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Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:38 am**

Mehmet wrote:You still stand by your statement that the root problem is Islam. I know what you edited, and I quoted you above. That is my problem.

i did say the root problem of Islamic terrorism is Islam..

but i also said in the same quote...that not all muslims are terrorists, and i edited my original post because i realized people would take it the wrong way so changed it.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:52 am**

Americans are not all nice people. In the 1800s alone 10s of thousands of American Indians where killed by the US Army to pave the way for settlers. Do we hide this fact from our history books..? No... We also don't like to talk about it much. We are not nice people when we’re at war. Killing folks is not a humane act; it is best left to professional trained armed forces.

We also resisted kicking and screaming our way against joining Allies in WW I & II. Had we not participated in those Europe adventures, we would most likely would be speaking German today.

Had we gave in to the cold war with the Soviets and exposed our soft white "pieman under bellies" and said we're wrong for opposing you. Our natural resources and way of life would have never existed as it does today. I am not naive enough to believe that terrorists will leave us alone. And I am glad our governing leadership agrees with me. We Americans have chose to fight terrorist in their backyard on their turf.

But Pies ok defending Muslims; just because 19 folks crashed two jets into some towers, is not enough for him to see the big picture on how some musilms are evil and misguided.

This was an act of war BTW, supported by congress after 911. Yes we are evil for wanting to kill Muslims. But we are looking out for the ones with well-documented plans on killing Americans and all Jews living in the Middle East. Pie would prefer we left the Middle East alone… it’s none of our business. That’s his right to speak his mind but dude is he way wrong… and he needs review history books on how chit escalates if you leave unstable regions like the middle east the way they are.

I am sorry he has no clue about how stable regions of the world are with US service men and women stationed abroad. I mean both economically & security wise. Are we always welcome over seas? Hell no. Do we know how to behave and act in those countries? Not clearly well enough… so nope again. But we are there, propping up foreign economies and providing loads of stability.

Look at Germany and Japan today. You bump ugly with the bull we kick your azz. Then we fix up your country by giving all your people things like water, schools, electricity for everyone. We also rebuild your industry, your economy. Restore your way of life. We honor your countries traditional way of life. We let you rule your people. Sadam was never this nice… boy were we evil and naughty for doing this.

Sure there’s a long lag between getting this restoration process going. But largely these countries are better off. We don’t start wars, but we sure end them and just look where Germany and Japan are today. I think we did well.

Yes there was a cost… folks die in war, some were innocents killed by our troops. Again something we’d don’t hide or are proud of. It happens, we learn from it. We punish folks who F’d up, apologize and move on.

Having served seven tours of duty in the sand and personally seen 1st hand our work to liberate an oppressed people. Most largely happy to live free and choose their leadership vs. a dictatorship. Wow that just a no brainier, it’s worth it.

Pie can disagree, that fine. He’ll have his moment of clarity when those so-called harmless muslins kick up more mischief by killing someone he knows and loves, or more 911s happen in his backyard.

It makes better sense to fight over there, but if he’d rather have the fight in his backyard. That’s his choice. I’m glad he’s not in charge. I have faith that our Intelligence, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Executive staff, Congress and our entire Department of Defense. They are way smarter folks then he gives them credit.

I expect more clip and paste of this or that… Supporting stuff he wants to believe. You know stuff he’s not seen 1st hand. It’s ok for him to surf for data that supports what he wants and desires.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:27 am**

Far-N-Wide wrote:
This was an act of war BTW, supported by congress after 911. Yes we are evil for wanting to kill Muslims. But we are looking out for the ones with well-documented plans on killing Americans and all Jews living in the Middle East. Pie would prefer we left the Middle East alone… it’s none of our business. That’s his right to speak his mind but dude is he way wrong… and he needs review history books on how chit escalates if you leave unstable regions like the middle east the way they are.

