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Yeah, I was just thinking that the person that bid on that XBOX must be in a nursing home

All kidding aside, it's wrong on many levels but I don't think it's ebay's responsibility to ensure that stupid people be protected from themselves.

That's kinda what's wrong with America these days.. It started a long time ago with McDonalds and the "Warning: Coffee is HOT" labels. The preparation H "For external Use Only", etc..

It goes against nature's rule of survival of the fittest.. You don't see Lions sharing food with their weakest sibling just because he's too stupid to hunt on his own..
In turn, stupid lion either learns to live on his own, or dies, thus cleaning out the gene pool a little and ensuring that Lions hunt on their own from now until extinction by ignorant humans..

If this person wants to poor hot coffee on their groin, or eat perparation H or bid a hundred dollars on a box, that's on them. Not me or ebay..

"Go ahead kid, stick the fork in the wall socket"... Sometimes you have to learn the hard way.. If it costs someone 600.00 to understand that being able to read is important, than it's money well spent..

I know, that's a silly analogy but hey "to the buyer beware" has probably been around as long as prostitution and scams.. It's actually great advice for both, I would imagine..

Funk,

Poor analogy, my friend. A dearth of common sense and a litigious society has our legal standards knotted in minutia. With all due respect, anyone here could fall for a confidence scheme. If you do not think so, how many times have you read an ad circular in entirety before driving to the store to purchase said product. Has anyone here not thoroughly read a voluminous contract before signing (having a lawyer do it for you)? The difference with Ebay is that you typically cannot be in the physical presence of the product you are purchasing. If this were a physical auction, you could see that this was a scam. The laws regarding ethical commerce have a long history. Punishments were similar to that of theft. The internet has not only a haven for smack talking dweebs to spout off fearless of reprisals, but permits all other unethical behavior to continue with impunity.

And for those of you telling pie to mind his own business.

Ebay encourages users to report items that don't follow their guidelines. There is no possible way ebay can look at all the listings. People view ebay as one unit, all the sellers reputations can and are hurt by the pimple farming kleenex jockeys that think it's cool to scam $50 off of each others grandmas beany baby collecting habit. So it is to a sellers benefit to weed out all the scumbags. Back in 98 when selling on ebay, this crap wasn't much of a problem. Now that the general population is trading there, it is more of a problem.

Zilog B wrote:And for those of you telling pie to mind his own business.

Ebay encourages users to report items that don't follow their guidelines. There is no possible way ebay can look at all the listings. People view ebay as one unit, all the sellers reputations can and are hurt by the pimple farming kleenex jockeys that think it's cool to scam $50 off of each others grandmas beany baby collecting habit. So it is to a sellers benefit to weed out all the scumbags. Back in 98 when selling on ebay, this crap wasn't much of a problem. Now that the general population is trading there, it is more of a problem.

Thanks Zilog. I'm glad for threads like this because it gives me a great outlook on the type of people that are out there. I know whats right and what is wrong and thats what counts, and so do the other good people here. Their opinions don't count to me.

Pie

thepieman wrote:I know whats right and what is wrong and thats what counts, and so do the other good people here. Their opinions don't count to me.

ditto

with the exception that peoples opinions do matter to me, I listen to them and reflect on them believe it or not

thepieman wrote:Their opinions don't count to me.

Thats a bit harsh, why read and debate it if they dont count?

I think you prey, david, zilog and the others against this are wrong, in my eyes, but your opinions count and can affect mine.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Thats a bit harsh, why read and debate it if they dont count?

I think you prey, david, zilog and the others against this are wrong, in my eyes, but your opinions count and can affect mine.

Alan,

Harsh, but in keeping with the elevating attitude in the discussion.

Personally, I find the number of people with tacit approval of Social Darwinism rather alarming.

Hell_Yes wrote:Alan,

Harsh, but in keeping with the elevating attitude in the discussion.

Personally, I find the number of people with tacit approval of Social Darwinism rather alarming.

