I hate linux part II

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:39 pm

cyberskye wrote:I thought you understood about the named.conf - it isn't created until you run the front end app - per Tony's linkage

nope, no idea... i tried Tony's suggestion but yet again got another error..gave up for the night and had to work.... as you can tell i have a loooong way to go....believe me when i say i really wish this came easier for me.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:15 am

Just curious, why do you need a dns server anyway? To run your own home server you do not need a dns server.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:13 am

TonyT wrote:Just curious, why do you need a dns server anyway? To run your own home server you do not need a dns server.

It's a project for class that I need help with. I'm just looking for a point in the right direction...it's really a long story.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:25 am

mmione wrote:I also recommend Ubuntu, very very easy. All you have to do is sudo apt-get install firefox, its built in anyways. Just try it, also on there website they send you free install cds/live cds, unlimited amount.

Actually I'm finding it to be very UNEASY. I want to replace 1.0.7, but using aptget it tells me that 1.0.7 is the latest.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:43 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Actually I'm finding it to be very UNEASY. I want to replace 1.0.7, but using aptget it tells me that 1.0.7 is the latest.

now that i know how just download and install it from teh directory ...then remember to change the path for the shortcut...done

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:52 am

Izzo wrote:now that i know how just download and install it from teh directory ...then remember to change the path for the shortcut...done

You know, I dont! lol

I get similar errors to you, but im not running mandriva.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:00 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:You know, I dont! lol

I get similar errors to you, but im not running mandriva.

should work the same way ... I need to download/update an so file ..similar to a .dll

this little site for mandriva made it easy

http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/

surprised ubuntu doesn't have offer something similar....of course i havent bothered looking......twas was easy as copying and posting the code from that site

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:08 am

Izzo wrote:should work the same way ... I need to download/update an so file ..similar to a .dll

this little site for mandriva made it easy

http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/

Well that site doesnt look like it'll help me.

I wanna give Ubuntu a fair shot, but problems like i've had with this are just gonna have me throw suse back on.

So did you eventually get an rpm for firefox from that site or did you use the tarball from mozilla's site?

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:18 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Well that site doesnt look like it'll help me.

I wanna give Ubuntu a fair shot, but problems like i've had with this are just gonna have me throw suse back on.

So did you eventually get an rpm for firefox from that site or did you use the tarball from mozilla's site?

I used the tarball from the site.

cd/ to the firefox directory then ran it ...ya that site isn't gonna help you but thought Ubuntu might have something similar...

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:21 am

I get an error message

/firefox-bin : error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file : no such file or directory

I get that when i do that as well, so how did you remedy it?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:22 am

And I found an RPm and it comes up as an unsupported archive? Grrrrr.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:34 am

oops thats not my error.

"libmozjs.so is my file error.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:09 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:oops thats not my error.

"libmozjs.so is my file error.

looks similar .... all I did was urpmi xxxxx.so and it downloaded it ...ran ... i tried to install FF after and it worked ...

try an "apt-get" file name.so and see what happens...lol

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:26 pm

I still can't get my DNS thing working so don't feel too bad....

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:28 pm

Izzo wrote:looks similar .... all I did was urpmi xxxxx.so and it downloaded it ...ran ... i tried to install FF after and it worked ...

try an "apt-get" file name.so and see what happens...lol

lol couldnt find it.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:23 pm

Ubuntu integrates FF in for other things. Not a simple install it seems.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:13 pm

Yard you need to enable the universe repositoies

Copy this into your sources.lst file

from terminal

sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
or
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse

deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ breezy-extras main restricted universe multiverse

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:54 pm

Oh after you do that do this

sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

That should get it upgraded automatically

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:56 pm

What does that all mean?

I cant actaully try it though, cuz I just wiped the partition

But would that have unlocked all the integration junk?

Gonna give slackware a shot now.

Ubuntu gets all these great reviews from people, but its so dumbed down on the install it annoys me, never setup a root account and password, so I cant login to that.

