Vaccinations & Autism

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:28 am

As more studies are done, proof is being uncovered that the Thermisol (mercury), in vaccines is the cause of autism in children.

CHICAGO, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- It's a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill.

But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don't have autism.

"We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines," said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst's medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated.

rest of story;

http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/ ... 0313-6829r

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:42 am

My past two kids I always try to get mercury free innoculations. You can request it from the doctor.

Pie

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:51 am

You are a responsible parent then, Pie. Most people are not aware, or dismiss the idea as rubbish. The thermisol is said to be a preservative...but is a deadly poison. Much like arsenic being used to treat wood. Some young developing bodies can resist the mercury, some can't. Especially when it is shot directly into the body, bypassing all natural immune methods used by the body.

I've never had a flu shot, and have never had the flu.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:01 pm

knightmare wrote:You are a responsible parent then, Pie. Most people are not aware, or dismiss the idea as rubbish. The thermisol is said to be a preservative...but is a deadly poison. Much like arsenic being used to treat wood. Some young developing bodies can resist the mercury, some can't. Especially when it is shot directly into the body, bypassing all natural immune methods used by the body.

I've never had a flu shot, and have never had the flu.

This mercury thing has been out for several years. If they banned people from eating the fish here at one point because it contained mercury there was no way I wanted my kids to have that crap in their immunization lol

Pie

Izzo · Post by **Izzo** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:08 pm

thepieman wrote:This mercury thing has been out for several years. If they banned people from eating the fish here at one point because it contained mercury there was no way I wanted my kids to have that crap in their immunization lol

Pie

I threw a fit when I first heard about it...my kids just had a round of vaccinations so I called the Doc and he assured me they were free of mercury.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:15 pm

Izzo wrote:I threw a fit when I first heard about it...my kids just had a round of vaccinations so I called the Doc and he assured me they were free of mercury.

Not only can it cause autism , it can cause chemical imbalances like ADHD which would make sense with all the kids and adults of that period being diagnosed with it.

Pie

SteelersFANinMA · Post by **SteelersFANinMA** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:09 am

Interesting stuff. If this is the case, I wonder how it ties in to the fact that Autism is mainly a male disorder.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:22 am

The mercury additive has been removed from US vaccines for some years now (as per article). Guess what, no decrease in the occurances of autism. I am inclined to believe that it is multifocal ailment, environment (pollutants), diet (formulae) and especially pounding a toddler's immune system with numerous vaccines. So far, the evidence is epidemilogic, however it lacks proof of a direct causal effect. Of course, I cannot say that I have read every single study.

SteelersFANinMA · Post by **SteelersFANinMA** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:02 am

Hell_Yes wrote:The mercury additive has been removed from US vaccines for some years now (as per article). Guess what, no decrease in the occurances of autism. I am inclined to believe that it is multifocal ailment, environment (pollutants), diet (formulae) and especially pounding a toddler's immune system with numerous vaccines. So far, the evidence is epidemilogic, however it lacks proof of a direct causal effect. Of course, I cannot say that I have read every single study.

I tend to agree with that. I know of a case where the ingestion of lead paint chips as a toddler has resulted in Autistic behavior. However, since a lot of Autistic people tend to have PICA, (tendency to eat inedible objects) that it is possible that they were born with the Autism and PICA behavior, and as a result ate the chips of lead paint. Also, it is common for a child who is born with/develops Autism to appear normal until somewhere between the ages of 6 mos. to 2 1/2 years old, (vaccination age). I have also seen a case where a normal, healthy toddler developed Autistic behavior after suffering from a high fever that was not treated in a timely or correct manner. In 2 of the several cases I am familiar with, the parents of the Autistic children were alcoholics, but I'm not sure if that had anything to do with the Autism.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:20 am

SteelersFANinMA wrote:Interesting stuff. If this is the case, I wonder how it ties in to the fact that Autism is mainly a male disorder.

I have two nieces who have it.

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:25 am

SteelersFANinMA wrote: I have also seen a case where a normal, healthy toddler developed Autistic behavior after suffering from a high fever that was not treated in a timely or correct manner.

Which does correlate with the bombardment of multiple vaccines. Viruses can do serious damage to the infant brain.

thepieman · Post by **thepieman** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:41 am

wee96 wrote:I have two nieces who have it.

same parents? or different? That must be rough on them. Its hard enough being a parent of normal kids I can imagine what a parent of special needs kids must go through. They must be extremely strong.

Pie

Loonatic · Post by **Loonatic** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:20 am

I was reading about that yesterday at the Chiropractor, I believe it was People or Time magazine. Autism is definitely an unusual thing to deal with. When I took martial arts, a child around the age of 9 or 10 had it, and he's basically in his own world. I guess I dont fully understand the disease, but from my observations its gotta be real hard on the parents.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:10 am

SteelersFANinMA wrote:Interesting stuff. If this is the case, I wonder how it ties in to the fact that Autism is mainly a male disorder.

Show us something on your statement.... male or female usually reaches puberty first? Female-- maybe their immune systems develop faster?

