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His getting into office was a gigantic mistake. Look at the crap he's trying to pull - national healthcare, two-faced "relations improving" with other countries while still remaining at war, ignoring the deficit of the country so that he can put useless craptastic programs in place, keeping NCLB (no child left behind) in place and not even addressing how it's destroying the national public school system, forcing states to put new laws on the books (taking away more states rights, typical socialist bullshit) by taking needed federal funding for the interstate system away if they don't...

Yeah. Screw Obama. And the democrats. Screw them long and hard - I'm voting Republican next election just to get his lame-duck, useless, socialist ass out of the white house. Screw Obama.

Although I don't share your sentiment I have been unhappy with a few things Obama has done while in office so far. Remains to be seen if/when he possibly addresses those concerns, but I am willing to give him some time. Hopefully he doesn't disappoint.

Paft wrote:His getting into office was a gigantic mistake. Look at the crap he's trying to pull - national healthcare, two-faced "relations improving" with other countries while still remaining at war, ignoring the deficit of the country so that he can put useless craptastic programs in place, keeping NCLB (no child left behind) in place and not even addressing how it's destroying the national public school system, forcing states to put new laws on the books (taking away more states rights, typical socialist bullshit) by taking needed federal funding for the interstate system away if they don't...

Yeah. Screw Obama. And the democrats. Screw them long and hard - I'm voting Republican next election just to get his lame-duck, useless, socialist ass out of the white house. Screw Obama.

he's the leader of the biggest and best financed sleeper cell in history

Dan wrote:he's the leader of the biggest and best financed sleeper cell in history

OMG... pretty much. I have bitten (bit??) my tongue so many times this year, trying to to be receptive of new ideas, things I hadn't thought of. New concepts- a different perspective. I really, really have tried to be objective about this, but Oh My God (yes- I said God.... can you imagine it?). I t is frightening. Don't people realize the path this President wants to follow? The left is euphoric over this guy. How about his desire to end summer vacation for schools? WTF???? The children need more time in school... yeah, right- that's the answer. Oh wait, that means more school employees and higher school salaries. And don't even start on this rah-rah Health Care debacle. The people who PAY for this country need to wake up, and soon!

i told ya so
and they called me a racist

As I said a while back.. only 1 term and he's gone.

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typical... vote him in for no special reason and then its regret time.

Roody wrote: Hopefully he doesn't disappoint.

Don't you mean "disappoint even more than he already has"?

Sava700 wrote: typical... vote him in for no special reason and then its regret time.

Its not like the Senile and Sheltered ticket was that promising.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Its not like the Senile and Sheltered ticket was that promising.

Palin was the only one between both tickets that wasn't a closet Socialist. Probably would've been the same with McCain, only a lot more gradual than how Obama's going about it.

Edit - Let me know call Obama a closet Socialist, since he made it pretty obvious that he was a full fledged Socialist and didn't try to hide it.

Paft wrote:His getting into office was a gigantic mistake. Look at the crap he's trying to pull - national healthcare, two-faced "relations improving" with other countries while still remaining at war, ignoring the deficit of the country so that he can put useless craptastic programs in place, keeping NCLB (no child left behind) in place and not even addressing how it's destroying the national public school system, forcing states to put new laws on the books (taking away more states rights, typical socialist bullshit) by taking needed federal funding for the interstate system away if they don't...

Yeah. Screw Obama. And the democrats. Screw them long and hard - I'm voting Republican next election just to get his lame-duck, useless, socialist ass out of the white house. Screw Obama.

I am sure you'll bitch about the next one also

JBrazen wrote:Don't you mean "disappoint even more than he already has"?

No because compared to the last guy he hasn't even come close in my view.

Guys guys guys, it's all about the Billionaire Boys Club and their lust for a one world economy and government. Party lines don't mean a thing.

I voted Republican!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

or

The King is dead. Long live the King!

Roody wrote:No because compared to the last guy he hasn't even come close in my view.

Yet if we keep the comparisons to "first year in office"...Bush began his term with fairly good ratings. The ratings rose to approx 90% approval within a year. He closed his first time remaining quite popular. His decline didn't begin until towards the middle of his second term.

Lets look at Obamas ratings so far this year.....yeah, tumbling....tumbling down. Oh boy....that's not a declining hill..that's a cliff!

He's on track to succeed at something I'm sure..and that's smashing GWBs record as departing the presidency with the worst ratings ever.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yet if we keep the comparisons to "first year in office"...Bush began his term with fairly good ratings. The ratings rose to approx 90% approval within a year. He closed his first time remaining quite popular. His decline didn't begin until towards the middle of his second term.

Lets look at Obamas ratings so far this year.....yeah, tumbling....tumbling down. Oh boy....that's not a declining hill..that's a cliff!

He's on track to succeed at something I'm sure..and that's smashing GWBs record as departing the presidency with the worst ratings ever.

Yep..and only for 1 term!

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yet if we keep the comparisons to "first year in office"...Bush began his term with fairly good ratings. The ratings rose to approx 90% approval within a year. He closed his first time remaining quite popular. His decline didn't begin until towards the middle of his second term.