The file browser cant list a simple path in an address bar, I'm in /home and it says home, i goto /home/alan and it says home, I goto /home/alan/desktop and it says desktop, then i go back and it says /alan LOL

Cpu ID1 is apparently CPU1 and ID2 is CPU0 for F@H, WTF?

Color scheme is pretty bad too.

But there were some pluses, I liked the screensavers it had, and this is the first thing made off of debian that FINALLY would launch X without a problem, every other debian based linux I have tried has never liked my ti4200 or ati 8500, other versions of linux never ahd a prob, but debian always did, maybe they finally updated their driver package, or ubuntu did, dunno, but thats promising.

Oh, thanks for letting me hijack this Izzo

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:40 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:What does that all mean?

I cant actaully try it though, cuz I just wiped the partition But would that have unlocked all the integration junk?

Gonna give slackware a shot now.

Ubuntu gets all these great reviews from people, but its so dumbed down on the install it annoys me, never setup a root account and password, so I cant login to that.

The file browser cant list a simple path in an address bar, I'm in /home and it says home, i goto /home/alan and it says home, I goto /home/alan/desktop and it says desktop, then i go back and it says /alan LOL

Cpu ID1 is apparently CPU1 and ID2 is CPU0 for F@H, WTF?

Color scheme is pretty bad too.

But there were some pluses, I liked the screensavers it had, and this is the first thing made off of debian that FINALLY would launch X without a problem, every other debian based linux I have tried has never liked my ti4200 or ati 8500, other versions of linux never ahd a prob, but debian always did, maybe they finally updated their driver package, or ubuntu did, dunno, but thats promising.

Oh, thanks for letting me hijack this Izzo

I ain't quoting all that

It's all unlocked, that gives you more software and the latest stuff out there.

I'm running Debian Etch now

Ubuntu install a root account by default, you merley type sudo in command line for "super user do".

the file browser always defaults to the home of the user logged in like windows my document's.

Confused cpu's

Color is changable

Ati is finally allowing linux to use it's drivers to be distributed with the OS. I have a ati card and its a real pain if you don't know how to edit the xorg or xfree files.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:47 pm

Sid wrote:Ubuntu install a root account by default, you merley type sudo in command line for "super user do".

It may set one up, but I never was instructed to give it a password, and the one I made for my user account didnt work for root.

I know it defaults to the home of the user, but it doesnt correctly list the directory im in until i goto anotehr folder adn then hit back, PITA when im in terminal and "think" im typing the right path.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:58 pm

YARDofSTUF wrote:It may set one up, but I never was instructed to give it a password, and the one I made for my user account didnt work for root.

I know it defaults to the home of the user, but it doesnt correctly list the directory im in until i goto anotehr folder adn then hit back, PITA when im in terminal and "think" im typing the right path.

"sudo passwd root" to change the password and the user password setup at install is the root password

LOL, just takes some time to get used to.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:01 pm

Sid wrote:"sudo passwd root" to change the password and the user password setup at install is the root password

LOL, just takes some time to get used to.

ok that changes it, but your saying that the password for my user account is the root password, by default?

EDIT: Slackware is gone, for the moment, since ubuntu is debian based and debian never liekd my card, im now trying to load debain to see if it'll take now. Debians apt-get is a much nicer way of integrating a new kernel, unlike slackware with having to compile.

Leatherneck · Post by **Leatherneck** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:28 am

greEd wrote:It's all very simple once you get used to it. Trust me.

That's what I told my wife about DOS when she married me and my PC! She used a MAC exclusively beforehand.

I had Ubuntu on a box for a while and my kids liked the retro games like G-nibbles, tetravex and stuff, but I too found it cumbersome installing apps. I re-visit various installs from time to time because I do have an interest.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:17 am

bigmo66 wrote:That's what I told my wife about DOS when she married me and my PC! She used a MAC exclusively beforehand.

