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looks like a friendly kid.

A heavily armed 14-year-old boy shot and killed his school principal inside a crowded junior high cafeteria Thursday morning, then killed himself, authorities said.

The shootings happened about 15 minutes before the start of classes at Red Lion Area Junior High School.

"Everyone ran out of the cafeteria yelling, 'He has a gun!'" said eighth-grader Danny Dulin.

The shooter, also an eighth-grader, had multiple weapons and fired at least two shots with a handgun, said Red Lion Borough Police Chief Walt Hughes. Police do not believe anyone else was involved and were investigating where the boy got the guns.

The principal, Eugene Segro, was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead, authorities said. Segro had been at the school for more than a decade and was believed to be in his early 50s, said Terry Robinson, the school district's business manager.

The suspect's parents were helpful and said they had no reason to think anything was wrong, according to police.

"They're upset, distraught," Hughes said.

Neither he nor Robinson was aware of any recent turmoil at the school, about 30 miles southeast of Harrisburg in south-central Pennsylvania.

Police and schools Superintendent Larry Macaluso declined to identify the teenager, but said he was not known for disciplinary problems. They did not know of any disputes between him and Segro.

Other students said the principal was well-liked.

"He was fair and wasn't mean to anyone," said seventh-grader Matt Templeton.

Mike Baublitz, 19, recalled Segro's kindness on the day he graduated from the school.

"He shook my hand and said, 'If you ever need anything, come and talk to me,'" Baublitz said.

The school's approximately 875 students were taken to nearby Red Lion Area Senior High School after the shooting, and students from both schools were later dismissed for the day. Students who witnessed the shooting met with counselors, police said.

Robinson said the school does not have metal detectors but does have security cameras.

The same school district was the site of a machete attack on a kindergarten class that injured a principal, two teachers and 11 of the 23 pupils in 2001. A Tennessee man angry about his divorce and allegations he had molested his stepdaughters pleaded guilty to the attack and was sentenced to 132 to 264 years in prison.

sad

horrible.

Originally posted by tHE_0ne
The suspect's parents were helpful and said they had no reason to think anything was wrong, according to police.

Ah, that explains it. He was a perfectly normal kid who must've been corrupted by some evil force. Anyone taking bets on whether music, movies, or video games will get blamed for this first?

Of course, the blame can be put on anyone...at least anyone but the kid with the guns and the parents who had no idea of their heavily-armed offspring...

sucks, there are so many kids in my highschool that talk about shootin the school up... you never know...

Originally posted by OptKing
sucks, there are so many kids in my highschool that talk about shootin the school up... you never know...

I truly believe poor moral instruction (and I'm talking societal norms here, nothing overtly religious) combined with the lack of corporal punishment by parents is contributing to this idiocy...

I bet the kid listened to OZZY or even played......."Online Gaming"....*shivers*



sad ass story...

I bet it was because of his over the top sex ed classes

Originally posted by Blisster
I bet it was because of his over the top sex ed classes

That and combined with not getting any...

I mean if u didn't know what u wanted, it won't hurt.. but no.. they have to tell u what u want to make u want it.. heh..

Indeed sad story. Scape goats, Music/games/movies.

There's probably a real story behind this -- something not involving bad video games, bad guns, bad whatever. But the typical handwringing and fingerpointing will get the headlines. At least that's the way it usually works.

10 bucks says he had at one time been on Ritilin.

Originally posted by Blisster
I bet it was because of his over the top sex ed classes

Man, you are on a roll!!!

Actually, I'm surprised this actually makes news, since it is so common.

I'm certain there is something behind the scenes here that'll we'll never know.

It's a shame.

Quoting Chris Rock:

"Everybody wanna know what the kids was listenin to! What kinda music was they listenin to! What kinda movies was they watchin! Who gives a f*ck what they was watchin! Whatever happened to crazy, can't somebody be crazy no more? Did we just eliminate crazy from the dictionary?"

Originally posted by TonyT
10 bucks says he had at one time been on Ritilin.

Adhd

Originally posted by TonyT
10 bucks says he had at one time been on Ritilin.

