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I wonder if like the last several examples in history of Civilian Security Groups, this one will wear Brown Shirts, or Black?

One of the first in modern history was the SA, or Brown Shirts of Hitler's rise to power. Once Hitler was firmly in control of the Government in Germany, he essentially wiped out the group, murdering the leadership, his old friends in the Night of the Long Knives. They were later made into the SS. Those SS troops, which began as a Civilian National Defense group, later carried out the Final Solution and murdered some 12 Million People, mostly Jews, in Death Camps.

Certainly, the Brown Shirts were civilians, and certainly, they claimed to be used only for protection of the National Socialist Party members and leaders. In practice, they were thugs, used to intimidate and even kill opponents and those targeted by the leaders.

When Lenin seized power in Russia, and formed the Soviet Union, the very first Government Organization he formed was the Cheka. The Cheka later became the KGB, or Committee for State Security. I could and would list the tortures, murders, arrests, intimidation, and barbaric deaths they arranged for enemies of the State, but this Blog Post would be too long for anyone to read, so I'm linking to the relevant Wiki entries, and wish you good reading if you're interested in more info. Suffice to say, they weren't very nice people.

Of course, with the SS and the Cheka/KGB, we're getting into areas of state security organizations, which end up being secret police organizations without limits of power or authority. The less famous cousins of these groups are the Savak, the MSS, and a host of others too numerous to list. The one interesting thing about most of these, they all started as civilians working to protect the leaders and the nation from perceived threat.

Using the SA, and the National Socialist Party for the best example, the one most everyone has heard about, we can see that the Brown Shirts were really nothing more than Thugs. They were bullies, and tough guys alike, who beat, tortured, and killed to help gain the National Socialist power in Germany.

I have to wonder, on what model will Barry Obama plan his group? Perhaps along the lines of the Fruit of Islam? A truly civilian group if there was one, despite a contract at one time from the United Nations to protect inner cities.

It's probably unlikely that he would form the group along the lines of fictional references. Perhaps the Rangers from the Babylon 5 television series would be acceptable, but I doubt he has such high aspirations for this group. No, I think the plan for the group would be more along historical examples.

Unless of course, you expect me to believe that Obama is a supporter of groups like the often demonized Michigan Militia.

I think that given his trends towards state control of everything else, as is standard for his Socialist leanings, we would have to guess that his group will be more along the lines of the Cheka.

That a pretty piss poor comparison.

Hey its been a while Rocke, too bad it wasn't longer...

This would be no more than a new KGB. A method to monitor and control the citizens of this socialist country.

Naturally.

But it's what the people want.

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blo ... 5731.entry

The stunning comments from Democrat Sen. Barack Obama that the United States needs a "civilian national security force" that would be as powerful, strong and well-funded as the half-trillion dollar United States Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force have mysteriously disappeared from published transcripts of the speech.

In the comments, Obama confirmed the U.S. "cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set." (Shades of the National Socialists takeover of power from the exisiting government in Germany in the 1930's)
When our media becomes so dedicated to bringing a single person to the Presidency of the United States that they COVER UP what HE SAYS and we can only find it on UTUBE, we are in BIG TROUBLE.

This is what Stalin did in the USSR and Hitler in Germany. They controlled the press to say what they wanted, it became a symbiotic relationship.

Now it's worse, did the Wall Street Journal think they could drop part of OBAMA's speech that describes a new military force that he wants to replace the existing military?

just read through the patriot act to see how screwed we all are from the last administration. There's allot more than that.
This tonight is a major turning point in our country. I for one stand behind the constitution and the vision of our forefathers.

Heil Hitler!
What this government needs is more penguins, penguins know all.

The society which I sought to protect has turned against me and has turned over all power to individuals worse than any terrorist organization. The bureaucrats of the U.S. Government. Taking our money and giving us back what we deserve. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed as well as other supporters of terrorism will surely do their best to destroy this country along with our liberties, capitalism, as well as the vision of our forefathers. But hey after all things change right. Why maintain a basic ideology or freedom. The world changes why not lead the "CHANGE" and be the first advanced country declared socialist in this millennium.

So Rocke....you've single handily sought to protect the great society in this country? That's a pretty bold statement.

Tell us all, exactly how did you do that. By posting on internet forums?

