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tr87526 wrote:I have to support Brent on this one.

Brent wrote:The idea of toleration is a very bad idea

Debbie wrote:Good point YOSC!!

His slate is far from clean.

frostybear wrote:Your sig says it best...

Joel wrote:With all due respect, that is a very offensive statement sir. Whether you disagree or not, to call everyone who believes in religion (what is it, 83% of Americans believe in some religion or another?) does not bode well for your standing as a knowledgeable and respectful member.

Roody wrote:Adding another point I do think there is a clear reason on why there is a need for the seperation of church and state. That said it's obvious that religion makes up the lives of alot of people and sometimes they can conflict. That said an elected official needs to enforce the will of the people and if he can't do so because his own views are in conflict with that then he needs to find a new line of business.

All that said let's try to keep this stuff in order guys. I have faith we can have a serious discussion without the insults. Stevebakh the reason why I singled you out in my previous post is your comment imo should have been more specific to Brent. When you take a general statement like that it's offensive to everyone who has religious faith and it's no more appropriate to be said then it would be for someone to say "those who don't believe in religion is an excuse for the stupid". It's just not necessary and it's something that can only add to a thread getting out of control.

Izzo wrote:Meh. I didn't find Steve's comment offensive. Actually, I found Brent's comments offensive for insisting a book I do not believe in is "the law" and for insinuating his beliefs are 'more right' than mine. I guess it all depends on what you believe and on which side of the fence you're on. I say Steve has the right to say what he feels just like Brent has.

brembo wrote:Oh come off it Brent. Murdering and molesting children is so far from allowing gay marriages. Gay marriages hurt no one, they create no danger to society.

Gixxer wrote:kinda like...... here it comes, you'll love it!!

losing football game

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losing life?

downhill wrote:brembo's already mentioned it and it needs repeating.

IMHO, the government shouldn't be in the marriage business and religion should never be in the business of pushing laws to force morality.

Let's quit calling marriages for things related to government, insurance, benefits etc. etc. and start calling them civil unions.

Problem solved. Unless of course you want a church wedding and you're LDS and gay and not caught up on your tithing. .

Think wrote:I'm sure Bob was not thinking about GAY marriage

David wrote:no religious institution should be forced to recognize the union

stevebakh wrote:To be frank, I couldn't care less how those people view me. Belief in such fairytales doesn't really speak volumes about their level of knowledge, logic or common-sense. The bible isn't the law, it's a joke. A complete work of a fiction. There's an explanation for everything, from the reasons women bear pain during childbirth, right through to different languages existing and how the population is spread across the world.

Brent wrote:Tolerance is a very evil tool used by the devil

The Devil wrote:Someone mention me?

Actually Brent, I happen to prefer intolerance, since it allows one to assume superiority without personal boasting.

The Devil wrote:Then again, there is a point where tolerance ceases to be a virtue.

The Devil wrote:[OPENS A COKE]

The Devil wrote:I'll just let mortal man argue over this one. Time for me to dangle some blow in front of Lindsay.

Amro wrote:I lol'd.

The Devil wrote: Time for me to dangle some blow in front of Lindsay.

David wrote:The Bible has in it, noted historic instances. Perhaps in its need to answer all questions and to awe inspiring, its authors have taken to flights of fancy.

Holy books have be used as the basis for law throughout history. Certainly, those who founded the US utilized many of the Bible's tennents as its foundation. This is not to say that the Book should not be viewed for answers to all legal questions, but its perspectives on society cannot be dismissed.

Think wrote:I'm sure Bob was not thinking about GAY marriage

RoundEye wrote:OK, this is the inner workings of a scrambled egg mind, if you disagree please feel free to say so.

I am not God, therefore I should not judge my fellow man. It is not my job to do so.

That being said, I believe in gay marriage. It is not my position to define love, or a persons desire to commit to another person for life on earth.

As long as they both sign their names in the family bible, they realize that they are making a promise of commitment to each other and God. If it really is a sin in God’s eyes, may God have mercy on their souls. There should be no other person on this planet they should have to answer to.

That brings me to asking the state for permission to get married by getting a marriage license. I didn’t want a license when I got married, but I did it to make my wife happy. Believe me in this, but I know a man who filed a lawsuit when the state tried to force him into getting a marriage license, and won. The state CAN NOT force you into a contract when it is your God given right to get married.

You have to understand what a license is. Black’s law dictionary defines license as this: … The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal….


How could getting married without a license be illegal when getting married is a God given right? When you get a marriage license you are entering into a contract with the state for the fruits of you labor. The fruits of your labor are your children and every penny you have and everything you have ever bought.

Why do you think that you sign your driver’s license and marriage license? It’s not for signature verification as they lead you to believe. It is because you entered into a contract with the state to follow their rules. The lady behind the counter at the DMV is a witness to your signature, and that’s why we have best men and maids of honor, they are all witnesses into you entering a legal contract with the state. They can revoke your drivers license if you screw up. And by signing that marriage license, you entered into a contract with the state. They can tell you what school your kids have to attend, or even take your children by law if they think you are a bad parent. You signed the contract, remember?

Why do you think you have to stand before a judge during a divorce? He has the final say so in which parent the child goes to, who gets what money and property in settlement. Why does he have this authority? Because you signed a state contract dumb ass !!!

You gave the state permission to have authority over your marriage, your children and any penny you and your wife ever earned.
So yes, separate church and state, and let God hand out the final judgments. It is not out place as mankind to do Gods work for him pertaining to law.

RoundEye wrote:I’m going to quote myself from apast threadsince it pertains to this matter somewhat. While I do believe in God, I’m not one of those “my way is right, your way is wrong, and you will burn in hell” type of people. I think tolerance and acceptance of your fellow man (even if you disagree with him) would make this world a much nicer place to live in.

De Plano wrote:I know this is something that eats at you Paft, but you could have said that with a little less venom

Paft wrote:Absolutely I could have. But civil discourse isn't going to get anywhere, so why not just vent frustrations at this point?

De Plano wrote:I know this is something that eats at you Paft, but you could have said that with a little less venom

YARDofSTUF wrote:With Think's sig I wouldn't expect any less venom from Paft.

De Plano wrote:Do unto others, lead by example, turn the other cheek and all that other stuff

YARDofSTUF wrote:No it isnt. You chose to obey the bible, theres no law saying we must.

jasonb31 wrote:Well if you want to burn in hell, Be my guest says the devil. As we inch closer to that time of judgment it is things like this that will bring horrific punishment on our country as a whole rather than just bad individuals so thanks.

jasonb31 wrote:Well if you want to burn in hell, Be my guest says the devil. As we inch closer to that time of judgment it is things like this that will bring horrific punishment on our country as a whole rather than just bad individuals so thanks.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Wow, you're a religous tinfoil hat nutcase? Thats just awesomely... not awesome.

I say **** just happens, and then people like you make up 6 million reasons why it did.

Debbie wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=otGQqO2TYMI

Keep an open mind. If you don't like what you hear, click the little x in the top right-hand corner.