And if he was, the School pushed the parents into puttin him on it.

the news last night said he 'found the key to the parents gun cabinet' so he got the guns from his parents, and yet the news went on to say that they wont be charged with anything.
Why the heck shouldnt they be charged? Indirectly, its their own fault.

Originally posted by Meggie
.....Why the heck shouldnt they be charged? Indirectly, its their own fault.....

Why should they be charged if they used resonable care to lock up the guns? My parent used to lock up stuff, and I would get a screwdriver and unscrew the hinges on the door to get in.

They lost thier child and unless they were woefully negligent they should be left alone.

Lot's of pain and suffering for everybody involved, no need to try and punish the parents any more they they already have been.

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
Ah, that explains it. He was a perfectly normal kid who must've been corrupted by some evil force. Anyone taking bets on whether music, movies, or video games will get blamed for this first?

Funny you question why and what pushed him over the edge but untill you deal with it first hand... May 1, 1992 Eric Houston walked on to my brothers highschool campus killing 4 students injuring others. He held my brothers class hostage till 10:30 pm. My brother had to choose students to exchange for pizza. Reading a book to block the world out. I swear pulling up to that school that day was the scariest thing I have ever had to face. I was only in 5th grade. I saw a victims mother run down the street screaming after finding out he was shot in the head in an attempt to save the girls life next to him.
His excuse, his first victim the teacher that failed him causing him his diploma. He couldn't get a job, his gf broke up with him his anger just built. The music and movies didn't cause it. But he watched terminator II about two dozen times to get pumped for it. His intention wasn't to go after the students but once he killed the first he snapped. My poor brother god knows the pain he lives with to this day. He is now epileptic and on meds.
Funny my mom let me go to the same highscool.

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:


373 people in Germany
151 people in Canada
57 people in Australia
19 people in Japan
54 people in England and Wales, and
11,789 people in the United States

Originally posted by RoundEye
Why should they be charged if they used resonable care to lock up the guns? My parent used to lock up stuff, and I would get a screwdriver and unscrew the hinges on the door to get in.

They lost thier child and unless they were woefully negligent they should be left alone.

Lot's of pain and suffering for everybody involved, no need to try and punish the parents any more they they already have been.

parents should know that kids will get into whatever they lock up like you said yourself. I would say the same if he just shot himself alone in his home or if he and a friend were looking at it and it accidently went off. The joy of owning a gun should not outweigh the possible risk of losing a loved one.

many gun clubs and even some firing ranges have lockers that allow people to store their guns out of the home. Unless this man was a police officer i dont think he had any reason to have one gun, let alone the 2 or more that he kept in his home.

Originally posted by Meggie
many gun clubs and even some firing ranges have lockers that allow people to store their guns out of the home. Unless this man was a police officer i dont think he had any reason to have one gun, let alone the 2 or more that he kept in his home.

He's legally allowed to, no reason other should be required as to why he owns them. And by even putting LOCKS on his cabinet, I'm sure you'd be hard-pressed to show parental negligence in this case.

So if I steal a gun from someone else's home and kill someone, are those owners responsible? Under that logic, they are "indirectly responsible"...

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
He's legally allowed to, no reason other should be required as to why he owns them. And by even putting LOCKS on his cabinet, I'm sure you'd be hard-pressed to show parental negligence in this case.

So if I steal a gun from someone else's home and kill someone, are those owners responsible? Under that logic, they are "indirectly responsible"...

legally i know they will never get charged. im just saying someone with kids shouldnt have guns in their homes.

Originally posted by Meggie
legally i know they will never get charged. im just saying someone with kids shouldnt have guns in their homes.

So you believe people should forfeit their 2nd Amendment rights simply because they have a child? Even if they take the extra steps to ensure that they don't get into the child's hands (such as with locks) and even give the kid (when (s)he's old enough) the proper training on gun safety?

I understand that firearms are extremely dangerous and should only be in a minor's hand under certain conditions (proper supervision being an obvious one), but I don't believe that one should have to give up rights such as that simply because they have a child. If the kid REALLY wanted to shoot someone, he would've found a gun, one way or another.