I'd like you to show me an act of war BY WHO??What country attacked us? I'd like you to go to the FBI site itself and look at their wanted list and see if you see Bin Ladens name there as being wanted for even the attack on the WTC or anything to do with 9-11! They don't even have proof as to wether OBL even did it. Sure he said he did it, and before that he denied it.
As you say you are entitled to speak your opinion...wether you know what you are saying or not. I think you are just happy with the fact that they are just out there killing muslims.
As far as Israel goes, you can keep your head buried in the sand and continue to think the Israeli government is just a bunch of innocent bystanders in this whole mess, but they are the ones who are putting their citizens in danger by not following UN rules and discontinuing the settlers from building in occupied territories and allowing their citizens as well as their defense forces in the occupied territories to run amuk killing Palestinian civilians and burning houses and factories. You heard radical muslims admitting their guilt but yet you didn't hear why they were admitting their guilt and why they would bring it closer to home for America and Americans. I am not a Neocon waiting for the return of Christ , nor am I a zionist that I'm willing to give up my freedoms in exchange for a government to hold onto a tract of land that could easily be shared among 2 peoples. We are not solving anything by allowing the situation in Israel and Palestine to worsen and on top of it, expand it into other Muslim nations as well by killing other innocent muslims on a daily basis.
Your solution is to just kill more people and to go after ghosts that may or may not exist. Your solution is expanding the problem. We've been trying your way for several years already and its not getting any better. Its wierd how they don't try the obvious solution and sit both Israel and Palestine down
and tell them both to get their **** together and to come to an amicable and fair split in the land and to cease attacking each other or face the consequences on BOTH sides.
You and GH both can continue to try to twist my words around and to insist that Im pro this or anti that, but I'm neither. I have maintained from the beginning that none of them are innocent, none of them are entitled to be in possesion of WMD's and none of them are innocent of endangering the lives of their own people as well as killing innocent civilians. It is YOU and GH and people like you who are one sided and continue to insist that Israel is entitled to have WMD's, that she should be allowed to continue a nuclear program that is not monitored, and that she is just an innocent victim of random attacks. It is you and GH and people like you who make claims that Israel is the victim of threats against her while they routinely threaten neighboring countries with harm, and this is documented and warnings by the UN have gone unheeded. I at least admit that neither side is innocent. You 2 on the other hand will continue to blame one side and act as tho killing people will help. Your way has only brought us into a higher state of security ,and a loss of our freedoms.

Find a way to seperate the people that want to continue this warring, and the enabling of Israel/Palestine conflict to continue, and the people who want to continue forward with enactments like this Patriot act and domestic wiretapping, from the rest of us "Pieman underbellies" and lets see who has to worry about being attacked by terrorists more. If the piemans get attacked, more then likely it would be by the Far-N-wides dressed as terrorists that want us to fear their government,spit on the constitution,have everyone under surveilance, attack everyones way of life that doesn't conform to theirs and to live like we are in prison camps as they would have everyone who isn't like them be.

IN THE FUTURE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ME , BE A MAN AND TYPE YOUR DAMN MESSAGE IN SOMETHING READABLE. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DO THIS PURPOSEFULLY TO BE A JACKASS, AS YOU HAVE WRITTEN MANY MESSAGES IN NORMAL TEXT COLOR IN THE PAST.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:25 am**

thepieman wrote:I'd like you to show me an act of war BY WHO??What country attacked us? I'd like you to go to the FBI site itself and look at their wanted list and see if you see Bin Ladens name there as being wanted for even the attack on the WTC or anything to do with 9-11! They don't even have proof as to wether OBL even did it. Sure he said he did it, and before that he denied it.
As you say you are entitled to speak your opinion...wether you know what you are saying or not. I think you are just happy with the fact that they are just out there killing muslims.
As far as Israel goes, you can keep your head buried in the sand and continue to think the Israeli government is just a bunch of innocent bystanders in this whole mess, but they are the ones who are putting their citizens in danger by not following UN rules and discontinuing the settlers from building in occupied territories and allowing their citizens as well as their defense forces in the occupied territories to run amuk killing Palestinian civilians and burning houses and factories. You heard radical muslims admitting their guilt but yet you didn't hear why they were admitting their guilt and why they would bring it closer to home for America and Americans. I am not a Neocon waiting for the return of Christ , nor am I a zionist that I'm willing to give up my freedoms in exchange for a government to hold onto a tract of land that could easily be shared among 2 peoples. We are not solving anything by allowing the situation in Israel and Palestine to worsen and on top of it, expand it into other Muslim nations as well by killing other innocent muslims on a daily basis.
Your solution is to just kill more people and to go after ghosts that may or may not exist. Your solution is expanding the problem. We've been trying your way for several years already and its not getting any better. Its wierd how they don't try the obvious solution and sit both Israel and Palestine down
and tell them both to get their **** together and to come to an amicable and fair split in the land and to cease attacking each other or face the consequences on BOTH sides.
You and GH both can continue to try to twist my words around and to insist that Im pro this or anti that, but I'm neither. I have maintained from the beginning that none of them are innocent, none of them are entitled to be in possesion of WMD's and none of them are innocent of endangering the lives of their own people as well as killing innocent civilians. It is YOU and GH and people like you who are one sided and continue to insist that Israel is entitled to have WMD's, that she should be allowed to continue a nuclear program that is not monitored, and that she is just an innocent victim of random attacks. It is you and GH and people like you who make claims that Israel is the victim of threats against her while they routinely threaten neighboring countries with harm, and this is documented and warnings by the UN have gone unheeded. I at least admit that neither side is innocent. You 2 on the other hand will continue to blame one side and act as tho killing people will help. Your way has only brought us into a higher state of security ,and a loss of our freedoms.

