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knightmare wrote:True, there was Reagan, Bush sr...... nah, your right it is the sign of the times.
I just can't understand why intelligent people on this forum, back him.

Sometimes intelligence sees beyond what's right in front of you...Backing any political figure is very hard for me to do, but i do believe that our country needs to recognize the message we send the world by appearing so dishevelled(thanks spell check) and confused. When we have people in this country speaking out publicly for the world to see about our leader(s) it makes us look weak and the weaker we look the bigger the bulls eye gets.

You can bet your bottom dollar that i'm not the only one(ie China, N. Korea, etc) that sees America getting weaker by the day. The more i see Christ being taken out of our everyday lives, the weaker we get.

Prey521 wrote:This is like all the conspiracy theory idiots and the plane that DIDN'T hit the Pentagon. If a lot more soldiers were dead, we would know because the families would be coming out the woodworks.

Special Forces deaths are not reported...accurately. They often die in 'training missions' and such...but they are also a small percentage of the forces.

I know we've lost either 5 or 7 service members in our County alone. I'm sure those numbers are way up there compared to what were being told.

I just wish we as american citizens, could force this administration to tell the truth in everything it does. Yeah I know, keep fantasizing.

Meggie wrote:why would soldiers take offense to someone saying that they think more have died than have been reported?

Meggie, that was only part of it..It's the part about coffins enroute to home, without flags and without cerimony....

With no provided link. I agree wholeheartedly with Kip. It's disrespectful to say the least.

Those who disagree with this, may certainly send a red nasty my way.

There ISN'T anyway that our servicemen who died in service to their country, are being treated in a disrespectful manner. It wouldn't take a loyal military to jump all OVER the Whitehouse over this.


Other than that, why are you jumping on Kip? He's on your side...

downhill wrote:Meggie, that was only part of it..It's the part about coffins enroute to home, without flags and without cerimony....

With no provided link. I agree wholeheartedly with Kip. It's disrespectful to say the least.

Those who disagee with this, may certianly send a red nasty my way.

There ISN'T anyway that our servicemen who died in service to their country, are being treated in a disrespectful manner. It wouldn't take a loyal military to jump all OVER the Whitehouse over this.

Did you read the article DH????

Did it sound like respect?

Yep, I read it and I'd like to see more before I make up my mind. I'd like to think of this as an isolated incident. One that should never have happened.

Again, and Izzo posted it already, there are leaked pics that don't substantiate that story as far as coffins not being flag drapped.

downhill wrote:Yep, I read it and I'd like to see more before I make up my mind. I'd like to think of this as an isolated incident. One that should never have happened.

Again, and Izzo posted it already, there are leaked pics that don't substantiate that story as far as coffins not being flag drapped.

that was 2004--leaked pics
this is 2005
almost 2006




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... DT0530.DTL

downhill wrote:Yep, I read it and I'd like to see more before I make up my mind. I'd like to think of this as an isolated incident. One that should never have happened.

Again, and Izzo posted it already, there are leaked pics that don't substantiate that story as far as coffins not being flag drapped.

That was posted more or less because it shows that pic of them being all respectful and all but thats not what the people in the article got.

just passing through......

Today equalled the 14 year high of our dollar to the
US. Get your **** together otherwise our exports will suffer. Right after the US honors nafta. lmfao

Hi

With all the political shuffle here that I'm sure non of yo know or care about, we had some southern politician suggest we best shut up or face the consequence about our softwood trade dispute, but said nothing of nafta, that was signed, sealed, delivered.

It must be nice to pick and choose your contracts with other countries. Honor them if ya feel like it...

knightmare wrote:Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners

http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html


SAN DIEGO -- There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.

A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.
Click here to find out more!

John Holley and his wife, Stacey, were stunned when they found out the body of their only child, Matthew John Holley, who died in Iraq last month, would be arriving at Lindbergh Field as freight.

Matthew was a medic with the 101st Airborne unit and died on Nov. 15.

"When someone dies in combat, they need to give them due respect they deserve for (the) sacrifice they made," said John Holley.

John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.

"Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge," said Stacey Holley.

The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.

The bodies of dead service members arrive at Dover Air Force Base.

From that point, they are sent to their families on commercial airliners.

Reporters from 10News called the Defense Department for an explanation. A representative said she did not know why this is happening.

