised a Muslim but was an atheist long before he married Obama's white, American mother.

Barack was born and raised in Hawaii by his grandparents from Kansas.

The name "Barack" is more African than Muslim, though Arabic influences the East African languages.

Obama never changed his name to "Barry", and has never changed his name legally. Barry was a nickname used by both his mother and grandparents throughout childhood. Kind of like a kid called "William" who is known as "Bill" or "Billy". In adulthood, these kids don't change their names back to "William"...they just start going by their full name.

Obama was a standard agnostic American until he joined Trinity Church in the late 80's.

As for not wanting the muslim women in head-dresses in the picture...well, you know why. All kinds of unfounded rumors have been going on about his alleged muslim leanings, for example, that he was sworn into the senate using the Koran. Those same people would have a field day if muslims in traditional robes were in the crowd.

More on Obama's roots here - http://www.kenya-advisor.com/barack-oba ... kenya.html

Obama's website debunking rumors. You can see pictures of his inauguration getting sworn in on the bible, see his birth certificate, etc.- http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/ ... mearshome/

sito wrote:Maybe one day you and I and that fat **** Grimm will share a bottle of whiskey. If you still see him, tell him I said hi. He's somebody I won't forget.

He called me last week....just left me a voice mail. I haven't gone up that way in a while....been a long time since I've seen him (probably last spring-ish). Good guy...lotta fun.

JBrazen wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/1 ... 08191.html

Tonight, however, Dan Abrams showed footage he uncovered of a Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company."

Tit for tat....'ceptin this is from an actual candidate not his spouse.

There's a bit of a difference between love and pride dontcha think?

If you're going to spread the BS make sure it's equal on both sides mmmkay?

While not the wisest choice of words, especially after Michelle Obama inserted her foot into her mouth, you have to look at the wording of the statements. McCain used the word love and we humans have been trying to find the exact meaning of that word since we've been walking this Earth. Michelle used the word proud, we KNOW what that means...."I was never PROUD of my Country".

If you can't tell the difference between the 2 statements, well.........