Find a way to seperate the people that want to continue this warring, and the enabling of Israel/Palestine conflict to continue, and the people who want to continue forward with enactments like this Patriot act and domestic wiretapping, from the rest of us "Pieman underbellies" and lets see who has to worry about being attacked by terrorists more. If the piemans get attacked, more then likely it would be by the Far-N-wides dressed as terrorists that want us to fear their government,spit on the constitution,have everyone under surveilance, attack everyones way of life that doesn't conform to theirs and to live like we are in prison camps as they would have everyone who isn't like them be.

IN THE FUTURE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ME , BE A MAN AND TYPE YOUR DAMN MESSAGE IN SOMETHING READABLE. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DO THIS PURPOSEFULLY TO BE A JACKASS, AS YOU HAVE WRITTEN MANY MESSAGES IN NORMAL TEXT COLOR IN THE PAST.

So Pie still going to vote for your favirote Mayor Ed Koch for President? LMAO

You hate Israel so much i am still shocked to see you want him for President.

If islamic terrorism is becuase of our support of Israel as everyone loves to blame...why were there 17 terrorists plotting to do a big attack in Canada?

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:26 am**

Please use white font. That is all

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:12 am**

Ghosthunter wrote:root cause is usually within, we all have that free will to do good or evil these terrorists choose to do evil. It simple to me.

christians have committed similar atrocities right here in America in the form of abortion clinic bombings....so Islam isn't the root cause GH.

Oppression, perceived or real can lead to radicalism.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:16 am**

UOD wrote:christians have committed similar atrocities right here in America in the form of abortion clinic bombings....so Islam isn't the root cause GH.

Oppression, perceived or real can lead to radicalism.

we have had very few abortion clinic bombings compared to Islamic terrorism.

in fact i dont remeber the last time we even seen one. In fact I just looked it up since 1989 there have been 25 murders due to abortion bombings. While I dont agree with bombing clinics I would not call that a major problem or an epidemic, nor would I be extremely worried about it.

You cannot deny Islamic terrorists are the majority of terrorists who are committing the terrorist attacks on a daily basis esepcially in Africa and Middle East. Their entire religion believes if you kill yourself killing others you will go to heaven.

Why were 17 islamic terrorists planning on doing a massive attack in Canada? What did Canada have to do with Israel if that is the root cause?

Right now there are more conlficts with muslims killing other muslims, in fact muslims are killing themselves moreso then any other external nation. They have no problem with killing muslims if they beleive they do not follow their way. Just look at Sudan or other places like Algeria

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:23 am**

Mehmet wrote:Oh god, I don't even know where to begin. Maybe with all of the things they have taken out of context? maybe of the false Hadiths? Maybe of the picking of random verses without relating the rest of the story? Or maybe I should just shut up because nothing I say will have any effect on you.

Yeah, Honestly, You're wasting your time....he'll never understand.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:54 am**

Ghosthunter wrote: Their entire religion believes if you kill yourself killing others you will go to heaven.

Blanket statements like this is why you draw such heat to your posts.

As for my example on root causes and Israel, it was but one of many. I used Israel because you could relate to it.

The Koran does not espouse salvation through violence....the Bible doesn't either. So again I ask....what is the root cause of radicalism? Do you really think that some people just wake up and say "let's go nuts and kill people"?

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:57 am**

Ghosthunter wrote: Why were 17 islamic terrorists planning on doing a massive attack in Canada? What did Canada have to do with Israel if that is the root cause?

Same reason why the terrorists completed attacks in Spain and in England....because they are supporters of the US.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:10 pm**

UOD wrote:Blanket statements like this is why you draw such heat to your posts.

As for my example on root causes and Israel, it was but one of many. I used Israel because you could relate to it.

The Koran does not espouse salvation through violence....the Bible doesn't either. So again I ask....what is the root cause of radicalism? Do you really think that some people just wake up and say "let's go nuts and kill people"?

they dont just wake up they are taught this at such an early age.

Have you ever sesen the books they use in their schools? the hatred that is taught is inngrained in their head.

If they truly follow muhammed then you know they will have no problem using violence against those who do not beleive the same thing. For them since muhammed was a warlord who did horrible atrocities why would islamic terrorists think twice?

In analyzing the 93 school textbooks published by the Saudi Ministry of Education and in circulation between 1999 and 2002, the report reveals the widespread presence of contempt towards Western civilization and followers of other religions. Here are the main findings from our report:

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Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:12 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:they dont just wake up they are taught this at such an early age.

Have you ever sesen the books they use in their schools? the hatred that is taught is inngrained in their head.

If they truly follow muhammed then you know they will have no problem using violence against those who do not beleive the same thing. For them since muhammed was a warlord who did horrible atrocities why would islamic terrorists think twice?

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. So why are they taught and conditioned to hate?