This is gonna be a great term

I am referring to voluntary civil service BOSS! Thanks for challenging my dedication to the basic fundamentals of which my country was founded.

Challenge? Posting on net forums is not proof of anything. Yes...challenge. Let's see it, son.

Show us this mighty volunteer service you speak of? All I see is hate posts coupled with a bit of self serving back slapping.

Damnit Roke113, *I* wanted to be the ranting sociopath that melted down atfer the election results.

You pinko lib commie.

for peace eh, i thought he was just going to move our troops back to Afghanistan while Mccain just wanted to keep them in Iraq.

lol

brembo wrote:Damnit Roke113, *I* wanted to be the ranting sociopath that melted down atfer the election results.

You pinko lib commie.

Philip, for the next 4 years we get to hear about how bad Obama will be for America. You can bet the farm that I'm right because talk radio depends on it for their very existence. This kid R0cke113 is 100% product of that media.

So if you need more reasons to create that politics sub-forum....R0cke113 will be sure to post them lol.

R0cke113 wrote:The society which I sought to protect has turned against me and has turned over all power to individuals worse than any terrorist organization. The bureaucrats of the U.S. Government. Taking our money and giving us back what we deserve. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed as well as other supporters of terrorism will surely do their best to destroy this country along with our liberties, capitalism, as well as the vision of our forefathers. But hey after all things change right. Why maintain a basic ideology or freedom. The world changes why not lead the "CHANGE" and be the first advanced country declared socialist in this millennium.

No, you volunteered to protect freedom.....which was exercised tonight by the people.

When was the last time you had any dealings with a terrorist organization or is this just a baseless claim and fear mongering? Can you actually prove anything you've said?

How did you come to these conclusions?

R0cke113 wrote:I am referring to voluntary civil service BOSS! Thanks for challenging my dedication to the basic fundamentals of which my country was founded.

I would like to know also what "civil service" you are you referring to?

Shinobi wrote:I would like to know also what "civil service" you are you referring to?

He's in the military stationed over in Korea lol. 1 yr short tour which he was probably voluntold to do.

After 8 years of Bush tearing up the constitution with an Act that lets him spy on anyone without a warrant...

---after he gives himself the power to arrest anyone he calls a "terrorist" without trial and hold them indefinitely...

...after he gives himself the power to start war without approval from congress...

...after he violates the geneva convention to allow torture...

...after he stations several thousand troops in the US and trains them in riot control...

After all that, you want to talk about how a democrat who just got elected and hasn't even done anything yet will surely be the next Hitler?

for the next 4 years we get to hear about how bad Obama will be for America. You can bet the farm that I'm right because talk radio depends on it for their very existence.

Darn straight. The slime machine is just getting started. The website "impeachpresidentobama" has already been parked. It has begun.

jjrs wrote:After 8 years of Bush tearing up the constitution with an Act that lets him spy on anyone without a warrant...

---after he gives himself the power to arrest anyone he calls a "terrorist" without trial and hold them indefinitely...

...after he gives himself the power to start war without approval from congress...

...after he violates the geneva convention to allow torture...

...after he stations several thousand troops in the US and trains them in riot control...

After all that, you want to talk about how a democrat who just got elected and hasn't even done anything yet will surely be the next Hitler?



Darn straight. The slime machine is just getting started. The website "impeachpresidentobama" has already been parked. It has begun.

Do you really think that most or some of this wasn't done or being done way before Bush was in office? Do you really think that it will change in the next 4 years? Your voice is a whisper in the wind so you may as well accept it how it is and move on. As for Obama.. I'm going to watch real close to see him follow through on his promises of Universal Health care, lower my taxes, lower the national debt, bring troops home by winning not quiting etc..

One bad choice of wording there UOD. My civil service will questioning will be ignored. It is primarily concern at this point and the hope that once Obama receives his first briefing he sees that some of theses ideas will simply not work. Diplomacy with terrorist states such as Pakistan and Iran I strongly feel would be a mistake with unmatched repercussions. I can only hope that once he sees the "FULL" picture that he changes his mind. Also his Robin Hood idea is amazing and I would be in full support if it was properly implemented. People making over 1/4 mil sounds great until that is "Joe the Plumber" who makes just over that, but reinvests it all into his business to make a roto rooter with more employees. The best way in my opinion for something like this would be to aim it at the bureaucratic fat cats who rob us daily. And the cut of the armed forces with re organization into this civilian security service, while only 20 seconds of a speech, would be the worst organization since the SS.