The only people I could see your comments being directed at are those who are reckless with firearms, the type that leaves a loaded gun in a drawer where a child could easily pick it up. And if that's the case, then yes, I do believe the parents are responsible.

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
So you believe people should forfeit their 2nd Amendment rights simply because they have a child? Even if they take the extra steps to ensure that they don't get into the child's hands (such as with locks) and even give the kid (when (s)he's old enough) the proper training on gun safety?

I understand that firearms are extremely dangerous and should only be in a minor's hand under certain conditions (proper supervision being an obvious one), but I don't believe that one should have to give up rights such as that simply because they have a child. If the kid REALLY wanted to shoot someone, he would've found a gun, one way or another.

The only people I could see your comments being directed at are those who are reckless with firearms, the type that leaves a loaded gun in a drawer where a child could easily pick it up. And if that's the case, then yes, I do believe the parents are responsible.

YES.

Originally posted by BIGJIMSLATE
So you believe people should forfeit their 2nd Amendment rights simply because they have a child? Even if they take the extra steps to ensure that they don't get into the child's hands (such as with locks) and even give the kid (when (s)he's old enough) the proper training on gun safety?

I understand that firearms are extremely dangerous and should only be in a minor's hand under certain conditions (proper supervision being an obvious one), but I don't believe that one should have to give up rights such as that simply because they have a child. If the kid REALLY wanted to shoot someone, he would've found a gun, one way or another.

The only people I could see your comments being directed at are those who are reckless with firearms, the type that leaves a loaded gun in a drawer where a child could easily pick it up. And if that's the case, then yes, I do believe the parents are responsible.

Well said...

Originally posted by Meggie
YES.

Be sure to clear your home of all pens,pencils,forks,knives,rope,wire,water,fire,chemicals,blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blah.......

Sheeple

The parents should not be held responsible for the kids actions. The kid is responsoble for his own actions. Parents could be accountable for negligens in rare cases, but having guns locked in a cabinet is not negligent.

I have a rifle in my bedroom closet. My klids have held it, unloaded. The bullets are nowhere that they could ever find them. My kids are also responsible kids who have been trained well, have high ethical standards and have COMMON SENSE. I trust them. They's never do anything silly like go on a shooting spree.

Kids that end up killing other kids, esp such as in school shootings, were LOST souls long long before they acted out on their psychoses. Kids do not become instant killers overnight, they gradually become more and more insane. Drugs like Ritilan speed up the insanity. But a kid on Ritilan, was 'a lost soul' long before ever taking it.

Parents who put their kids on such drugs are ALREADY irresponsible and looking for ways to cope with their problems of raising kids. These parents should not own guns. (not enforced by law, but by their own choosing) After all, they helped create the condition in the kid!

It's kind of interesting, in any other western country, gun deaths are abhorred. Yet they are so prevalent in the US that people are more concerned with their constitutional right to bear arms than with the actual number of deaths caused by arms.

Originally posted by dreww71
It's kind of interesting, in any other western country, gun deaths are abhorred. Yet they are so prevalent in the US that people are more concerned with their constitutional right to bear arms than with the actual number of deaths caused by arms.

I like you dreww

Originally posted by dreww71
It's kind of interesting, in any other western country, gun deaths are abhorred. Yet they are so prevalent in the US that people are more concerned with their constitutional right to bear arms than with the actual number of deaths caused by arms.

When has a firearm killed anyone??? It's foolish ,immature,hateful people who do the killing not the inanimate object..If you belive a inanimate hunk of steel is the cause of the death then give up your right to drive,give up your steak/kitchen knives,give up your screwdrivers and hammers because every year these objects are involved in more deaths than firearms..Dont set all high and mighty tell me I have to give up my hobby because you dont agree with it...

Baaah sheeple......

Originally posted by dreww71
It's kind of interesting, in any other western country, gun deaths are abhorred. Yet they are so prevalent in the US that people are more concerned with their constitutional right to bear arms than with the actual number of deaths caused by arms.