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:38 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote: Why were 17 islamic terrorists planning on doing a massive attack in Canada? What did Canada have to do with Israel if that is the root cause?

Right now there are more conlficts with muslims killing other muslims, in fact muslims are killing themselves moreso then any other external nation. They have no problem with killing muslims if they beleive they do not follow their way. Just look at Sudan or other places like Algeria

You can play dumb but you already know thos guys in Canada were not Al Queda related but like I said its spreading and expanding. We are now just randomly killing people. Its in the news everyday unless you forgot to put on your glasses for the past couple of years.

I know brothers that fight all the time between themselves but you know what, if someone messes with either one of them they both will come after you.

I don't like Israels government. So friggin what? Is that supposed to be like a statement that I should be ashamed of when you try to imply that I hate Jews because I hate the government? Its not America. I don't like Syria, I don't like the Lebanese government and Im not too keen on organized religion either...so what about it? Your problem is that you admire their government so much that you don't mind at all if we begin to model ourselves on the way they run things over there and live as their citizens do.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:39 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote: If they truly follow muhammed then you know they will have no problem using violence against those who do not beleive the same thing. For them since muhammed was a warlord who did horrible atrocities why would islamic terrorists think twice?

Ghost, I would really start to close your mouth about subjects you know nothing about. Give me your address and I will send you the biography of Muhammad by Martin Lings, the biography that is used in most if not all college-level courses about Islam. In fact, I will send it to you for free, only on the condition that you actually read it instead of going to random internet sites getting your 'facts.'

To tell you the truth, I really despise the way the middle east runs. The governments are all corrupt, human rights are stepped upon everyday and there isn't one person in the arab world that is willing to reform the place into the incredibly amazing place it was many centuries ago. But yet, I still believe that the way we went upon this 'war on terror' or 'operation <insert middle eastern country here> freedom' was absolutely horrible. We went in for the wrong reasons, at the wrong time, without support. There is no excuse for what we have done, and the only way to fix the damage is to admit what we've done wrong in the recent past, and even before 9/11.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:50 pm**

UOD wrote:Ok, now we are getting somewhere. So why are they taught and conditioned to hate?

Our own hypocrisies have much to do with it indeed. Couple that with the Koran's teachings and it isn't a mystery.

Say: 'Obey Allah and the Apostle.' If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers." Sura 3:32

Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51

Christians believe that God loves everyone, but hates sin. Islam believes that God does not love unbelievers.

Both religions believe that sin is wrong, homosexuality, murder, adultry, etc.. but we by our own doings insist on practicing many abominations and flaunting it as never before. I am not justifying radical Islamist activity by any means, but rather being honest in the fact that we are a sick nation. It isn't just our politicians, businessmen and others that we like to blame it on. It's the ordinary Joe that has little or a twisted view of morailty. We are paying for our sins as a nation.

There are certainly those Muslims that hate just because, but I'm sure there are also Muslims that believe we are indeed led by Satan. We are setting a horrible example of a nation under God. Look at our TV, entertainment, sexual immorality, hypocrisy, abortion & crime.

It may sound corny, but it's up to each individual to police their own life before we can expect to be any better than anyone. For those that know my opinions, it may seem like a deviation from the norm, but I'm tired of people blaming everything on the Whitehouse when it starts in your own house.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:58 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:they dont just wake up they are taught this at such an early age.

Have you ever sesen the books they use in their schools? the hatred that is taught is inngrained in their head.

If they truly follow muhammed then you know they will have no problem using violence against those who do not beleive the same thing. For them since muhammed was a warlord who did horrible atrocities why would islamic terrorists think twice?

You can continue to try and spew your one sided hate and try to confuse and convince people that you are being honest and truthful but your just in reality a liar and pitiful person. You know just about as much of the Muslim religion as I do, which is not much. You keep trying to say everyone is after the poor jews and that the muslims are taught to hate the jews when the jews learn the same thing about arabs and muslims. I was searching for this pic I found writtin in both hebrew and english that said KILL ALL ARABS and came upon this little gem. You will of course come up with some BS and say its some form of Hebraic show of love towards arabs by the people of Israel.

http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/videos/D ... ebron1.wmv

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:10 pm**

bigmo66 wrote:Our own hypocrisies have much to do with it indeed. Couple that with the Koran's teachings and it isn't a mystery.

Say: 'Obey Allah and the Apostle.' If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers." Sura 3:32

And this is your proof of their hate? LOL Its an accurate statement even from someone back in the 2nd century! The Christians actually believe that they need their all important 150,000 Jews for Jesus to come back and think that everyone thats not saved will burn in hell. The Jews all think that they are the chosen people and will be the only ones to be going to heaven, so are you trying to say that the Muslims are any different or any less because they have a special feeling about their religion too?