Yeah but we need to lower the attitude some, that way we can get crazy again!

"tacit approval of Social Darwinism rather alarming" I assume that means the people that think its "everyone for themselves" then?

Damn these big words!

i have a friend who use to work for ebay...you won't believe the auctions that are in violation. they always keep every single one just for the record once they take it off, and the things he told me people try to do it amazing. But you are right they cannot keep track of all of them, it totally impossible so they rely on others to help out when they see something not right.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Thats a bit harsh, why read and debate it if they dont count?

I think you prey, david, zilog and the others against this are wrong, in my eyes, but your opinions count and can affect mine.

YOS if its right, get ahold of a Xbox box , go to ebay, setup an account, set it up like the other guys did, put a Buy it now option for 599.00 , put the technicals specs all up on the page, then put on the very bottom that its only a empty box and make some extra christmas cash. Even tho you say its not wrong...You would never do it because you know deep down inside its a scummy maneuver. I know you say Im wrong but you would never be able to bring yourself to do it.

thepieman wrote:YOS if its right, get ahold of a Xbox box , go to ebay, setup an account, set it up like the other guys did, put a Buy it now option for 599.00 , put the technicals specs all up on the page, then put on the very bottom that its only a empty box and make some extra christmas cash. Even tho you say its not wrong...You would never do it because you know deep down inside its a scummy maneuver. I know you say Im wrong but you would never be able to bring yourself to do it.

I wont do it cuz I refuse to use Ebay.

Also If I were to do it, I would not list the system specs. I would add that it could be a great collectible someday though

With all due respect, that auction is bullsh*t and the person selling should have all accounts deactivated. I'm no fan of idiots too stupid to look out for themselves with common sense but with someone just waiting for some moron to come along and offer their money for what they think is one thing but is deceptively something else is plain wrong. **** them and **** you guys standing up for them.

Humboldt wrote:With all due respect, that auction is bullsh*t and the person selling should have all accounts deactivated. I'm no fan of idiots too stupid to look out for themselves with common sense but with someone just waiting for some moron to come along and offer their money for what they think is one thing but is deceptively something else is plain wrong. **** them and **** you guys standing up for them.

All accounts deactivated? Considering the mass amounts of positive rep one guy had thats a bit over the top lol

YARDofSTUF wrote:All accounts deactivated? Considering the mass amounts of positive rep one guy had thats a bit over the top lol

So someone who's gone from being a good seller to a piece of sh*t is ok to let keep going with their scams?

Humboldt wrote:So someone who's gone from being a good seller to a piece of sh*t is ok to let keep going with their scams?

Well if its a first offense how about a warning or something.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Well if its a first offense how about a warning or something.

In my world...no.

A big ass real life smack upside the head, a kick in the ass, and a permanent IP and email address ban, sure.

YARDofSTUF wrote:I wont do it cuz I refuse to use Ebay.

Also If I were to do it, I would not list the system specs. I would add that it could be a great collectible someday though

well you would only get a few bucks in that case. Since its not a limited edition version that Box will have no value whatsoever, unless maybe you held onto the complete machine and never opened the box or its contents. An empty box is not gonna be worth anything dude especially one that has about 2 million others of the same kind. If it was a limited edition run of maybe 200 or so, its a different story.

YARDofSTUF wrote:I wont do it cuz I refuse to use Ebay.

Also If I were to do it, I would not list the system specs. I would add that it could be a great collectible someday though

Actually, the auction Joe listed is not even a real XBOX360 box.

Hell_Yes wrote:Actually, the auction Joe listed is not even a real XBOX360 box.

Yet he's calling the person who bid dumb.

Hell_Yes wrote:Actually, the auction Joe listed is not even a real XBOX360 box.

Oh is that the guy that made his own box? There was also another one who cleverly hid that his was just a PICTURE of an Xbox box.


Pie

Humboldt wrote:Yet he's calling the person who bid dumb.