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:44 am

Hell_Yes wrote:The mercury additive has been removed from US vaccines for some years now (as per article). Guess what, no decrease in the occurances of autism. I am inclined to believe that it is multifocal ailment, environment (pollutants), diet (formulae) and especially pounding a toddler's immune system with numerous vaccines. So far, the evidence is epidemilogic, however it lacks proof of a direct causal effect. Of course, I cannot say that I have read every single study.

All vaccines?? There are some, that still have mercury. You have to ask for the mercury-free one.(ex-Rh- immune globin vaccine) ..
Also what are the ingredients of a vaccine-- immune globin?
Animal RNA
Pooled Human blood plasma, to name 2 of them. So there is the issue of the mixing of the blood. Which yourself being from the tribe of Judah, what is the law of mixing of your own blood. How is a vaccine kosher to the body? Using pooled blood...& animal RNA defeats the method of the draining of the blood from meats.

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:58 am

Amish don't use the internet either, maybe the internet is causing Autism, or worse yet maybe iit is XBox.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:01 am

RicRogue wrote:Amish don't use the internet either, maybe the internet is causing Autism, or worse yet maybe iit is XBox.

ahh so here it comes, i ask you a few things in a thread, that you didn't like, got a lil jumpy, so time to try and crap on my threads.....

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:05 am

knightmare wrote:All vaccines?? There are some, that still have mercury. You have to ask for the mercury-free one.(ex-Rh- immune globin vaccine) ..
Also what are the ingredients of a vaccine-- immune globin?
Animal RNA
Pooled Human blood plasma, to name 2 of them. So there is the issue of the mixing of the blood. Which yourself being from the tribe of Judah, what is the law of mixing of your own blood. How is a vaccine kosher to the body? Using pooled blood...& animal RNA defeats the method of the draining of the blood from meats.

David,

Understand, that all offered so far is conjecture based on epidemiology and opinion. The direct causal relation has yet to be established. The high fevers produced by the bombardment of attentuated viruses, seems a far more likely possibility.

Most vaccines are developed on eggs, so I would think the majority are Kosher. Irrelevent, since I do not intentionally adhere to Kashrut law (being a vegetarian does help, however).

Tribe of Judah..... <snicker>

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:15 am

if there really was a link would there not be more kids with autism?

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:20 am

Augustus wrote:if there really was a link would there not be more kids with autism?

How many kids do you need? 1 is enough for me. What if it was yours.? The American medical Assc, (Rockerfeller Org.) will never fess up.

SIDS/crib death is now being linked to vaccines..

Why do you think legislation has just been passed to protect producers/pharms of vaccines from liability???

The truth is coming out...connect the dots

Ghosthunter · Post by **Ghosthunter** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:24 am

knightmare wrote:How many kids do you need? 1 is enough for me. What if it was yours.? The American medical Assc, (Rockerfeller Org.) will never fess up.

SIDS/crib death is now being linked to vaccines..

Why do you think legislation has just been passed to protect producers/pharms of vaccines from liability???

The truth is coming out...connect the dots

well considering how many get vaccinations every year, if there was a really link, i would think there be a lot more cases?

a few is not enough. I never even met a kid who was autistic, not saying they dont exist, and hate for anyone to be that way.

RicRogue · Post by **RicRogue** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:46 am

It comes down to this:

Vaccines have saved millions of lives. Even if the specluation is true. All drugs have side effects and I would much rather my kid have Autism than small pox.

wee96 · Post by **wee96** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:57 am

thepieman wrote: same parents? or different? That must be rough on them. Its hard enough being a parent of normal kids I can imagine what a parent of special needs kids must go through. They must be extremely strong.

Pie

Yep my sister and her husband, both girls got autism but their boy who was in the middle, didnt. It can get really tough thats for sure.

Its a genetic issue between the two parents, its not because of the vaccinations. Certain peoples genes when put together have a high risk of it and my sister combined with her husband have just that. Hes alittle weird to begin with, its definately from his side not ours.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:55 pm

RicRogue wrote:It comes down to this:

Vaccines have saved millions of lives. Even if the specluation is true. All drugs have side effects and I would much rather my kid have Autism than small pox.

Do you know what causes smallpox? How about the advances in modern sleeping comforts is the main reason. The bedbug carried smallpox...."don't let the bedbug bite".. start using modern bedding and poof*

bedbugs thrived in straw which was the main component of bedding...

Filth has always been the main causes of disease...

David · Post by **David** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:05 pm

knightmare wrote:Do you know what causes smallpox? How about the advances in modern sleeping comforts is the main reason. The bedbug carried smallpox...."don't let the bedbug bite".. start using modern bedding and poof*

bedbugs thrived in straw which was the main component of bedding...

Filth has always been the main causes of disease...

It is saliva borne. Direct body to body contact is a key form of transmission. I have read about the bedbug theory, interesting.

SteelersFANinMA · Post by **SteelersFANinMA** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:00 pm

To anyone who questions whether Autism affects mainly males. This is true. Do the research. However, I did not say that it was 100%. I have been working with people who suffer from Autism and other MR disorders such as Downs Syndrome, Cerebral Palsy etc. since 1991. So, I have a good idea on exactly what Autism is and I've only seen a few cases of Autism in females. I can not provide any links from the internet as most of my info. comes from taking classes and personal experience.

BTW, former and current NFL QB's Dan Marino and Doug Flutie each have son's with Autism.