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YARDofSTUF wrote:Wow, you're a religous tinfoil hat nutcase? Thats just awesomely... not awesome.

I say **** just happens, and then people like you make up 6 million reasons why it did.

I'm a nut case when God is the one who told us about marriage and its laws. Your the ignorant child who needs to grow up. The U.S. nor any country has the right to change a law and principle that God made in the first place you Jack ass. You wouldn't know what marriage is unless it was not for the bible. YOS your just stupid.

No one is a nutcase and no one is stupid. We all are what we are and the topic of religion creates so much separation and animosity among the masses.

I often wonder why so many people cannot accept others for their own beliefs.

This separation and animosity is a theme I find with the teachings of Osho, an Indian Buddhist. He makes so much sense, but again, that is MY OPINION. You do not have to agree. That is ok.

Take it easy there guys. Debate without all the nastiness.

Debbie wrote: I often wonder why so many people cannot accept others for their own beliefs.

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Because we decent people are sick and tired off our country being ruined by crap like this.

YOS, I want a serious reply to how we can change a law and idea that was made by god in the first place? Come on, Not one person would even have the idea of marriage if it were not for the bible so how do you think that some judge has the power to change a law made by God himself. Say that you know for 100 percent sure that yes he is real. Don't you think he is going to be a little angry at that?

Roody wrote:Take it easy there guys. Debate without all the nastiness.

I think you need to punish the person who made me reply like that don't you!!

jasonb31 wrote:Well if you want to burn in hell, Be my guest says the devil. As we inch closer to that time of judgment it is things like this that will bring horrific punishment on our country as a whole rather than just bad individuals so thanks.

jasonb31 wrote:I think you need to punish the person who made me reply like that don't you!!

I think there has been alot of borderline remarks made in this thread, but a remark saying someone is stupid goes right over that borderline. Let's just keep it somewhat toned down and avoid the insults and this thread will be fine.

jasonb31 wrote:I'm a nut case when God is the one who told us about marriage and its laws. Your the ignorant child who needs to grow up. The U.S. nor any country has the right to change a law and principle that God made in the first place you Jack ass. You wouldn't know what marriage is unless it was not for the bible. YOS your just stupid.

I don't give a **** about marriage, but the US doesnt need to make laws based on the bible, because if you believe in teh bible, its already law, and if not, then its a get out of stupid customs free pass.

Debbie wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=otGQqO2TYMI

Keep an open mind. If you don't like what you hear, click the little x in the top right-hand corner.

WTF, the man doesn't blink. Gave me the heebee jeebee's. Alt+F4 = Win

jasonb31 wrote:Because we decent people are sick and tired off our country being ruined by crap like this.

YOS, I want a serious reply to how we can change a law and idea that was made by god in the first place? Come on, Not one person would even have the idea of marriage if it were not for the bible so how do you think that some judge has the power to change a law made by God himself. Say that you know for 100 percent sure that yes he is real. Don't you think he is going to be a little angry at that?

For some reason, I don't believe the Bible was the first text to reference marriage. I guess it might have something to do with that other monotheistic religion that preceded both Christianity and Islam...what was it called again? Oh yea, Judaism. I'd go as far as saying marriage, as a pact between two individuals to be loyal and faithful, raise a family, etc. and all that, existed prior to that, even.

I think they more or less the same, I see the previous two poster must belong in that category too.

YARDofSTUF wrote:I don't give a **** about marriage, but the US doesnt need to make laws based on the bible, because if you believe in teh bible, its already law, and if not, then its a get out of stupid customs free pass.

Ignore him, he can't even use the correct "your." He probably lives someplace in the Bible belt and was raised with his head being filled (with rubbish) by some loon. Organized religion is simply the best way to keep people ignorant and control them -- nothing more or less. I'm certainly one who believes in God, but I don't subscribe to the same ideals that many do, for a lot of reasons that aren't relevant to this discussion.

jasonb31 wrote:I think they more or less the same, I see the previous two poster must belong in that category too.

You can't give any solid argument besides "the Bible said so and it's the law"; do you not realize how simple you sound?