I agree

Originally posted by Prey521
Quoting Chris Rock:

"Everybody wanna know what the kids was listenin to! What kinda music was they listenin to! What kinda movies was they watchin! Who gives a f*ck what they was watchin! Whatever happened to crazy, can't somebody be crazy no more? Did we just eliminate crazy from the dictionary?"

I agree I was quite normal till I went crazy...

Originally posted by Needlefreak
When has a firearm killed anyone??? It's foolish ,immature,hateful people who do the killing not the inanimate object..If you belive a inanimate hunk of steel is the cause of the death then give up your right to drive,give up your steak/kitchen knives,give up your screwdrivers and hammers because every year these objects are involved in more deaths than firearms..Dont set all high and mighty tell me I have to give up my hobby because you dont agree with it...

Baaah sheeple......

Actually, I'm not telling you at all to give up your hobby. I just think it's sad that a hobby or gun culture rather, leads to so many deaths compared to other nations with stricter gun controls. Somehow they manage just fine without having to give up their cars or steak knives. Besides, you don't hear to many incidents of little Johnny picking up the kitchen steakknife and killing half his class. Why? Because a gun is much more effective. Anyway, I have no personal interest in this since I don't live in the US; I'm just startled by the number of unnecessary deaths and hope something can be done to improve this problem. And I don't mean just banning weapons since this option would just not work in the US, but ideas like storing guns at gun clubs sound good to me.

Kind of funny, that my parents chose not to put me on ritilin.

Originally posted by TonyT
The parents should not be held responsible for the kids actions. The kid is responsoble for his own actions. Parents could be accountable for negligens in rare cases, but having guns locked in a cabinet is not negligent.

I have a rifle in my bedroom closet. My klids have held it, unloaded. The bullets are nowhere that they could ever find them. My kids are also responsible kids who have been trained well, have high ethical standards and have COMMON SENSE. I trust them. They's never do anything silly like go on a shooting spree.

Kids that end up killing other kids, esp such as in school shootings, were LOST souls long long before they acted out on their psychoses. Kids do not become instant killers overnight, they gradually become more and more insane. Drugs like Ritilan speed up the insanity. But a kid on Ritilan, was 'a lost soul' long before ever taking it.

Parents who put their kids on such drugs are ALREADY irresponsible and looking for ways to cope with their problems of raising kids. These parents should not own guns. (not enforced by law, but by their own choosing) After all, they helped create the condition in the kid!

Originally posted by Needlefreak
When has a firearm killed anyone??? It's foolish ,immature,hateful people who do the killing not the inanimate object..If you belive a inanimate hunk of steel is the cause of the death then give up your right to drive,give up your steak/kitchen knives,give up your screwdrivers and hammers because every year these objects are involved in more deaths than firearms..Dont set all high and mighty tell me I have to give up my hobby because you dont agree with it...

Baaah sheeple......

Exactly.

If someone wants to kill someone, they'll do it with or without a gun, period.

Originally posted by dreww71
It's kind of interesting, in any other western country, gun deaths are abhorred. Yet they are so prevalent in the US that people are more concerned with their constitutional right to bear arms than with the actual number of deaths caused by arms.

Ok, so you're taking the Michael Moore approach. Yes, the US has plenty of guns...but you know what, so do many other countries. Its not as if the US is the only country that allows guns...and is therefore the only country to have murders commited by them. I think you need to look into this a little further than simply saying that this is because Americans have the right to bear arms.

A gun is a tool. A gun is a weapon. Both cases require a human element to commit murder.

I used to be sort of anti-gun, for the reasons cited above. I even posted a term paper I wrote about it last year. But events and trends of the past few years have gradually changed my mind. I still don't think personal ownership is protected by the 2nd Amendment, but I do think a right to own is a good thing. Wasn't it the NRA that used to talk of "jackbooted thugs"? With Asscroft's KGB units getting more intrusive every day, I'd feel better knowing that average Americans are armed to the teeth.

As for higher rates of violence in the US, it's more about culture/education/behavior, not weapons. Don't think so? Compare Switzerland, where gun ownership is higher, but crime much much lower.