The original link was a DIY XBOX 360 box, probably the oens for store display. Other auctiosn were hand made and some were regular boxes.

thepieman wrote:well you would only get a few bucks in that case. Since its not a limited edition version that Box will have no value whatsoever, unless maybe you held onto the complete machine and never opened the box or its contents. An empty box is not gonna be worth anything dude especially one that has about 2 million others of the same kind. If it was a limited edition run of maybe 200 or so, its a different story.

Never know, depends on how well people read

YARDofSTUF wrote:Never know, depends on how well people read

YOS if you clearly mark the auction that its just an empty BOX, list it under maybe Console accessories and put in the description its of your opinion it will be a valuable collectors item (Someone could raise a flag with that on ebay) you won't get a high bid.

thepieman wrote:YOS if you clearly mark the auction that its just an empty BOX, list it under maybe Console accessories and put in the description its of your opinion it will be a valuable collectors item (Someone could raise a flag with that on ebay) you won't get a high bid.

Not 900 bucks but i'm sure enough to make it worth my time. Did you ever see the discovery channel show where they showed a bunch of people that were addicted to collecting junk? Most of them bought anythign they could on ebay and tag sales and at least half of the stuff had no value.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Not 900 bucks but i'm sure enough to make it worth my time. Did you ever see the discovery channel show where they showed a bunch of people that were addicted to collecting junk? Most of them bought anythign they could on ebay and tag sales and at least half of the stuff had no value.

you should see my mom's house..she has severe OCD...and has so much stuff in the house...you can barely walk around no joke..no one goes there anymore

I'm going to create a cardboard box for the Playstation 3 and sell it on eBay.

Brent wrote:I'm going to create a cardboard box for the Playstation 3 and sell it on eBay.

If you hook it up nice enough that someone who is unable to get one for Christmas for their kids and wants to give the box as a placeholder/promissory certificate type deal you will probably get a nice amount for your trouble.

John wrote:Interesting interview on 20/20 tonight with one of the founders of Ebay re: the principle he based the company on- his belief that humans are essentially good. Without honesty, the concept of 'ebay' would never work, and so far it has.

Of course, there will always be the few that take advantage of the situation.

And so far it has? HA! They're almost as bad as paypal with suspending and reviewing accounts, and they own paypal now, so they have that could of evil too.

See too much of sellers getting bad rep for no reason and and having someone claim fraus so the ebay and paypal accounts get froze and buyer ends up getting the item and money. Plus false bids.

I orginally liked ebay and used it, then I said woa, this is bad, now i'll only buy from ebay, then gave it up as the chaos went crazy.

YARDofSTUF wrote:And so far it has? HA! They're almost as bad as paypal with suspending and reviewing accounts, and they own paypal now, so they have that could of evil too.

See too much of sellers getting bad rep for no reason and and having someone claim fraus so the ebay and paypal accounts get froze and buyer ends up getting the item and money. Plus false bids.

I orginally liked ebay and used it, then I said woa, this is bad, now i'll only buy from ebay, then gave it up as the chaos went crazy.

They just don't suspend accounts for no reason. There is always a reason. If someone is selling Sports cards and they aren't graded they will suspend them, if someone is normally selling clothes and all of a sudden starts selling 100 pieces of High $ value Electronics they will suspend them and request that the seller provide a legitimit Purchase order and Delivery notice. I see nothing wrong with that. They are protecting the buyers from someone building up their feedback to make a Killing on something else and getting a Payday just to take off with a couple of hundred thousand. If someone is legit when they become suspended they can unsuspend themselves easily, and people who purchase things are still able to get refunds from legit seller even when they are suspended.

thepieman wrote:They just don't suspend accounts for no reason. There is always a reason. If someone is selling Sports cards and they aren't graded they will suspend them, if someone is normally selling clothes and all of a sudden starts selling 100 pieces of High $ value Electronics they will suspend them and request that the seller provide a legitimit Purchase order and Delivery notice. I see nothing wrong with that. They are protecting the buyers from someone building up their feedback to make a Killing on something else and getting a Payday just to take off with a couple of hundred thousand. If someone is legit when they become suspended they can unsuspend themselves easily, and people who purchase things are still able to get refunds from legit seller even when they are suspended.