Your statement is nonsense and it doesn't prove anything about hatred. The Bible and Old testament all have messages of hatred and death in them too. Even the murder of ones own children...so what. This is what happens when you all abide by something that was written for a people of a different time.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:23 pm**

thepieman wrote:And this is your proof of their hate? LOL Its an accurate statement even from someone back in the 2nd century! The Christians actually believe that they need their all important 150,000 Jews for Jesus to come back and think that everyone thats not saved will burn in hell. The Jews all think that they are the chosen people and will be the only ones to be going to heaven, so are you trying to say that the Muslims are any different or any less because they have a special feeling about their religion too?

A friend of mine wrote a nice little thing about Christian Zionism and why it is anti-semitic, check it out:

http://yamansalahi.livejournal.com/23045.html

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:30 pm**

thepieman wrote: The Jews all think that they are the chosen people and will be the only ones to be going to heaven

that not true at all..we are chosen by G-d to peform 613 commandments...trust me you don't want to be Jewish, it not easy be Jewish at all, but i am still proud of being Jewish. In fact all non-jews will still have a place in world to come as long as they follow 7 noachide laws, which are basically the 10 comamndments for most part.

Judaism believes in tolerance and diversity of other religions such as christianity and muslim...in fact that is the reason why I believe radical terrorists cannot stand the west and Israel, because we allow for people to practice what they want. In fact we do not want people to convert to Judaism at all. We prefer not to.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:33 pm**

Mehmet wrote:Ghost, I would really start to close your mouth about subjects you know nothing about. Give me your address and I will send you the biography of Muhammad by Martin Lings, the biography that is used in most if not all college-level courses about Islam. In fact, I will send it to you for free, only on the condition that you actually read it instead of going to random internet sites getting your 'facts.'

To tell you the truth, I really despise the way the middle east runs. The governments are all corrupt, human rights are stepped upon everyday and there isn't one person in the arab world that is willing to reform the place into the incredibly amazing place it was many centuries ago. But yet, I still believe that the way we went upon this 'war on terror' or 'operation <insert middle eastern country here> freedom' was absolutely horrible. We went in for the wrong reasons, at the wrong time, without support. There is no excuse for what we have done, and the only way to fix the damage is to admit what we've done wrong in the recent past, and even before 9/11.

muhammed turned on the Jews once they rejected his teachings and either forced them to convert or kill them. I would not call that peace and that was only the start of it.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:41 pm**

Mehmet wrote:A friend of mine wrote a nice little thing about Christian Zionism and why it is anti-semitic, check it out:

http://yamansalahi.livejournal.com/23045.html

Well the Israeli government takes full advantage of it. This is why you see a lot of these devout Christians never supporting any move to peace with the Palestinians if it means giving up any of the "Biblical Land". The die hards in their government use these Christians to maintain their control. Its a very powerful lobby. I bet this arm of 'a peaceful religion' has probably supplied more weapons of mass destruction and death to the Israeli government then any of the people they constantly attempt to demonise in total,since the earlier centuries, but they won't see it like this.

Pie

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:15 pm**

thepieman wrote:You can continue to try and spew your one sided hate and try to confuse and convince people that you are being honest and truthful but your just in reality a liar and pitiful person. You know just about as much of the Muslim religion as I do, which is not much. You keep trying to say everyone is after the poor jews and that the muslims are taught to hate the jews when the jews learn the same thing about arabs and muslims. I was searching for this pic I found writtin in both hebrew and english that said KILL ALL ARABS and came upon this little gem. You will of course come up with some BS and say its some form of Hebraic show of love towards arabs by the people of Israel.

http://s023.dyndns.org/kawther/videos/D ... ebron1.wmv

I have no hatred whatsoever to any muslims or anyone else. I do not like or support islamic terrorists or any kind of terrorists. They are evil and choose evil. They need to be stopped.

As far as your link goes for some reason I cannot open it...so i have no idea...i am sure there are some Jewish extremists out there who might have something that you are saying (Jews are not perfect, just like no human is perfect)...but it would be such a minority becuase I have never once ever heard any hatred rhetoric from any rabbi, or any fellow Jew about we to destroy an entire race or culture, or to even hate muslims, or palestinians. Have you ever heard me say we need to wipe out all of muslims or islam? I truly beleive in peace, but if you try to get peace and peace is not given then you have to do the next best thing and that is defend yourself while trying to prevent human life from being taken if at all possible and try to minimize it as well.

All i hear about from fellow Jews is to love your fellow man whether jewish or not and to do good deeds. There is absoutely nothing in the written or oral Torah that says to do otherwise

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:31 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote: In fact we do not want people to convert to Judaism at all. We prefer not to.

LOL...lack of space????

I think it's probably more along the lines of exclusivity.

In any case, the United Arab Emirates welcomes all religions...so there goes your whole Muslim hate thing.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:51 pm**

UOD wrote:LOL...lack of space????

