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Zerohero wrote:If a Construction Worker died today, his body would not be sent home in the prettiest bag, and the nicest car. And he would not be glorified for his work. I think soldiers are to glorified in our country sometimes.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:2,752

wee96 wrote:I'd just be happy that im able to get the body. In WWII, etc. there were ALOT of moms who never got their son back. Its not an insult to bring a body back like that I mean come on, I sure wouldnt care if I got killed over there if they shipped me that way. I'm thinking its due to resources.

Meggie wrote:If anything i think soldiers are seen as hollywood, if thats what you mean by glorified then i will agree with you, if thats not what you mean i couldnt disagree with you more.

Ive had people treat me pretty ****ty because I wear this uniform, people i dont even know on the street saying bad stuff to me. My life has been a rollarcoaster these past few months with getting ready for deployment then, having the mission canceled, then having most of my friends leave to go with an infantry unit that i cant go with because im female. Im going to have to say goodbye to the majority of my friends in a couple weeks.. say goodbye so they can go over there and get shot at, live in less then ideal conditions and be hated by the locals and maybe come back in one of those coffins.

I realize that you have family in the military.. Im sorry but that does not give you an acurate picture of what its truley like to be a soldier or a marine or anything else. When you are sitting in a muddy hole, shivering, while rain pours down on you.. for hours.. while you are exhausted and hungry and miserable... thats when you can say that you know what its like. When you have given up all your comforts, everything you love and put it on hold when you are told to, when you can be sent away halfway across the world for a year or more, whenever they want, when you cant make a life at home because everything is seen as temporary, then you will know what its like. Otherwise, regardless of who your family is, your just another civilian.

going back to the glorified part... a soldier is willing to give everything, even their life for this country. Accidents happen in every job, but getting maliciously hunted by your enemy is something thats pretty unique to military. As military one of the benefits that I get for willing to live and die for my country is that i get to have a military funeral. Think about that for a second. Im willing to be miserable and possibly cut my life short so that when im dead.. "rotting" as you so nicely put it, that they will show me the recognition for my sacrafice and throw a flag over my coffin and treat it with respect worthy of someone who died prematurely simply for fighting for their country. Glorified?

Personally i think the military, police, EMTs, and firefighters should be treated like the NBA is. All these occupations require you to put the lives of other people above your own when its called for, yet if you look into it, all of these jobs get crap for wages. We obviously arent doing it for the money. And unlike the other occupations i listed, the military doesnt have a Union. Theres nothing that says that we cant go all night with no sleep, nothing that says that we deserve coffee breaks or weekends off and Im not saying there should be. If we fight the good fight and dont get the heavy paycheck that we deserve, is it really that awful to show common respect even admiration for soldiers?

Glorification? Maybe you need to step into a pair of combat boots for a few days.. i think your opinion would change pretty fast.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Sorry for your Uncle but he didn't die so no flag on his coffin. Your missing the point altogether. when a soldier dies in combat they are to be treated with the highest respect...flagged draped coffin...21 gun salute...the whole shabang.

SpareX wrote:
*Begin RANT*

OK Zero...

Lets drop you in the middle of Hell on earth.. some place your hated the most.. having people shoot at you daily, no bed to sleep in, no roof over your head.

Hell, let me break out my gun and start shooting at you, and give you a few "close" calls, see how fast you change your mind.

People like you make me ill.. you know that..

the common man can get a damn nice funeral, a construction worker can commonly get a REALLY REALLY nice funeral if they got killed on the job..

You really need to understand that our troop are doing a job that currently you have to volunteer for and want to do.. that takes BALLS... BIG SHINY STEEL BALLS THE SIZE OF TEXAS! I know I couldn't do it. I was about to sign up for the marines and I would be over there right now if i did.. but I didn't.. so I repect and damn near worship every soldier that goes over there to keep me safe at night.. why? well, hell I'm glad to be speaking english right now, becuase of soldiers like my great grandfather I am.. else we would be speaking german or Japanese..

If you dont want to respect those that would give thier life for your freedoms... then maybe you need to value your freedoms more..

Meggie wrote:like i said, its part of your right as a soldier. you know that although you may die for your country.. at least your body will be taken care of and treated with military honors.

This isnt WWII.. theres no reason for that.

Brent wrote:Meggie for president!

Zerohero wrote:yea I know that, and they BRINGING the bodies back for that. I'm sure you'd rather have it here than over there wouldn't you?

YARDofSTUF wrote:But there is no reason not to give them the respect they have earned. It's like we have to choose, bring them back or get them a flag.

Zerohero wrote:Maybe I misread read something, but are they just throwing the bodies in boxes on the plane?

Kip Patterson wrote:I'd like to apologize to the forum for my overboard posts last night.

While I don't want to offer a lame excuse, I had just returned home from a cancer biopsy and was letting my emotions, discomfort, and medication speak for me.

Let's hope that the deaths of soldiers are not being understated or misreported.

Meggie wrote:If anything i think soldiers are seen as hollywood, if thats what you mean by glorified then i will agree with you, if thats not what you mean i couldnt disagree with you more.