They're just liberal hippy types. They don't coun't.

Now that you now know what's going on in the world, some only a few miles away. I'll go to bed now. Thank you for the opportunity or freedom of speech if you will.

Whats the big deal? It's not like their some achient artifact, its rotting flesh. The only people who should be upset are the people who get the items stored along side them. Last time I check ,all the relatives that did didn't get sent to me in a GOLDEN PACKAGE EITHER....

knightmare wrote:way people do not get alarmed at the real body count, which is probably more around 20,000 than 2000.

2,752

knightmare wrote:Bodies Sent To Families On Commercial Airliners

http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html


SAN DIEGO -- There's controversy over how the military is transporting the bodies of service members killed overseas, 10News reported.

A local family said fallen soldiers and Marines deserve better and that one would think our war heroes are being transported with dignity, care and respect. It said one would think upon arrival in their hometowns they are greeted with honor. But unfortunately, the family said that is just not the case.

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.
Click here to find out more!

John Holley and his wife, Stacey, were stunned when they found out the body of their only child, Matthew John Holley, who died in Iraq last month, would be arriving at Lindbergh Field as freight.

Matthew was a medic with the 101st Airborne unit and died on Nov. 15.

"When someone dies in combat, they need to give them due respect they deserve for (the) sacrifice they made," said John Holley.

John and Stacey Holley, who were both in the Army, made some calls, and with the help of U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, Matthew was greeted with honor and respect.

"Our familiarity with military protocol and things of that sort allowed us to kind of put our foot down -- we're not sure other parents have that same knowledge," said Stacey Holley.

The Holleys now want to make sure every fallen hero gets the proper welcome.

The bodies of dead service members arrive at Dover Air Force Base.

From that point, they are sent to their families on commercial airliners.

Reporters from 10News called the Defense Department for an explanation. A representative said she did not know why this is happening.

I would like to say condolences to all the fallen service members.

As for the body count i will not make a statement towards, as one fallen service member is to much. But everybody knows that it is possible once you sign the dotted line and take the oath to defend freedom.

What the Holley family stated was, that the majority of the fallen Service Members families do not know the protocol to request an honor guard be present when the deceased arrives at there home town.

If it is not stated in the fallen service members will or requested by the fallen service members family for a Military funeral it is assusmed that the fallen service members family wants a traditional funeral.

I agree with the Holley's that there should be more done to assist the fallen service members families with the arrangements of the honor guard and the military funeral.

Hopefully that will help clear somethings up.

BaghDaddy wrote:I would like to say condolences to all the fallen service members.

As for the body count i will not make a statement towards, as one fallen service member is to much. But everybody knows that it is possible once you sign the dotted line and take the oath to defend freedom.

What the Holley family stated was, that the majority of the fallen Service Members families do not know the protocol to request an honor guard be present when the deceased arrives at there home town.

If it is not stated in the fallen service members will or requested by the fallen service members family for a Military funeral it is assusmed that the fallen service members family wants a traditional funeral.

I agree with the Holley's that there should be more done to assist the fallen service members families with the arrangements of the honor guard and the military funeral.

Hopefully that will help clear somethings up.

Hi Larry!

If a Construction Worker died today, his body would not be sent home in the prettiest bag, and the nicest car. And he would not be glorified for his work. I think soldiers are to glorified in our country sometimes.

Zerohero wrote:If a Construction Worker died today, his body would not be sent home in the prettiest bag, and the nicest car. And he would not be glorified for his work. I think soldiers are to glorified in our country sometimes.

Lets define the two shall we....hmmmm Construction Worker...United States Soldier.....go blow yourself.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Hi Larry!

Hey Buddy stay safe

Zerohero wrote:If a Construction Worker died today, his body would not be sent home in the prettiest bag, and the nicest car. And he would not be glorified for his work. I think soldiers are to glorified in our country sometimes.

Theres a huge difference between a citizen working construction and a soldier fighting for us.

Soldiers deserve more than they get.

[quote="BaghDaddy"]Hey Buddy stay safe ]
You too. Happy Holidays.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Lets define the two shall we....hmmmm Construction Worker...United States Soldier.....go blow yourself.

And once again one is more glorified. Most kids when they see stuff like that think it's awsome to go out in a blaze of "glory". War is nothing like the movies. And for the record, you wouldn't be driving to work if not for the people who've spend countless hours, and many have died making those roads. Do a little research and you'll see.