I think it's probably more along the lines of exclusivity.

In any case, the United Arab Emirates welcomes all religions...so there goes your whole Muslim hate thing.

if someone truly wants to convert and is truly serious to dedicating their life to following Torah, that is another story, but conversion process is not an overnight event, it takes 2-3 years of studying and showing their dedication to be officialy converted.

But like I said why would you want to? You do not need to convert to lead a Torah life.

As far as muslim nations goes..the ones that are the most tolerant to other religions are usually the ones that lean towards most secular in law.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:57 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:I have no hatred whatsoever to any muslims or anyone else. I do not like or support islamic terrorists or any kind of terrorists. They are evil and choose evil. They need to be stopped.

As far as your link goes for some reason I cannot open it...so i have no idea...i am sure there are some Jewish extremists out there who might have something that you are saying (Jews are not perfect, just like no human is perfect)...but it would be such a minority becuase I have never once ever heard any hatred rhetoric from any rabbi, or any fellow Jew about we to destroy an entire race or culture, or to even hate muslims, or palestinians. Have you ever heard me say we need to wipe out all of muslims or islam? I truly beleive in peace, but if you try to get peace and peace is not given then you have to do the next best thing and that is defend yourself while trying to prevent human life from being taken if at all possible and try to minimize it as well.

All i hear about from fellow Jews is to love your fellow man whether jewish or not and to do good deeds. There is absoutely nothing in the written or oral Torah that says to do otherwise

A coworker of mine recently went to Israel and hung out with some of teh younger crowd there ..he's 21 ....he said the people he hung out with spewed nothing but hatred towards the Palestinians ..It appears again your info is wrong.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:59 pm**

Izzo wrote:A coworker of mine recently went to Israel and hung out with some of teh younger crowd there ..he's 21 ....he said the people he hung out with spewed nothing but hatred towards the Palestinians ..It appears again your info is wrong.

yeah i am going to belive what someone you know who knows and supposedly said..

like i said earlier..there are going to be Jews who might do that, but that is not what Judaism teaches whatsoever. It is not printed in their schoolbooks, and neither is it printed in Torah to hate anyone.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:01 pm**

Christ will return. The mulsims believe this... Why would they board up the entrance to the west wall of Jerusalem? The fore told entrance he is believed to use when he returns to earth. I have faith... it'll happen...

Israel is Gods chosen people. They are a wonderful people. I have met them while deployed in Israel back in 89. I've been to homes of Jews & muslims a like. I have had supper in their homes and listened to both sides of peaceful informative discussion.

Yeah they don't agree on much. I've even met some hateful folks that want nothing but dead Jews on their holy land. Not something I agree with or support. I have volunteered for seven tour of duty in the SW Asia. I have supported what I believe is good work conducted by our government.

I've been to many sites mentioned in the Bible. I've also been to holy muslim sites, prayed at the Wailing Wall. I have experienced cultures of Jew & muslims alike. I want them to live and play nice. But there are some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that. These some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that. Have twisted their religious belief for justification in killing Jews, American & Infidels who choose not to worship allah as they see him.

Most musilms agree on this and though they have problems picking up arms against their brethren mulsims. Our civil war was tuff on us too. I can respect that. The majority of muslims largely acknowledge the some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that... as bad folk.

Israel is like the Alamo. Loads of pissed off some, few, small minority evil muslims wanting to kill them. Israel is defending it's right to exist on their land.

Are they proud of how they are conducting their military affairs? I think not. Do some of their troops kill innocent muslims. Sure they do, they are no better than any other country exercising their rights to exist.

They will always have US support. In God we trust... It's on our money. We largely believe in God (in this country). Because of that believe, we will do what we believe is right by entering into conflict after diplomacy and politics have failed. Your good about looking crap up on the Internet... spend some time researching that if you don't believe.

And on beliefs... You clearly do not believe in God. That's your privilege. It's in line with your rights as established by our government. In muslim countries that's not so. You are expected to pray 5 to 7 times a day (or more) to only one God chosen for you by your government. You are not allowed any other religious believe.

To me it's just sad that they govern by religion. But hey it works for them, it's their choice who any I to judge. I will support friendly folks who tolerate others that live and worship in different ways.

Jews, Christians & Muslims all believe in God. Those of us who believe differ on the path to heaven. Some believe in the old man who created everything "Praise God" Some believe in JC and the Boys. Others believe in profit named Allah.

This is all cool with our country's believe that you are free to worship and pray as you see fit... or choose not to. Free to choose is a privilege, something you clearly do not appreciate or fully understand. This is a basic privilege that does not exist everywhere.