Unfortunately for you a decisive title thread has killed any chance at credibility your comments may otherwise have offered.

R0cke113 wrote:And the cut of the armed forces with re organization into this civilian security service, while only 20 seconds of a speech, would be the worst organization since the SS.

- I assure president bush did not think that one up. There are a significant amount of other interests who had pushed that I can assure you.
-That is the U.S. Marine Corp.
-I do not know enough about that, but can be sure that there were other interests at work there.
-Thats only smart
Impeachment would be a stretch especially since he has done nothing yet. I am just scared as to the further down the hole we can go. I didn't vote for McCain either. I was not happy 100% with any of the candidates, but I fear Obama's ideas are to simplistic and not rationalized. The rabbit hole always goes deeper than we could ever fathom so to base any idea of the governments decision is crazy. I would just like to add to that previous statement that I DO NOT agree with alot of the previously mentioned issues by jirs.

I like to inspire a little bit of thinking and some anger to get people going. Not meant to be taken literally, but with some relevance.

R0cke113 wrote:I like to inspire a little bit of thinking and some anger to get people going. Not meant to be taken literally, but with some relevance.

I think you've failed on both accounts.

Scott wrote:I think you've failed on both accounts.

R0cke113 wrote: Diplomacy with terrorist states such as Pakistan and Iran I strongly feel would be a mistake with unmatched repercussions.

So when Iran helped us to fight the Taliban....that was a bad thing?


You are very very misinformed.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2bd_1222274856&c=1

And this is old news. With that, I can't find any of your statements to be credible.

Sava700 wrote:Do you really think that most or some of this wasn't done or being done way before Bush was in office?

Yes. Bush took historically unprecedented steps to empower the executive branch. Literally unseen in the history of the country.

Do you really think that it will change in the next 4 years?

Yes!

Your voice is a whisper in the wind so you may as well accept it how it is and move on.

I accept it wholeheartedly! Obama won, and I'm happy to move on from this dark period in history. Normally you would be right that my voice would be a whisper in the wind. But this year, millions of voices saying the same thing came together, and they were heard loud and clear.

As for Obama.. I'm going to watch real close to see him follow through on his promises of Universal Health care, lower my taxes, lower the national debt, bring troops home by winning not quiting etc..

Everybody will be. He has his work cut out for him, for sure. I wish him the best. And typical liberal-conservative squabbling aside, for the sake of everything that's at stake, I hope you do, too.

I don't know about the rest of this stuff, but Obam bam isn't going to get much of anything done in his first 4 years except attempt to figure out just where we are in the scheme of things. It'll take him a second term to initiate any kind of actions, if it's at all possible then even, as far as campaign promises. The people want change yes, but what kind of change do they want. All I see is fantasy and a wanting to return to camelot which isn't going to happen.

jjrs wrote:Yes. Bush took historically unprecedented steps to empower the executive branch. Literally unseen in the history of the country.



Yes!



I accept it wholeheartedly! Obama won, and I'm happy to move on from this dark period in history. Normally you would be right that my voice would be a whisper in the wind. But this year, millions of voices saying the same thing came together, and they were heard loud and clear.



Everybody will be. He has his work cut out for him, for sure. I wish him the best. And typical liberal-conservative squabbling aside, for the sake of everything that's at stake, I hope you do, too.

And I believe pigs can fly... and fish can walk on land.

Sava700 wrote:And I believe pigs can fly... and fish can walk on land.

So now that we know you believe pigs can fly what are your thoughts on this matter?

Roody wrote:So now that we know you believe pigs can fly what are your thoughts on this matter?

beyond watching a pig fly..I have no thoughts *puts tin foil hat on*

Tin foil improves reception, thats why people use it on thier rabbit ears, course I find the rabbit just chews on it.

Lefty wrote:

Hear any good Obama jokes lately?.....

David wrote:Hear any good Obama jokes lately?.....

I've gotten so many text messages since yesterday I've had to flush them cause my inbox was full. But I don't think I want to post them here.