I had Ubuntu on a box for a while and my kids liked the retro games like G-nibbles, tetravex and stuff, but I too found it cumbersome installing apps. I re-visit various installs from time to time because I do have an interest.

It really is a pain the ass ...I guess i've ben spoiled by teh gui ...i mean to install firefox was a pain ...to get DNS working even more so...I've given up on that ..I mean to get anything running you gotta fart with 80000 different config files or read 50000 pages of documentation that isn't clear to begin with ...

Sid · Post by **Sid** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:43 pm

Izzo wrote:It really is a pain the ass ...I guess i've ben spoiled by teh gui ...i mean to install firefox was a pain ...to get DNS working even more so...I've given up on that ..I mean to get anything running you gotta fart with 80000 different config files or read 50000 pages of documentation that isn't clear to begin with ...

Oh, common now, it's not that bad

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:55 pm

Sid wrote:Oh, common now, it's not that bad

pretty close.

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:23 pm

Izzo wrote:It really is a pain the ass ...I guess i've ben spoiled by teh gui ...i mean to install firefox was a pain ...to get DNS working even more so...I've given up on that ..I mean to get anything running you gotta fart with 80000 different config files or read 50000 pages of documentation that isn't clear to begin with ...

Izz - you have realize that you are setting up services - not sure your professional IT background, but setting up a server generally requires a little more complicated steps than getting a desktop going.

I would not personally run a DNS server at home - host file is much better application. Some of the older systems on the net are very manual - DNS, Sendmail, Apache - and have config files all over.

One reason I like the BSDs a little better than linux is the docs. OpenBSD has some of the best documentation out there.

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:30 pm

cyberskye wrote:Izz - you have realize that you are setting up services - not sure your professional IT background, but setting up a server generally requires a little more complicated steps than getting a desktop going.

I would not personally run a DNS server at home - host file is much better application. Some of the older systems on the net are very manual - DNS, Sendmail, Apache - and have config files all over.

One reason I like the BSDs a little better than linux is the docs. OpenBSD has some of the best documentation out there.

I have zero background ... I learn on the fly .... this DNS thing is simply a class project ...I have a piss poor instructor that take days to respond to questions .... there is little to no lab time and my time at home is limited to when my children are sleeping so i have non stop study time ... i basically said screw it ...took the 15 point loss and decided i'd try and pick it up elsewhere.

edit> and yeah ...this 'project' is 3 parts ...DNS, Sendmail and Apache....

I'm certainly not trying to set up a full time DNS server at home ..I have no interest in doing so.... was prety much just doing it for the class just to know how to do it and then move on ....

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:48 pm

Izzo wrote:I have zero background ... I learn on the fly .... this DNS thing is simply a class project ...I have a piss poor instructor that take days to respond to questions .... there is little to no lab time and my time at home is limited to when my children are sleeping so i have non stop study time ... i basically said screw it ...took the 15 point loss and decided i'd try and pick it up elsewhere.

edit> and yeah ...this 'project' is 3 parts ...DNS, Sendmail and Apache....

I'm certainly not trying to set up a full time DNS server at home ..I have no interest in doing so.... was prety much just doing it for the class just to know how to do it and then move on ....

I understand - just pointing out that some desktop installation/configuration tasks are far more simple (exception possibly X) than some of hte things you have been trying. Firefox notwithstanding

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:26 pm

cyberskye wrote:I understand - just pointing out that some desktop installation/configuration tasks are far more simple (exception possibly X) than some of hte things you have been trying. Firefox notwithstanding

Sure....it seems that where I search though there are 6 different version of what I need to do ....prolly due to all the distros out ...

cyberskye · Post by **cyberskye** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:26 pm

Izzo wrote:Sure....it seems that where I search though there are 6 different version of what I need to do ....prolly due to all the distros out ...

Very true - again, this is why I prefer the BSDs for servers. THey have 'official' teams that perform each function (coding, docs, etc) so there is consistency and a 'single source'.

This is why Redhat and SuSe doi well - they offer docs specific to their distro and support the same.