Currently we (America) choose to help Israelis right to worship and pray as they see fit. They play nice and respect others (largely). Have you have any Hebrew hit squads throwing down in your neck of the woods? You know stirring up trouble, wanting your death for not beliving in their God? Know of any Christians who would cut your head off for not believing? I don't think so... get some faith and maybe your life will have more meaning.

Compassion for the oppressed and actually doing something about it is an act of kindness. More folks support Jews then muslims... for a good reason...You think the muslim hate groups need better PR then they got now.

MOST muslims want to live in peace. Some, few, small minority of evil muslims want none of that. Those are the ones we are at war with. Jews & muslims ain't perfect, but they largely respect your rights to differ. Keep in mind it's only a some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that mindset stiring up grief on the world.

Go spot off your clip this.. past that... left wing dogmah. I'm sure others find it good entertainment. A right given to you by your countrymen who fought in wars againts folks who wanted to cause you and your country harm.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:03 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:yeah i am going to belive what someone you know who knows and supposedly said..

Admit it.... you're wrong ...Have you noticed any trend in responses to your posts?.....you're clueless

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:05 pm**

Izzo wrote:Admit it.... you're wrong ...Have you noticed any trend in responses to your posts?.....you're clueless

wrong about what? i already said there might be a few Jewish extremists so go try reading my posts again.

what someone says and what someone teaches is very different things.

i cannot control what someone might have said in Israel, that person might not have been religious for all I know.

Israel is in a war and is defending thier land, how woudl you feel if someone kept trying to kill as many innocent civilains as possible by using suicide bombers? or keep lobbing missiles out of the gaza purposely to kill innocents. When Israel strike it is to target terrorists and not to purposely kill innocent, becuase if they truly did not care they could have wiped out all of Palestenians by now but tey will not and have not.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:08 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:wrong about what? i already said there might be a few Jewish extremists so go try reading my posts again.

a few ...lawl..rofl ...teehe ..lmao ...lol

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:10 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:I have no hatred whatsoever to any muslims or anyone else. I do not like or support islamic terrorists or any kind of terrorists. They are evil and choose evil. They need to be stopped.

As far as your link goes for some reason I cannot open it...so i have no idea...i am sure there are some Jewish extremists out there who might have something that you are saying (Jews are not perfect, just like no human is perfect)...but it would be such a minority becuase I have never once ever heard any hatred rhetoric from any rabbi, or any fellow Jew about we to destroy an entire race or culture, or to even hate muslims, or palestinians. Have you ever heard me say we need to wipe out all of muslims or islam? I truly beleive in peace, but if you try to get peace and peace is not given then you have to do the next best thing and that is defend yourself while trying to prevent human life from being taken if at all possible and try to minimize it as well.

All i hear about from fellow Jews is to love your fellow man whether jewish or not and to do good deeds. There is absoutely nothing in the written or oral Torah that says to do otherwise

The problem here is that you can get away with saying this because you consider the majority of Palestinians and those who sympathize with them as being terrorists. This is how you can get by with that your leaders and rabbis don't spew hate about the arabs. They have pretty much summed up that anyone that goes against the state of israel is a terrorist.

You can keep living in your cocoon and think everyone else is too but it doesn't mean they are.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:14 pm**

thepieman wrote:The problem here is that you can get away with saying this because you consider the majority of Palestinians and those who sympathize with them as being terrorists. This is how you can get by with that your leaders and rabbis don't spew hate about the arabs. They have pretty much summed up that anyone that goes against the state of israel is a terrorist.

You can keep living in your cocoon and think everyone else is too but it doesn't mean they are.

your putting words in my mouth again...i never said anything like that...

i never said palestinian citzines nomral everyday joe smoe..like us are terrorists..

but no doubt about it...hamas and other orgnaizations within palesteninan are terrorists.

It interesting how Israel and other nations refuse to recognize Hamas as a legit govt as long as they support terrorist activites, but it ok for Hamas to say the destruction of Israel is ok.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:16 pm**

Izzo wrote:a few ...lawl..rofl ...teehe ..lmao ...lol

when was the last time a so called Jewish extrmists took terrorist action and killed as many innocent lives as they possibly can?

When was the last time Islamic terrorism took innocent lives? Today

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/ ... index.html

37 killed by bomb in Baghdad and killed Iragi citizens

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:26 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote:when was the last time a so called Jewish extrmists took terrorist action and killed as many innocent lives as they possibly can?