Zerohero wrote:And once again one is more glorified. Most kids when they see stuff like that think it's awsome to go out in a blaze of "glory". War is nothing like the movies. And for the record, you wouldn't be driving to work if not for the people who've spend countless hours, and many have died making those roads. Do a little research and you'll see.

It's still not the same. Comparing a Construction Worker to a Fighting man or woman is like calling the Prime Minister of Canada the ruler of the free world.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Theres a huge difference between a citizen working construction and a soldier fighting for us.

Soldiers deserve more than they get.

No one says they don't get respect, I'm saying they are heavily glorified in media, and in movies to an extreme. A false extreme mostly. Saving Privite Ryan is the only movie the shows the life of a soldier how it really would. It's not all guns and glory.

Once people put their lives on the line that are not soldiers , and when they die you rarely hear of it. I'm not saying they don't deserve some support and respect. I'm saying in certain cases we over glorify them. And my uncle served in vietnam, he got mentally scared for life, and they barely gave him anything. So no, sorry I dont jump on the lets become a solder and fight band wagon to easy. I only would join up if absolutely necessary.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:It's still not the same. Comparing a Construction Worker to a Fighting man or woman is like calling the Prime Minister of Canada the ruler of the free world.

Your still missing the point, they are going to extremes to the fact that they want people dead bodies specially secured in golden packages or what ever. My Grandfather died working for this country his whole life and got a regular funeral.. His boy bag didn't get any special treatment either. The did the best thing and thats make sure it gets back to the family. End of story.

Zerohero wrote:No one says they don't get respect, I'm saying they are heavily glorified in media, and in movies to an extreme. A false extreme mostly. Saving Privite Ryan is the only movie the shows the life of a soldier how it really would. It's not all guns and glory.

Once people put their lives on the line that are not soldiers , and when they die you rarely hear of it. I'm not saying they don't deserve some support and respect. I'm saying in certain cases we over glorify them. And my uncle served in vietnam, he got mentally scared for life, and they barely gave him anything. So no, sorry I dont jump on the lets become a solder and fight band wagon to easy. I only would join up if absolutely necessary.

Movies glorify lots of things, and no saving private ryan isnt the only one to show a reality of it.

I dont see us over glorifying soldiers.

Zerohero wrote:Your still missing the point, they are going to extremes to the fact that they want people dead bodies specially secured in golden packages or what ever. My Grandfather died working for this country his whole life and got a regular funeral.. His boy bag didn't get any special treatment either. The did the best thing and thats make sure it gets back to the family. End of story.

Working for yourself and your family is great but not considered glorified as a Fighting Soldier laying down his/her life for his country. End of story

Zerohero wrote:Your still missing the point, they are going to extremes to the fact that they want people dead bodies specially secured in golden packages or what ever. My Grandfather died working for this country his whole life and got a regular funeral.. His boy bag didn't get any special treatment either. The did the best thing and thats make sure it gets back to the family. End of story.

When I die I will get my flag drapped coffin. It's one of the perks ya get when you defend this country. If you get a much better life insurance plan you can presuade the insurance broker to throw a flag on your coffin.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:Working for yourself and your family is great but not considered glorified as a Fighting Soldier laying down his/her life for his country. End of story

Yea and when My uncle got mentaly scared for life, i think it HEAVILY qualifies as laying down your life. I've had to many relatives serve and then uncle same treat them like "sheet" so I'm not gonna cry because some body bags are being flown over in a air plan. The fact the body bags are comming back is actually something to be thankfull for, because not everyone recieves that.

Zerohero wrote:Your still missing the point, they are going to extremes to the fact that they want people dead bodies specially secured in golden packages or what ever. My Grandfather died working for this country his whole life and got a regular funeral.. His boy bag didn't get any special treatment either. The did the best thing and thats make sure it gets back to the family. End of story.

He worked for the country or for hiself and his family?

Its different when a soldier dies. Its not like working a regular job where theres an accident and someone got killed. Soldeirs have to face war, and possible being captured as POWs and know that in war, people are gonna die, even if everything goes right. A regular worker goes home after work, gets breaks and a lunch, enjoys all the modern comforst and gets to see his family too.

Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote:When I die I will get my flag drapped coffin. It's one of the perks ya get when you defend this country. If you get a much better life insurance plan you can presuade the insurance broker to throw a flag on your coffin.

Yea, and so will my father who served if he chooses. Like i said, I don't disrespect any of the soldiers, I just think people are getting alittle out of hand when particular cases like this come up. They are bring the bodies back so you CAN have a funeral, at least some of you get to have one for you fallen relatives is my point.

Zerohero wrote:Yea and when My uncle got mentaly scared for life, i think it HEAVILY qualifies as laying down your life. I've had to many relatives serve and then uncle same treat them like "sheet" so I'm not gonna cry because some body bags are being flown over in a air plan. The fact the body bags are comming back is actually something to be thankfull for, because not everyone recieves that.

Sorry for your Uncle but he didn't die so no flag on his coffin. Your missing the point altogether. when a soldier dies in combat they are to be treated with the highest respect...flagged draped coffin...21 gun salute...the whole shabang.

I'd like to apologize to the forum for my overboard posts last night.

While I don't want to offer a lame excuse, I had just returned home from a cancer biopsy and was letting my emotions, discomfort, and medication speak for me.

Let's hope that the deaths of soldiers are not being understated or misreported.

Kip Patterson wrote:I'd like to apologize to the forum for my overboard posts last night.

While I don't want to offer a lame excuse, I had just returned home from a cancer biopsy and was letting my emotions, discomfort, and medication speak for me.

Let's hope that the deaths of soldiers are not being understated or misreported.

Hey Kip

Hope you are feeling better.

I'm feeling pretty good now. The seven-day wait is not going to be fun, however.

Zerohero wrote:If a Construction Worker died today, his body would not be sent home in the prettiest bag, and the nicest car. And he would not be glorified for his work. I think soldiers are to glorified in our country sometimes.

If anything i think soldiers are seen as hollywood, if thats what you mean by glorified then i will agree with you, if thats not what you mean i couldnt disagree with you more.

Ive had people treat me pretty ****ty because I wear this uniform, people i dont even know on the street saying bad stuff to me. My life has been a rollarcoaster these past few months with getting ready for deployment then, having the mission canceled, then having most of my friends leave to go with an infantry unit that i cant go with because im female. Im going to have to say goodbye to the majority of my friends in a couple weeks.. say goodbye so they can go over there and get shot at, live in less then ideal conditions and be hated by the locals and maybe come back in one of those coffins.

I realize that you have family in the military.. Im sorry but that does not give you an acurate picture of what its truley like to be a soldier or a marine or anything else. When you are sitting in a muddy hole, shivering, while rain pours down on you.. for hours.. while you are exhausted and hungry and miserable... thats when you can say that you know what its like. When you have given up all your comforts, everything you love and put it on hold when you are told to, when you can be sent away halfway across the world for a year or more, whenever they want, when you cant make a life at home because everything is seen as temporary, then you will know what its like. Otherwise, regardless of who your family is, your just another civilian.

going back to the glorified part... a soldier is willing to give everything, even their life for this country. Accidents happen in every job, but getting maliciously hunted by your enemy is something thats pretty unique to military. As military one of the benefits that I get for willing to live and die for my country is that i get to have a military funeral. Think about that for a second. Im willing to be miserable and possibly cut my life short so that when im dead.. "rotting" as you so nicely put it, that they will show me the recognition for my sacrafice and throw a flag over my coffin and treat it with respect worthy of someone who died prematurely simply for fighting for their country. Glorified?

Personally i think the military, police, EMTs, and firefighters should be treated like the NBA is. All these occupations require you to put the lives of other people above your own when its called for, yet if you look into it, all of these jobs get crap for wages. We obviously arent doing it for the money. And unlike the other occupations i listed, the military doesnt have a Union. Theres nothing that says that we cant go all night with no sleep, nothing that says that we deserve coffee breaks or weekends off and Im not saying there should be. If we fight the good fight and dont get the heavy paycheck that we deserve, is it really that awful to show common respect even admiration for soldiers?

Glorification? Maybe you need to step into a pair of combat boots for a few days.. i think your opinion would change pretty fast.

Kip Patterson wrote:I'm feeling pretty good now. The seven-day wait is not going to be fun, however.

Seven-day wait? You don't need no stinking seven-day wait. All you need is cash up front!