Amro wrote:For some reason, I don't believe the Bible was the first text to reference marriage. I guess it might have something to do with that other monotheistic religion that preceded both Christianity and Islam...what was it called again? Oh yea, Judaism. I'd go as far as saying marriage, as a pact between two individuals to be loyal and faithful, raise a family, etc. and all that, existed prior to that, even.

Wow your smart. The Torah and the Bible are base off the same individual books. The same exactly except the Bible has more books that were written later as they were discovered thousands of years ago. The Jews just decided not to update theirs.

jasonb31 wrote:I think you need to punish the person who made me reply like that don't you!!

That person would be you. You see, God gave you a brain but sadly you've been taught not to use it; it might help to learn how so you can form a complex sentence and actually argue a point instead of relying on insults.

Amro wrote:You can't give any solid argument besides "the Bible said so and it's the law"; do you not realize how simple you sound?

You don't get the point. Who made the law in the first place? God!!!!
If the U.S. Congress made the law 100 years ago it would be very different, But this is a slap in the face to god himself.

jasonb31 wrote:But this is a slap in the face to god himself.

exactly

jasonb31 wrote:Wow your smart. The Torah and the Bible are base off the same individual books. The same exactly except the Bible has more books that were written later as they were discovered thousands of years ago. The Jews just decided not to update theirs.

..you forgot the mention the part about men writing the new testament and the 50-some-odd versions/interpretations of it, but I guess that's not an important part of your argument. Regardless, the first references to marriage would have been in the Torah and not the Bible as the later didn't even exist by that name until much later, assuming your theory is correct to begin with, and it's not.

Amro wrote:..you forgot the mention the part about men writing the new testament and the 50-some-odd versions/interpretations of it, but I guess that's not an important part of your argument. Regardless, the first references to marriage would have been in the Torah and not the Bible as the later didn't even exist by that name until much later, assuming your theory is correct to begin with, and it's not.

the integrity of the bible is maintained through each translation, nothing in the bible is changed beyond what God intended for it to say, God and the holy spirit makes sure of this

jasonb31 wrote:You don't get the point. Who made the law in the first place? God!!!!
If the U.S. Congress made the law 100 years ago it would be very different, But this is a slap in the face to god himself.

No no, you're definitely the one who's missing the point: not everyone subscribes to your beliefs so your underlying arguments are flawed since they're not based in fact but in faith. This is the fundamental flaw made by every religious-turbo-nut out there. Again, it's the same old "well my book says it, so it's true." I, for example, believe that God gave humans the ability to reason and form complex thoughts, and thus laws were created by humans.

Brent wrote:the integrity of the bible is maintained through each translation, nothing in the bible is changed beyond what God intended for it to say, God and the holy spirit makes sure of this

That's absolutely untrue. Languages don't always have a one-to-one mapping of words and there is always meaning lost in translation of even the simplest phrases. Don't even try to say "well it's because God intended for it to be translated" -- you can see my previous post as to why that's invalid.

Amro wrote:No no, you're definitely the one who's missing the point: not everyone subscribes to your beliefs so your underlying arguments are flawed since they're not based in fact but in faith. This is the fundamental flaw made by every religious-turbo-nut out there. Again, it's the same old "well my book says it, so it's true." I, for example, believe that God gave humans the ability to reason and form complex thoughts, and thus laws were created by humans.

doesn't matter if you subscribe to the beliefs or not for them to be true

Amro wrote:That person would be you. You see, God gave you a brain but sadly you've been taught not to use it; it might help to learn how so you can form a complex sentence and actually argue a point instead of relying on insults.

OH but its fine when you do the same right? I was raised in the church and hated going until I was shown in a very real way that he exist 100 percent. I could explain it but I would be here for a very long time. I don't mind people not believing 100 percent in Jesus, Just don't insult him and everyone knows if they live a decent life or not. God will show everyone that he exist very soon and its then you will be shown where you stand with god. From there on out you will only have one chance to get it right.

Amro wrote:That's absolutely untrue.

so, if I get this straight, you do not believe God is sovereign and able to control, well, everything

Brent wrote:doesn't matter if you subscribe to the beliefs or not for them to be true

That's only logical if one is talking about facts, not beliefs. We're not talking about facts.