When was the last time Islamic terrorism took innocent lives? Today

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/ ... index.html

37 killed by bomb in Baghdad and killed Iragi citizens

http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Pale ... _story.htm

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/extremists.html

While Jewish extremists have lashed out before, most notoriously in 1994 when a U.S. settler, Baruch Goldstein, gunned down 29 Arabs in a nearby mosque, never before have they struck with such frequency, Israeli officials say. And nowhere has the violence been as intense as in this disputed city, believed to be the burial place of the biblical prophet Abraham

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 33,00.html

looks like just couple years ago....but again you don't live in Israel so you don't really have a clue what the attitude is over there ..you're only guessing ..sure these links might a bit old but they're still relevant....again ..get a clue dude

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:31 pm**

Izzo wrote:http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Pale ... _story.htm

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/extremists.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 33,00.html

looks like just couple years ago....but again you don't live in Israel so you don't really have a clue what the attitude is over there ..you're only guessing ..sure these links might a bit old but they're still relevant....again ..get a clue dude

the difference is the Israeli govt doesnt support and in fact calls them criminals when was last time you heard Palesteninans call their terrorists criminals...and these are such small minority compared to how many bombings Israel has lived with over the years. This happened what almost 3 years ago?

and I do frequent an Israel board, and they in fact will not tolerate any hatred to anyone on their boards including palestinians.

The real problem and quoted from your article is this:

Then in 1997, the Israeli Army, which had controlled Hebron since the &#8216]

the more control and give up to Palesteninan authority the worst it gets.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:32 pm**

Ghosthunter wrote: and I do frequent an Israel board, and they in fact will not tolerate any hatred to anyone on their boards including palestinians.

riiiiight

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:35 pm**

Izzo wrote:a few ...lawl..rofl ...teehe ..lmao ...lol

You would be surprised how many Israelis would prefer peace with their Arab neighbors.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:37 pm**

Far-N-Wide wrote:Christ will return. The mulsims believe this... Why would they board up the entrance to the west wall of Jerusalem? The fore told entrance he is believed to use when he returns to earth. I have faith... it'll happen...

You keep waiting. In the meantime the rest of us will go on with life.

Israel is Gods chosen people. They are a wonderful people. I have met them while deployed in Israel back in 89. I've been to homes of Jews & muslims a like. I have had supper in their homes and listened to both sides of peaceful informative discussion.

In your mind

Yeah they don't agree on much. I've even met some hateful folks that want nothing but dead Jews on their holy land. Not something I agree with or support. I have volunteered for seven tour of duty in the SW Asia. I have supported what I believe is good work conducted by our government.

your a funny guy. In one sentence you say they don't agree on much but in another one you say how the muslims want dead jews. Yet you don't mention how jews want dead muslims. Yeah you are open minded and fair

I've been to many sites mentioned in the Bible. I've also been to holy muslim sites, prayed at the Wailing Wall. I have experienced cultures of Jew & muslims alike. I want them to live and play nice. But there are some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that. These some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that. Have twisted their religious belief for justification in killing Jews, American & Infidels who choose not to worship allah as they see him.

Ohhhh more stuff about the evil allah worshippers...ohhhhhh big bad army man so scared of a muslim

Most musilms agree on this and though they have problems picking up arms against their brethren mulsims. Our civil war was tuff on us too. I can respect that. The majority of muslims largely acknowledge the some, few, small minority of evil muslims that want none of that... as bad folk.

Know what, even tho Israel is killing other humans and spying on America it seems to me that you would not only not pick up arms against them, you would give them the tools to do it with to continue it.

Israel is like the Alamo. Loads of pissed off some, few, small minority evil muslims wanting to kill them. Israel is defending it's right to exist on their land.

Its like the Alamo to people like you. Other parts of the world see it differently. That country holds no religious meaning for me. The only thing the situation there does right now is make our lives unsafer. Im not the one worrying about doors being boarded up in Jerusalem. Thats you.

Are they proud of how they are conducting their military affairs? I think not. Do some of their troops kill innocent muslims. Sure they do, they are no better than any other country exercising their rights to exist.

Well what else is new. You are one of their enablers so of course its ok by you if "a few innocent muslims" get killed.

Im gonna stop here because apparently you have something wrong with you wether it was from all the fighting you've seen or whatever it is that caused your mind to snap. When someone starts talking like you do, then whats going to stop some crazed muslim thats just your opposite from thinking its ok to kill a few "innocent Americans" that get in their way. People like you are not a solution.... you are the cause.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:39 pm**

Hell_Yes wrote:You would be surprised how many Israelis would prefer peace with their Arab neighbors.

I'm sure I would be as the Israelis appear to want it more than the Arabs but to tell me there is just a few is just silly. I trust my coworker in what he said to me when he came back from Israel and feel the groups of people he was hanging out with are a good barometer of the attitude of the Israeli youth over there.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:40 pm**

Hell_Yes wrote:You would be surprised how many Israelis would prefer peace with their Arab neighbors.

David..I believe you, and this is exactly why I am not so keen on the Israeli government. They have the same crap we do. They have government that does what they want to do and not what the people want.

I see the multitude of websites by Jews all over the world calling for this to end, so I know what you say is true, but for some reason the government continues anyway and the US keeps feeding them the weaponry to do it with.

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