Ya thats undertandable but paypals interaction is where thigns get tricky, thats when I said, bye bye.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Ya thats undertandable but paypals interaction is where thigns get tricky, thats when I said, bye bye.

I was suspended once a long time ago. I remedied it by changing my account from an unverified personal to a verified business account and no problemo. If you are on the up and up with no misrepresentation or fraud, you have nothing to worry about as a seller.

YARDofSTUF wrote:Ya thats undertandable but paypals interaction is where thigns get tricky, thats when I said, bye bye.

I do agree with Yard on this. Paypal can and has suspended accounts for no reason at all, it's very well documented.

Prey521 wrote:I do agree with Yard on this. Paypal can and has suspended accounts for no reason at all, it's very well documented.

Ok I will say I have heard of the ones that were improperly flagged but you won't hear complaints from the ones that are being misused either Prey so its kinda unfair to say that its like that all the time. A con artist is not gonna complain about his account being suspended, you won't hear about that side of the fence. Take that guy for example who set up that donation for katrina fund on his website. It was wrong, but at that time there were hundreds of phoney ones being set up and this guy matched the flag. He could have easily just set up a link to go directly to the red cross couldn't he? he was bitching about Paypal being pricks and so on but how could they prove for a fact that he was going to take the money that went into his PERSONAL account and distribute it properly? It was the donators that reported him to paypal when they thought about it afterwards.


Pie

thepieman wrote:I was suspended once a long time ago. I remedied it by changing my account from an unverified personal to a verified business account and no problemo. If you are on the up and up with no misrepresentation or fraud, you have nothing to worry about as a seller.

I see lots to worry about. On [H] the other day there was a post about a guy getting ripped off cuz the buyer claimed fraud, his accounts were suspened and he had to pay the money back, and the buyer walked away with the item and his money. How is that fair?

YARDofSTUF wrote:I see lots to worry about. On [H] the other day there was a post about a guy getting ripped off cuz the buyer claimed fraud, his accounts were suspened and he had to pay the money back, and the buyer walked away with the item and his money. How is that fair?

that happened to me and I lost about $250 one time..i neve use paypal to sell anymore...too risky

YARDofSTUF wrote:I see lots to worry about. On [H] the other day there was a post about a guy getting ripped off cuz the buyer claimed fraud, his accounts were suspened and he had to pay the money back, and the buyer walked away with the item and his money. How is that fair?

I find that hard to believe man. The buyer won't get his money back without returning the item with proof of shipment as well as a signed reciept. I don't buy that. If the seller refunded him the $ before recieving the item back that was his mistake. If you read the rules regarding refunds its right there what the buyer is required to do and what the seller must do.Im not doubting you YOS but the guy might not be telling 100% of the story just to turn negative thoughts towards paypal.


Pie

Augustus wrote:that happened to me and I lost about $250 one time..i neve use paypal to sell anymore...too risky

GH what was your circumstances?

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=985052

I was off on my facts some too!

YARDofSTUF wrote:http://www.paypalsucks.com/

I was never one to use Ebay for making a living, but when I have sold the few things I did there, I always made sure to not accept people with 0 feedbacks, and not ship to a non-verified address. Some of those people use Ebay as a vehicle to make a living off of and after making thousands of $ off of junk they get pissed cuz they got burnt once. I dunno Yos I never had a problem and I have sold some expensive electronics there. Its all because of all these scammer that you said shouldn't be held in the wrong..I can tell you that much. If it wasn't for people like that, added to the Phishing scams, and the Adware scams (I know you say it has nothing to do with Adware but it does!!) it wouldn't be so screwed up.


Pie