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downhill wrote:Then don't debate it. Nobody is DEFENDING it persay. Some just have a differing opinion on what to do to fix it.



I only jumped back in this thread to discuss the point that how the thread was presented, certinly wasn't the whole picture. It turns out it wasn't even close to the truth.

there isnt much to the picture..some guy wo raped a 7 year old was sentenced to 60 days...i am sorry but as a parent that is truly absurd and ridiculous...that judge should be thrown off the bench

It seems to me that the issue here starts with whether the offender is ever going to be in public again. Not whether we think he should be, or when he will be, but will he ever be? The answer is almost certainly yes.

That brings us to what we want him to be like when this event occurs. I think we would like him to never be in a position to assault anyone again. The judge's solution is to have him treated. If he had been sent to prison, he would have received no treatment.

Another solution is chemical castration for life of all sex offenders. Patently unconstitutional, but it absolutely works 100%. Unfortunately, I can vouch for that.

Beyond that, does anyone have a solution?

Kip Patterson wrote:It seems to me that the issue here starts with

It's also an expected behavior, as this type of crime is one of the more despised, more "taboo", riles up anger in the public mind and forms it into a lynch mob.

IMO there's nothing wrong with that, it's going to happen in each and every one of these situations...pretty much regardless of the outcome of the sentence unless it's a public viewing of a drawn and quartering, or public beheading.

Nobody wants this guy back in public....what if he were relocated back in "your" neighborhood? (I'm not aiming that at anyone in particular..just a line for each person to think about and answer internally). Some people here may remember a thread I had about a year ago, where it became known a sex offender was moving into a house down the street from me. I had never given a moments thought before to sex offenders and where they live...until it hit home.

So it's certainly a question for anyone who agrees with the judges decision....what if the person was to move down the street from you, especially if you have kids or grandkids. Does that change your comfort level in the slightest bit?

There is also the high percentage of doubt of the effectiveness of treatment plans. Save for chemical castration I guess.

Agreed. Our neighborhood bad guy is eight houses away.

He got off with a $50 fine for three counts of what used to be called statuatory rape.

There is little you can do except make sure everyone in the 'hood knows.

Augustus wrote:whoppedoo..and how many were abused and never abused anyone?

we dont know becuase most abuse is never ever reported. it impossible to study..so 1% of abusers were abused big deal..doesnt mean anything

1 percent? Ok GH, you just proved my point again that you don't read others posts or links to articles.

downhill wrote:1 percent? Ok GH, you just proved my point again that you don't read others posts or links to articles.

that article doesnt show a thing...

simple..most abuses in this country is done by a family member or close friend of the family like a priest..not some stranger who abducts a kid...when that happens 90% of time it is never reported becuase of either fear or embarassment.

We dont know how many kids have been abused in the past 100 years...but lets assume it is a high amount...also it is known that an abuser will abuse multiple kids in the family...now how can you do a study when not all the statistics are there?

Say 10 million kids have been abused in past 20 years...but only 5% of those are reported..then how can you do an accurate study to find out how many of those abusers were abused? You mean all these kids who were abused by priests are going to have a high chance of becoming an abuser that is just ignorance and any reputable psychologist/psychiatrist will say the same thing.

Augustus wrote:that article doesnt show a thing...

simple..most abuses in this country is done by a family member or close friend of the family like a priest..not some stranger who abducts a kid...when that happens 90% of time it is never reported becuase of either fear or embarassment.

We dont know how many kids have been abused in the past 100 years...but lets assume it is a high amount...also it is known that an abuser will abuse multiple kids in the family...now how can you do a study when not all the statistics are there?

Say 10 million kids have been abused in past 20 years...but only 5% of those are reported..then how can you do an accurate study to find out how many of those abusers were abused? You mean all these kids who were abused by priests are going to have a high chance of becoming an abuser that is just ignorance and any reputable psychologist/psychiatrist will say the same thing.

Where do your stats/conclusions come from? I actually did some research on this subject in college...this sort of abuse is almost always learned - either as witness or victim.

cyberskye wrote:Where do your stats/conclusions come from? I actually did some research on this subject in college...this sort of abuse is almost always learned - either as witness or victim.

there are no real stats that is exactly the problem.


why do you think most people who are abused refuse to discuss or come out about it, one reason is they feel they asked for it though thast is not true and then people will automatically assume they will become abuser as well, it is a stigma that does no one any good.

Why do the stats have to be perfect? You've stated that it's a misconseption that abusers were once abused themselves......

I've showed on link that proves that statement wrong. I could certianly put up others or you could easily google the percentages yourself. cyber has just stated that he's also done research in the subject.

You're turning around what you already stated.

Now add to that, again, I only jumped in this thread to show the original part of the thread was about this judge.

I've stated that I don't agree with a 60 day sentence but I can certianly see that the offender isn't just getting a slap on the wrist. He's gettiin help and supervision for a very long time. In his state, that wasn't possible otherwise.

Also the judge in question gets high marks for the most part, which is contrary to what one member here, says about the guy.

Have we got you wound up yet?

downhill wrote:Why do the stats have to be perfect? You've stated that it's a misconseption that abusers were once abused themselves......

I've showed on link that proves that statement wrong. I could certianly put up others or you could easily google the percentages yourself. cyber has just stated that he's also done research in the subject.

stats will never be perfect..but if you dont have all the info it impossible to come up with a study and say it is conclusive...

serisouly you might want to find out some more info from people who were abused as a child not from studies done years ago..how many people do you know who were abused have since becomee an abuser?

the people who do use that excuse is just looking for a scapegoat because they dont know how to take personal responsibility

i still say judge should be thrown out...i am all for keeping people like this locked up forever till they die so no need to worry about treatment.

Augustus wrote:they dont deserve treatment...why should state pay for it when it wont do anything?

they will jsut get out and do it again..prison is what they need for life we try too much to rehabd in this country and waste taxpayers money

Usually people who abuse others, have been victims themselves... it is a vicious cycle.

Also victims turn out to be other things. Take the woman serial killer Aileen Wuornus (Monster*)... she was a victim...and the abuse from her brother, turned her into a prostitute and murderer. He Dad was tossed in mental hospitals because he was a abuser, although she never knew him.


Just like the thread about strippers, etc. Some women are former victims of child abuse, become runaways, etc. or split to get out of a bad home situation. Once you realize the mentality behind it, or some of the conditions leading to their choices, you feel more sorry for these women, than you do turned on.