Ive had people treat me pretty ****ty because I wear this uniform, people i dont even know on the street saying bad stuff to me. My life has been a rollarcoaster these past few months with getting ready for deployment then, having the mission canceled, then having most of my friends leave to go with an infantry unit that i cant go with because im female. Im going to have to say goodbye to the majority of my friends in a couple weeks.. say goodbye so they can go over there and get shot at, live in less then ideal conditions and be hated by the locals and maybe come back in one of those coffins.

I realize that you have family in the military.. Im sorry but that does not give you an acurate picture of what its truley like to be a soldier or a marine or anything else. When you are sitting in a muddy hole, shivering, while rain pours down on you.. for hours.. while you are exhausted and hungry and miserable... thats when you can say that you know what its like. When you have given up all your comforts, everything you love and put it on hold when you are told to, when you can be sent away halfway across the world for a year or more, whenever they want, when you cant make a life at home because everything is seen as temporary, then you will know what its like. Otherwise, regardless of who your family is, your just another civilian.

going back to the glorified part... a soldier is willing to give everything, even their life for this country. Accidents happen in every job, but getting maliciously hunted by your enemy is something thats pretty unique to military. As military one of the benefits that I get for willing to live and die for my country is that i get to have a military funeral. Think about that for a second. Im willing to be miserable and possibly cut my life short so that when im dead.. "rotting" as you so nicely put it, that they will show me the recognition for my sacrafice and throw a flag over my coffin and treat it with respect worthy of someone who died prematurely simply for fighting for their country. Glorified?

Personally i think the military, police, EMTs, and firefighters should be treated like the NBA is. All these occupations require you to put the lives of other people above your own when its called for, yet if you look into it, all of these jobs get crap for wages. We obviously arent doing it for the money. And unlike the other occupations i listed, the military doesnt have a Union. Theres nothing that says that we cant go all night with no sleep, nothing that says that we deserve coffee breaks or weekends off and Im not saying there should be. If we fight the good fight and dont get the heavy paycheck that we deserve, is it really that awful to show common respect even admiration for soldiers?

Glorification? Maybe you need to step into a pair of combat boots for a few days.. i think your opinion would change pretty fast.

MissTynker2 wrote:Wow!! Just WOW!! Thank you Missy...some of the most beautiful words I have ever heard!!! Amen!!!! Though we have not always agreed with each others opinions..and that is OK too...we are both entitled to differences...this is one of the most beautiful responses I have EVER read!!Thank you sooo kindly!!!!

Zerohero wrote:To bad it had nothing to do with what I was talking about

ScottE wrote:There may be 1 or 2 posts in this entire thread that have to do with the topic.

Meggie wrote:and this isnt one of them

Zerohero wrote:yea I know that, and they BRINGING the bodies back for that. I'm sure you'd rather have it here than over there wouldn't you?

knightmare wrote: But I really wish some of these Bush's lovers would get off their knees,
get some air, and look around at the decline of the country while he has been in office.

Zerohero wrote:

Mad_Haggis wrote:
Soldiers die in war, it sucks, like people dying of cancer, that sucks too, and if you want to hear my conspiracy theory about this thread, you'll have to wait another 4 beers.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:I'm sure you make the Vets in your family VERY proud.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:To be perfectly honest I'll be buried here in Kuwait if I die before my early retirement. So to answer your question, no.

Bouncer wrote:Share the decoder ring!

BTW, the DoD puts out a daily summary of American casualty counts.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

Lets try and dial the rhetoric back a tad. While an Administration might wish to "lessen" American KIA numbers, the Pentagon is very likely to flat refuse to do so. They take their responsibilities in this extremely seriously.

As to the original story, a uniformed escort is supposed to go with the body from the place where they were killed all the way until they reach home, preferrably either someone from the soldiers unit, or a person from the same hometown. This is precisely to make sure the casket isn't lost, or damaged in the civilian transport system and to make sure the body is treated appropriately at every step in the journey. There is no problem with the caskets travelling in the hold of the commercial aircraft. They are kept seperate from any luggage or parcel containers and they are treated gently by the ground staff and handled in a seperate, special way. We simply do not have the C-130's plus crews to expend on transporting bodies when they have other missions to accomplish. However, the military takes their responsibility in this matter seriously.

The following link takes you to the real story of one such journey.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/04/taking_chance.html

Regards,
-Bouncer-http://primetimecrime.com/Recent/War%20on%20terror/Casualties.htm

Mad_Haggis wrote:Ah, the great American cleansing...

As a Canadian, I'll never know the truth why so many died on Normandy.

Great Britain knows why.

I was a toddler when Nixxon took the troops on the same mission?

I was not reincarnated, nor ever was on the hills of Waterloo!

Zerohero wrote:To bad it had nothing to do with what I was talking about

Zerohero wrote:To bad it had nothing to do with what I was talking about

Zerohero wrote:Don't talk about anyone in my ****ing family

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:I'm sure you make the Vets in your family very proud.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:I'm sure you make the Vets in your family very proud.