Amro wrote:That's only logical if one is talking about facts, not beliefs. We're not talking about facts.

to me, they are facts

jasonb31 wrote:OH but its fine when you do the same right? I was raised in the church and hated going until I was shown in a very real way that he exist 100 percent. I could explain it but I would be here for a very long time. I don't mind people not believing 100 percent in Jesus, Just don't insult him and everyone knows if they live a decent life or not. God will show everyone that he exist very soon and its then you will be shown where you stand with god. From there on out you will only have one chance to get it right.

I didn't insult Jesus or anyone else, you should reread my posts.

Brent wrote:so, if I get this straight, you do not believe God is sovereign and able to control, well, everything

My belief is that he can but chooses not to, hence why he gave us our own free will

Brent wrote:to me, they are facts

That's exactly my point. Your argument is irrational to others because you speak of things and say they are facts _to you_ but they're not things that can be proven so you should try a different approach (what that might be, I don't know). I can say and believe that 2+2=5 all I want but unless I can prove it, it's not a fact. You understand that I'm not knocking your religious position, just your supporting argument.

The bible is written word for word by God for a very good reason. All that is and will ever be is in the bible. You, Me and my dog. The bible says that only toward the very end will we know that the end is near. Why? The bible is encoded and is slowly being opened for all to see by computers.

Amro wrote:My belief is that he can but chooses not to, hence why he gave us our own free will

but certainly some things he must control, like maintaining the integrity of his texts, else things would really get warped, isn't it interesting the Bible has been the same for 2000 years, that right there shows divine intervention

i believe that God and the holy spirit maintain the integrity of the bible throughout translations, God does not let what needs to be said removed, changed, altered or additions made that are untrue, it is through this belief that the Bible said what it said then, and still means what it meant then, now

Amro wrote:I didn't insult Jesus or anyone else, you should reread my posts.

Not you, The people who think they can change the law.

jasonb31 wrote:God will show everyone that he exist very soon and its then you will be shown where you stand with god. From there on out you will only have one chance to get it right.

Hey, you stop with that talk now! I have to get my backslidden behind back to church before it's too late.

jasonb31 wrote:The bible is written word for word by God for a very good reason. All that is and will ever be is in the bible. You, Me and my dog. The bible says that only toward the very end will we know that the end is near. Why? The bible is encoded and is slowly being opened for all to see by computers.

Please see my prior post on forming a rational argument. It's fine if that's your belief and I support your right to that belief but I don't believe you have a right to force others into your belief. I think it's their choice.

jasonb31 wrote:The bible is encoded and is slowly being opened for all to see by computers.

i have to stand up and say i don't believe in that crap

Amro wrote:Please see my prior post on forming a rational argument. It's fine if that's your belief and I support your right to that belief but I don't believe you have a right to force others into your belief. I think it's their choice.

How can anyone force anyone, really, unless you hold them at gunpoint and shoot them if they don't. All we can do on this forum is have very heated debates, I can't force anyone to do anything, and same with you.

jasonb31 wrote:Because we decent people are sick and tired off our country being ruined by crap like this.

I know atheists who have more respect and acceptance for others than you do.

Don't throw stones unless your slate is clean.

Brent wrote:but certainly some things he must control, like maintaining the integrity of his texts, else things would really get warped, isn't it interesting the Bible has been the same for 2000 years, that right there shows divine intervention

i believe that God and the holy spirit maintain the integrity of the bible throughout translations, God does not let what needs to be said removed, changed, altered or additions made that are untrue, it is through this belief that the Bible said what it said then, and still means what it meant then, now

I don't believe so, if he controlled "his texts" then what would he have to judge people on? Again, irrational.

I'm glad you have your beliefs figured out -- that's a good thing.

Amro wrote:I don't believe so, if he controlled "his texts" then what would he have to judge people on? Again, irrational.

I'm glad you have your beliefs figured out -- that's a good thing.

Yes, good discussion, I got to go now though, family dinner tonight

Love ya Amro