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Most Americans Support Anti-Terrorism Racial Profiling
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:19 am
by Prey521
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060829/ts_ ... 11_poll_dc
Interesting, I myself support it. If there is an Arabic man in the airport security area, sweating profusely, looking around nervously, I absolutely support it.
The problem comes in when racist, power-hungry authorities start to use it to support their racist behavior. They are the ones that get these political groups against it.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:32 am
by YARDofSTUF
"Most Americans expect a terrorist attack on the United States in the next few months and support the screening of people who look "Middle Eastern" at airports and train stations, a poll showed on Tuesday."
We're always expecting a terrorist attack in the next few months
I said no, but ask me again when theres a new administration.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:58 am
by koldchillah
I would never support such a ridiculous idea as racial profiling.
Suspicious characters come in many forms and I would never want our national attention focused so much on one minority group while some whacked out white guy gets away with another OKC bombing or the terrorists simply recruit some non-arabs to act out some of the finer details of their plans.
The only thing racial profiling is going to do is add more racial tension and fuel to the fire that we are already having a hard enough time putting out.
This world is filled with shady characters, there is no racial profiling scheme that could ever define the majority of those who seek to perform dark deeds. Yet here's another example of our society insisting to create a marketable label that the media can sell to the American public.
Man, we have way too many people in this country that just seem to line up to buy this BS by the buckets.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:01 pm
by Rivas
Prey521 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060829/ts_ ... 11_poll_dc
Interesting, I myself support it. If there is an Arabic man in the airport security area, sweating profusely, looking around nervously, I absolutely support it.
The problem comes in when racist, power-hungry authorities start to use it to support their racist behavior. They are the ones that get these political groups against it.
i agree with you 100%
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:07 pm
by Sarahnn
Look at it this way for a moment. If there is such a thing as "racial profiliing" then there is such a thing as "non-racial profiling".
Neither makes sense. If someone looks suspicious, search the bugger. What is the big deal here? Every person has rights when being suspected of a crime, regardless of race, color or creed.
I think maybe the question here would be if racial profiling is effective. If it is effective in deterring crime, why wouldn't we do it? Isn't that our goal?
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:27 pm
by mountainman
Prey... is there a van with
ACLU in the parking lot waiting for you? If so, I'd leave the back way.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:53 pm
by tao_jones
koldchillah wrote:I would never support such a ridiculous idea as racial profiling.
Suspicious characters come in many forms and I would never want our national attention focused so much on one minority group while some whacked out white guy gets away with another OKC bombing or the terrorists simply recruit some non-arabs to act out some of the finer details of their plans.
The only thing racial profiling is going to do is add more racial tension and fuel to the fire that we are already having a hard enough time putting out.
This world is filled with shady characters, there is no racial profiling scheme that could ever define the majority of those who seek to perform dark deeds. Yet here's another example of our society insisting to create a marketable label that the media can sell to the American public.
Man, we have way too many people in this country that just seem to line up to buy this BS by the buckets.
QFT
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:05 pm
by Loonatic
Unfortunately, thats how profiling works. But you have to look at more than just race itself.
People will bitch about anything, but its a fact of life. If I was Indian, and all of a sudden Indians were going on shooting sprees everyday around the country, I would damn well expect some negative feedback. Like I said, its just how it works. You cant expect to crawl into a cave of killer bees and assume none of them will attack you.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:17 pm
by Lefty
No, everyone is a suspect at all times.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:00 pm
by downhill
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:04 pm
by Norm
It shouldn't be racial profiling. It should be terrorist profiling.
A terrorist can be from ANY race, white included.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:16 pm
by Rivas
Norm wrote:It shouldn't be racial profiling. It should be terrorist profiling.
A terrorist can be from ANY race, white included.