Lets look at Obamas ratings so far this year.....yeah, tumbling....tumbling down. Oh boy....that's not a declining hill..that's a cliff!

He's on track to succeed at something I'm sure..and that's smashing GWBs record as departing the presidency with the worst ratings ever.

Well he was on vacation for something like nine months of his first year

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yet if we keep the comparisons to "first year in office"...Bush began his term with fairly good ratings. The ratings rose to approx 90% approval within a year. He closed his first time remaining quite popular. His decline didn't begin until towards the middle of his second term.

Lets look at Obamas ratings so far this year.....yeah, tumbling....tumbling down. Oh boy....that's not a declining hill..that's a cliff!

He's on track to succeed at something I'm sure..and that's smashing GWBs record as departing the presidency with the worst ratings ever.

First off his ratings are pretty solid for a first year President as history has shown. Some did better and some benefitted from bad moments in our history. Ultimately though it's how you finish that matters and you know as well as I do man that Bush crashed and burned like few others.

Ultimately I want to see Obama do well because a successful President usually means a successful country.

De Plano wrote:Well he was on vacation for something like nine months of his first year

What was the final tally for time spent away from Washington. I know it was the highest ever and I thought I read it was something like 2 or 3 years of his Presidency was spent in Texas?

Correct me if I am wrong.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yet if we keep the comparisons to "first year in office"...Bush began his term with fairly good ratings. The ratings rose to approx 90% approval within a year. He closed his first time remaining quite popular. His decline didn't begin until towards the middle of his second term.

Lets look at Obamas ratings so far this year.....yeah, tumbling....tumbling down. Oh boy....that's not a declining hill..that's a cliff!

He's on track to succeed at something I'm sure..and that's smashing GWBs record as departing the presidency with the worst ratings ever.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... eout/print

Neither 9-11, nor the ensuing hostilities hurt is ratings. Such diversions have helped Dems and Republicans alike.

Obama was saddled with an economic meltdown and rising unemployment, not of his doing. As much as it might aggravate the rather vociferous Republican pundits, the GOP was pitched out for a reason, and it will take time to clean up the mess (if it is actually possible).

The "socialist" monniker stinks of the same school yard name calling bandied by the "flip-flop"/ "waffler" spinners.

blebs is spot on. It is a billionaires' club based on self interest, party lines be damned.

David wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... eout/print

Neither 9-11, nor the ensuing hostilities hurt is ratings. Such diversions have helped Dems and Republicans alike.

Obama was saddled with an economic meltdown and rising unemployment, not of his doing. As much as it might aggravate the rather vociferous Republican pundits, the GOP was pitched out for a reason, and it will take time to clean up the mess (if it is actually possible).

The "socialist" monniker stinks of the same school yard name calling bandied by the "flip-flop"/ "waffler" spinners.

blebs is spot on. It is a billionaires' club based on self interest, party lines be damned.

Brilliantly said as always my friend.

blebs wrote:Guys guys guys, it's all about the Billionaire Boys Club and their lust for a one world economy and government. Party lines don't mean a thing.

This point escapes far to many people. Its not about which side of the aisle you are on its about the $$$.

tao_jones wrote:This point escapes far to many people. Its not about which side of the aisle you are on its about the $$$.

No. People ignored it. Both Burke and I continuously rammed this info down your throats when the momentum was in our favor to stop it from happening.

I had to triple read your name....I initially thought this was Downhill.

Different rating systems can help boost any sides position...my point was rather..well...//distracted by more breakfast// he did fairly well in approval ratings for greater than the first 50% of his terms.

Not every president has been handed a smooth running country upon his arrival in office. A president with barely acceptable skills can eek out a decent term riding on the coat tails of a prior presidents good term. It'll be a true measurement of a new president to enter his term during tough times.

I'll maintain my analogy of "We're about to re-live the Carter years".

David wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... eout/print

Neither 9-11, nor the ensuing hostilities hurt is ratings. Such diversions have helped Dems and Republicans alike.

Obama was saddled with an economic meltdown and rising unemployment, not of his doing. As much as it might aggravate the rather vociferous Republican pundits, the GOP was pitched out for a reason, and it will take time to clean up the mess (if it is actually possible).

The "socialist" monniker stinks of the same school yard name calling bandied by the "flip-flop"/ "waffler" spinners.

blebs is spot on. It is a billionaires' club based on self interest, party lines be damned.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:Yet if we keep the comparisons to "first year in office"...Bush began his term with fairly good ratings. The ratings rose to approx 90% approval within a year. He closed his first time remaining quite popular. His decline didn't begin until towards the middle of his second term.

Not accurate. Here is the correct info.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm


http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm


Also, Bush never recovered from his Axis of Evil speech. That was in '02. From that time forward, he was in almost constant decline.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6038436.stm

A more accurate picture of Obama's approval ratings...which, are in the negative.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... cking_poll

Paft wrote:... by taking needed federal funding for the interstate system away if they don't...

That's not some new ploy that can be blamed on Obama. Louisiana was the last holdout refusing to raise the legal drinking age from 18 to 21. When the feds said they would take away all our Interstate and highway funding, we changed our minds.

