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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:40 pm
by Debbie
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:01 pm
by Paft
Roody wrote:I am with you on that Paft, but even if we never went to Iraq the death of Saddam is far from a bad thing. His actions as a leader were appalling. He committed genocide against his own people and did it at an alarming rate. Can't say that I would go out in the streets and party that he is dead, but his death certainly doesn't make me sad.
I never said Saddam wasn't a horrible man. He was, and quite frankly he deserved to be locked away for the rest of his life.
But... cheering? It's just that one thing that shocks me more than anything else. That we, who condemn someone for murder, subsequently cheer
his murder.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:04 pm
by YARDofSTUF
I'd be more likely to cheer for his death than his live in jail.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:09 pm
by Prey521
Paft wrote:I never said Saddam wasn't a horrible man. He was, and quite frankly he deserved to be locked away for the rest of his life.
But... cheering? It's just that one thing that shocks me more than anything else. That we, who condemn someone for murder, subsequently cheer his murder.
Hmmm, he wasn't murdered, you should look up the definition of the word.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:11 pm
by YARDofSTUF
Prey521 wrote:Hmmm, he wasn't murdered.
Depends on the definition, some say unlawful killing, some say intentional killing.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:12 pm
by Paft
Prey521 wrote:Hmmm, he wasn't murdered.
Killing someone, in any form it might come in, is murder.
Bear in mind, you can't logically say that just because the State sanctions it that it is no longer murder, else Saddam's killings weren't murder either - since he was the State.
Edit: Here's a defination for you.
mur·der /ˈmɜrdər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mur-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
2. Slang. something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
3. a group or flock of crows.
–verb (used with object)
4. Law. to kill by an act constituting murder.
5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
6. to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.
–verb (used without object)
7. to commit murder.
—Idioms
8. get away with murder, Informal. to engage in a deplorable activity without incurring harm or punishment: The new baby-sitter lets the kids get away with murder.
9. murder will out, a secret will eventually be exposed.
10. yell or scream bloody murder,
a. to scream loudly in pain, fear, etc.
b. to protest loudly and angrily: If I don't get a good raise I'm going to yell bloody murder.
So yes. By law, it wasn't "murder". Then again, none of the deaths that Saddam caused were either... they
were completely legal under Iraqi law...
Edit 2: I'm not saying that Saddam was justified. *sigh* I realize this could be read like that, and it's not what I mean. It's just a semantics game now more than anything, and I'd rather not play it. Saddam was killed for acts he commited, and then we cheered. That act of celebration is offensive, to me. That's it.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:17 pm
by Prey521
Websters definition:
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
Yeah, so he wasn't murdered and he was a murderer. LOL and the people that he murdered were not brought to trial, found guilty and then executed, then you may have a point. He just killed people on the spot, and that is murder, no if ands or buts about it.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:20 pm
by Paft
Prey521 wrote:Websters definition:
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
Yeah, so he wasn't murdered and he was a murderer. LOL and the people that he murdered were not brought to trial, found guilty and then executed, then you may have a point. He just killed people on the spot, and that is murder, no if ands or buts about it.
*sigh* In a dictatorship, the word of the dictator is law. It was not a democracy. Look throughout history to find plenty of examples of where one person's word was law - any dictatorship or monarchy will do just fine for that.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:22 pm
by Prey521
OK, so Saddam never "murdered" anyone, gotcha
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:31 pm
by YARDofSTUF
Prey521 wrote:OK, so Saddam never "murdered" anyone, gotcha
He did if you use my definition
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:40 pm
by knightmare
I'd rather celebrate a real war criminal being brought to justice---Bush, Blair, Cheney......
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:49 pm
by Prey521
lol
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:50 pm
by Leatherneck
I can't even find the words in response to some of the drivel in this thread.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:53 pm
by Roody
Paft wrote:I never said Saddam wasn't a horrible man. He was, and quite frankly he deserved to be locked away for the rest of his life.
But... cheering? It's just that one thing that shocks me more than anything else. That we, who condemn someone for murder, subsequently cheer his murder.
Yeah I know you didn't. I was just wanting to put all the posts in perspective.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:53 pm
by Prey521
bigmo66 wrote:I can't even find the words in response to some of the drivel in this thread.
I'll take care of it for ya
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:54 pm
by Roody
Just saw the footage of his hanging. Not really appropriate probably to post publicly, but if it's your thing to see it drop me a PM.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:20 pm
by knightmare
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:26 pm
by downhill
It was only a matter of time.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:27 pm
by tHE_0ne
video link?
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:03 pm
by knightmare
downhill wrote:It was only a matter of time.
question authority== finding the truth
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:12 pm
by Roody
tHE_0ne wrote:video link?
I just saw an established news site link to it so I suppose it's no biggee to post it here.
http://one.revver.com/watch/130549
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:44 pm
by JawZ
bigmo66 wrote:I can't even find the words in response to some of the drivel in this thread.
Good, we didn't want you to add to it anyway....pablum doesn't mix with drivel.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:44 pm
by Prey521
Not as graphic as I thought it would be.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:54 pm
by Prey521
LOL
I'm lookin for a 1080i broadcast to pump it out to one of my big screens
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:05 pm
by Prey521
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:41 pm
by koldchillah
What saddens me most of this entire situation is the fact that we as humans still find it appropriate to lower our standards to that of the very "monsters" we choose to destroy, regardless of lawfulness. Then to parlay the matter, we turn around and soak ourselves in vengeful celebration that completely wreaks of the very same subliminal hatred we continue to oppose.
Mankind suffers a tragic weakness to vengeance. If mankind has any focus on morality whatsoever, then perhaps after a few more generations of this ongoing barbarism more of us will begin to view the hypocrisy of the death penalty with clear distaste. Afterall, we do consider ourselves "civilized", don't we?
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:03 am
by Brk
What Would Jesus Do? Probably not seek out online video of Saddam's execution and then high-five his college football fanatic, beer-guzzling, war-gives-me-a-boner buddies in celebration.
Read some more of the Left Behind tripe and fellate Rick Warren while you can, there aren't many microbreweries in hell.
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:09 am
by Prey521
LOL Burke, your vernacular is matched by very very few!
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:13 pm
by Gixxer
sito wrote:You put him in power and removed him? eh? still don't get it?
NM
i did not put him amywhere
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:22 pm
by YARDofSTUF
Gixxer wrote:i did not put him amywhere
Pretty sure by you he meant the US.
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:23 pm
by YARDofSTUF
Burke wrote:What Would Jesus Do? Probably not seek out online video of Saddam's execution and then high-five his college football fanatic, beer-guzzling, war-gives-me-a-boner buddies in celebration.
Read some more of the Left Behind tripe and fellate Rick Warren while you can, there aren't many microbreweries in hell.
A+ read
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:18 pm
by Izzo
Prey521 wrote:LOL Burke, your vernacular is matched by very very few!
He is to words ....what you are to reposts
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:26 pm
by Prey521