Thats true too
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:48 pm
by Far-N-Wide
The Oklahoma bomber's were both white. They sure didn't fit the current middle eastern profile. So profile everyone. Random checks catch more folks then you'd think.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:25 pm
by Mad_Haggis
Was he of dutch descendence?, I hear that the dutch caused that whole hotel rwanda thing, they got along ok until the dutch came along and told them they had different noses.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:30 pm
by Meggie
they made my entire military unit take off our combat boots and uniform tops and go through security like everyone else. i think at some point this 'treat everyone the same' thing goes a little far. Yes, search the people most likely to be a threat the most, and seriously now.. do they really think im going to put a bomb in my combat boot, then fight for this country? so lame.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:32 pm
by Paft
Hell no. Terrorists can come from any background.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:33 pm
by downhill
Again, like a thread just a bit ago, I think the results would depend somewhat on demographics.
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:50 pm
by Mad_Haggis
downhill wrote:Again, like a thread just a bit ago, I think the results would depend somewhat on demographics.
I studied a bit of mendel theory
this is all I retained...
40% genetics / 60% enviroment
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:23 pm
by David
Racial profiling happens, regardless. If a white guy drives a nice car into Plainfield NJ at 2am and leaves roughly a half hour later, you can bet there are drug in his possession. If you happen by Bill Clinton's area of Manhatten and see some ladies dolled up like Porfirio at Carnevale, they might be courtesans.
The rub lies in disguise. It is not that difficult for a person of ME strain to pass for another ethnicity. Put aside that and the bill of rights, and you have a sound argument for staying the course.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:07 am
by cho
Meggie wrote:they made my entire military unit take off our combat boots and uniform tops and go through security like everyone else. i think at some point this 'treat everyone the same' thing goes a little far. Yes, search the people most likely to be a threat the most, and seriously now.. do they really think im going to put a bomb in my combat boot, then fight for this country? so lame.
You may not...but others may (most likely not). But think about a suicide bomber who gets into his enemies military. When it goes off a majority of the casualties will be military personel. A good way to wipe out new / replacement troops.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:55 am
by Rivas
*cho* wrote:You may not...but others may (most likely not). But think about a suicide bomber who gets into his enemies military. When it goes off a majority of the casualties will be military personel. A good way to wipe out new / replacement troops.
i think thats ridiculous,everyone knows each other in military unit.suicide bomber in military unit lol
sorry thats really funny
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:29 am
by Prey521
rivas wrote:i think thats ridiculous,everyone knows each other in military unit.suicide bomber in military unit lol
sorry thats really funny
You think it's impossible for a terrorist to infiltrate the US Military? Bin Laden had a spy in FBI/CIA/Army for YEARS! Same guy, forgot his name, saw a show about him the other night.........crazy!
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:28 am
by Rivas
Prey521 wrote:You think it's impossible for a terrorist to infiltrate the US Military? Bin Laden had a spy in FBI/CIA/Army for YEARS! Same guy, forgot his name, saw a show about him the other night.........crazy!
Spy and suice bomber are 2 different things imo.I think its impossible to infiltrate military unit with suicide bomber.
But we are talking about suicide bomber in military unit,man if im in military and i know we got muslim in unit i will be sweating my pants off every time he walks around me.Same thing like you said about the airport.CRAZY!
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:04 pm
by Meggie
*cho* wrote:You may not...but others may (most likely not). But think about a suicide bomber who gets into his enemies military. When it goes off a majority of the casualties will be military personel. A good way to wipe out new / replacement troops.
if thats the case theres a lot worse things he can do then blow up a plane carrying a couple dozen soldiers.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:32 pm
by triniwasp
Although I don't like it, if I was in the shoes of a law enforcment officer I'd have to be an absolute fool not to.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:35 pm
by Rivas
Meggie wrote:if thats the case theres a lot worse things he can do then blow up a plane carrying a couple dozen soldiers.
no *****
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:18 pm
by Jim
Meggie wrote:if thats the case theres a lot worse things he can do then blow up a plane carrying a couple dozen soldiers.
The psychological effects of terrorism can sometimes trump a high body count.
Just look at the whole "Beltway Sniper" incident where fifteen shootings left ten people dead. The body count was "low" compared to the typical terrorist attack (hell, even the Carrollton bus disaster had almost three times as many fatalities), yet it practically paralyzed that entire section of the country for close to an entire month.
As much as the average Al Queda jackhole would love to see a large number of Americans (military or civilian) killed, being able to drive fear into the heart of millions of people at once would probably be considered an even greater victory. Killing a couple dozen soldiers on a random flight is a good way for them to reinforce the idea that nobody is safe.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:50 pm
by Sarahnn
Here's another point I just thought of.