EDIT: Another thing that really pissed the feds off, the state raised the legal age to 21 to buy alcohol but you could still legally consume it at 18. Its 21 across the board now but that did cause a hornet’s nest of controversy for a while.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I had to triple read your name....I initially thought this was Downhill.

Different rating systems can help boost any sides position...my point was rather..well...//distracted by more breakfast// he did fairly well in approval ratings for greater than the first 50% of his terms.

Not every president has been handed a smooth running country upon his arrival in office. A president with barely acceptable skills can eek out a decent term riding on the coat tails of a prior presidents good term. It'll be a true measurement of a new president to enter his term during tough times.

I'll maintain my analogy of "We're about to re-live the Carter years".

First, I was pointing out that Bush had little worries outside of Gore's petitions and Chandra Levy before the galvanizing attack of 9-11. This would go to the 50% then climbing to the stellar number by years end.

Second, the mobilization of the "grass roots" Republican pundits clearly wish for Obama to fail, even if it is to the detriment of the nation. We shall see what happens when the US finally is at war with Iran.

As for the name calling, ad hominem makes for poor arguments but can be effective in stirring emotion.

Sadly, I feel this era will be worse than that of Carter/Reagan.

Look Obama's Check list!!

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JBrazen wrote:...since he made it pretty obvious that he was a full fledged Socialist and didn't try to hide it.

Damn, it's so painful when stupid people continuously band the word "solialist!!!" around without even knowing what it means.

I think it's about time to start privatizing the military, the pd, the fd... who else? The postal service. Any others? /shakes head in disbelief

stevebakh wrote:Damn, it's so painful when stupid people continuously band the word "solialist!!!" around without even knowing what it means.

I think it's about time to start privatizing the military, the pd, the fd... who else? The postal service. Any others? /shakes head in disbelief

I would say he is dead on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

stevebakh wrote:Damn, it's so painful when stupid people continuously band the word "solialist!!!" around without even knowing what it means.

I think it's about time to start privatizing the military, the pd, the fd... who else? The postal service. Any others? /shakes head in disbelief

Hey stupid, look up the meaning of the word before you start throwing insults around.

JBrazen wrote:Hey stupid, look up the meaning of the word before you start throwing insults around.

I don't think I would call him stupid. He is not from this country, he has no Constitution or Bill of Rights. We fought the Revolutionary war to get away from being subject to the king(monarch). We are different then every other country as we are free men allowed to own property. People generally don't understand this.

Sid wrote:I don't think I would call him stupid. He is not from this country, he has no Constitution or Bill of Rights. We fought the Revolutionary war to get away from being subject to the king(monarch). We are different then every other country as we are free men allowed to own property. People generally don't understand this.

Not that it's a bad thing, but on my other forum, we have people from the U.K., New Zealand and a couple of other places that are all trying to us that we are full of it. I can never understand why they think they have to weigh in on an issue that they know next to nothing about. I'm not knocking it because they do provide some good insights, it's just baffles me though.

On a lighter note, I wish I could capture this this one:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112373

blebs wrote:Not that it's a bad thing, but on my other forum, we have people from the U.K., New Zealand and a couple of other places that are all trying to us that we are full of it. I can never understand why they think they have to weigh in on an issue that they know next to nothing about. I'm not knocking it because they do provide some good insights, it's just baffles me though.

Because the USA is a massive country. You play a large part in the international arena. Your politics are well publicised and discussed internationally and finally, decisions and policies that are made in the USA can sometimes affect others outside of the country. More than that though, it's generally frustrating to see people misuse words, spouting the same old crap that the propaganda spewing haters are shoving down their throats. It's all one big SocialismLOL.

I just did a quick google for sh*ts and giggles... what's your opinion on this article (out of pure curiosity)?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... 831.column

stevebakh wrote:Because the USA is a massive country. You play a large part in the international arena. Your politics are well publicised and discussed internationally and finally, decisions and policies that are made in the USA can sometimes affect others outside of the country. More than that though, it's generally frustrating to see people misuse words, spouting the same old crap that the propaganda spewing haters are shoving down their throats. It's all one big SocialismLOL.

I just did a quick google for sh*ts and giggles... what's your opinion on this article (out of pure curiosity)?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... 831.column

Call him and parties whatever you want too. Fact remains that this country is being run by the elite wealthy and the government is nothing more then a tool to be used to bring about their will. What are you all going to say when the big bang happens and your looking down the barrel of a one world economy and one world government?

stevebakh wrote:Because the USA is a massive country. You play a large part in the international arena. Your politics are well publicised and discussed internationally and finally, decisions and policies that are made in the USA can sometimes affect others outside of the country. More than that though, it's generally frustrating to see people misuse words, spouting the same old crap that the propaganda spewing haters are shoving down their throats. It's all one big SocialismLOL.

I just did a quick google for sh*ts and giggles... what's your opinion on this article (out of pure curiosity)?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... 831.column

90% of our policies are unconstitutional. This is our corruption.

If you have lots of time then may I suggest you watch this. Its about 10hrs long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOMbfsg ... CE&index=0