If you profile the known suicide bombers over the past decade you will definitely get a clear profile... young, male...etc etc......
We should be so on guard for these types that we force terrorists to recruit another type to accomplish anything thereby opening them up to further exposure.
Racial profiling can be good in this case, because it's not about apprehending one criminal but an ongoing sect or extremist cult....
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:02 pm
by downhill
Humm...not to rain on your parade but suicide bombers are also female.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:19 pm
by Sarahnn
downhill wrote:Humm...not to rain on your parade but suicide bombers are also female.
I threw the male thing in as an example. Whatever the profile is, given recent analysis, concentrating on that might serve the same purpose as I mentioned before. In fact, the recruitment of Women bombers might be one result of profiling.
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:23 pm
by Sarahnn
By the way, here is something extremely interesting and germane to the subject of this thread.
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/tra ... joyce.html
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:28 pm
by Debbie
Norm wrote:It shouldn't be racial profiling. It should be terrorist profiling.
A terrorist can be from ANY race, white included.
Bingo!
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:05 am
by cho
rivas wrote:Spy and suice bomber are 2 different things imo.I think its impossible to infiltrate military unit with suicide bomber.
But we are talking about suicide bomber in military unit,man if im in military and i know we got muslim in unit i will be sweating my pants off every time he walks around me.Same thing like you said about the airport.CRAZY!
Why does a suicide bomber gotta be Muslim? Just because most are doesn't mean they all will be...the next suicide bomber could be a home grown white boy.
*edit* I meant could not would.
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:25 am
by Rivas
*cho* wrote:Why does a suicide bomber gotta be Muslim? Just because most are doesn't mean they all will be...the next suicide bomber would be a home grown white boy.
Yeah right
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:37 am
by cho
rivas wrote:Yeah right
You don't think white people can be suicide bombers? White people are stupid enough to kill themselves so that their souls can fly up to a comet and be transported to heaven. Hell I remember someone posting here that he would gladly take a tracking device implanted in his body so that if he was ever captured in Iraq the US military could bomb the crap outta the location where he was being held. Not quiet the samething because that would be for a good cause, but still sacrificing ones life.
All you need to do is find someone and brainwash them or someone who is desperate enough to fight for their cause.
Look at Columbine, those pricks shot their school up and then turned the guns on themselves, that was a suicide gunning...one step away from a bombing.
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:05 am
by Rivas
*cho* wrote:You don't think white people can be suicide bombers? White people are stupid enough to kill themselves so that their souls can fly up to a comet and be transported to heaven. Hell I remember someone posting here that he would gladly take a tracking device implanted in his body so that if he was ever captured in Iraq the US military could bomb the crap outta the location where he was being held. Not quiet the samething because that would be for a good cause, but still sacrificing ones life.
All you need to do is find someone and brainwash them or someone who is desperate enough to fight for their cause.
Look at Columbine, those pricks shot their school up and then turned the guns on themselves, that was a suicide gunning...one step away from a bombing.
No i dont think so
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:17 am
by Mehmet
rivas wrote:No i dont think so
You are destroying our nation.
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:30 am
by Loonatic
Mehmet wrote:You are destroying our nation.
He lives in Canada. And what is says is mostly correct.
The muslims believe in Martyrdom if they blow themselves up for the cause.
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:36 am
by downhill
Loonatic wrote:He lives in Canada. And what is says is mostly correct.
The muslims believe in Martyrdom if they blow themselves up for the cause.
Another generalization. You seem to be speaking for all of those of Muslim faith. It's already been pointed out that race or religion have nothing to do with terrorism.
What race was Timothy Mcveigh? What religion? The minute he put his plans in motion, he was commiting sucide.
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:53 am
by Rivas
Mehmet wrote:You are destroying our nation.
How am i destroying your nation ?
I have nothing against muslims,as you could see in other threads i was defending them.
But i agree with what Prey said 100000%,if im gonna travel and i see sweating nervously looking "brown" individual sitting at the airport and going on the same plain i would start sweating my pants off as well.