I believe you attract what you fear

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:23 pm

My boss is annoyed with me because I did not want to read this email she got from Washington regarding the swine flu. I am a firm believer if you believe you are going to get sick with it you will. I don't even believe in a "season" for a disease. I feel that is so dam ridiculous!!!!!

If you believe it, you will become victim to it. Maybe I'm just being stubborn. I just cannot help the way I feel about this.

Fellow Americans,

This spring we were confronted with an outbreak of a troubling flu virus called 2009-H1N1. As the fall flu season approaches, it is critical that we reinvigorate our preparedness efforts across the country in order to mitigate the effects of this virus on our communities.

Today, we are holding an H1N1 Influenza Preparedness Summit in conjunction with the White House to discuss our Nation's preparedness. We are working together to monitor the spread of 2009-H1N1 and to prepare to initiate a voluntary fall vaccination program against the 2009-H1N1 flu virus, assuming we have a safe vaccine and do not see changes in the virus that would render the vaccine ineffective.

But the most critical steps to mitigating the effects of 2009-H1N1 won't take place in Washington — they will take place in your homes, schools and community businesses.

Taking precautions for this fall's flu season is a responsibility we all share. Visit Flu.gov to make sure you are ready and learn how you can help promote public awareness.

We are making every effort to have a safe and effective vaccine available for distribution as soon as possible, but our current estimate is that it won't be ready before mid-October. This makes individual prevention even more critical. Wash your hands regularly. Take the necessary precautions to stay healthy and if you do get sick, stay home from work or school.

We are doing everything possible to prepare for the fall flu season and encourage all Americans to do the same — this is a shared responsibility and now is the time to prepare. Please visit Flu.gov to learn what steps you can take to prepare and do your part to mitigate the effects of H1N1.

This email came from John O. Brennan at the White House

Roody · Post by **Roody** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:53 pm

Death is imminent

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:54 pm

Roody wrote:Death is imminent

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:28 pm

To disagree is an ability.
However, always look and observe what's there prior to disagreeing.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:54 pm

Debbie wrote:... I am a firm believer if you believe you are going to get sick with it you will...

So is the opposite true? If I’m a firm believer that I won’t catch it, will I stay healthy?

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:03 pm

I think the seasons can make sense. If some diseases live/grow/move around better in certain conditions then it would fit that people get sick more during those times.

Humboldt · Post by **Humboldt** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:11 pm

Debbie Debbie Debbie...damn

You were spelling it right for months, what happened?

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:32 pm

A co-worker is currently in a coma with the virus. His workcenter has been put off limits.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:21 pm

JawZ wrote:A co-worker is currently in a coma with the virus. His workcenter has been put off limits.

That sounds really rough. Any clue how he contracted it? Just randomly, another coworker went to Mexico, from an international fight? I’m curious if they have any clue how it was contacted in his case.

stevebakh · Post by **stevebakh** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:50 am

Debbie, there's a good reason that there's reference made to a "season". I thought this was common knowledge. Guess not...

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season

Flu season is a regularly re-occurring time period characterized by the prevalence of outbreaks of influenza. The season occurs during the cold half of the year in each hemisphere. Influenza activity can sometimes be predicted and even tracked geographically. While the beginning of major flu activity in each season varies by location, in any specific location these minor epidemics usually take about 3 weeks to peak and another 3 weeks to significantly diminish. Individual cases of the flu however, usually only last a few days.

Also note (on the same page): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season ... _influenza

It is ignorant and (as you rightly pointed out) stubborn to think that believing in a seasonal outbreak is likely to make you fall victim to it. Knowing the facts helps people to be better prepared, ensure there are anti-viral stocks for the population and generally, the knowledge alone is a good thing - why would you want to be willfully ignorant of the facts?

Anyway, in summary, it's not as ridiculous as you claim.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:24 am

stevebakh wrote:Debbie, there's a good reason that there's reference made to a "season". I thought this was common knowledge. Guess not...

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season

Also note (on the same page): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season ... _influenza

It is ignorant and (as you rightly pointed out) stubborn to think that believing in a seasonal outbreak is likely to make you fall victim to it. Knowing the facts helps people to be better prepared, ensure there are anti-viral stocks for the population and generally, the knowledge alone is a good thing - why would you want to be willfully ignorant of the facts?

Anyway, in summary, it's not as ridiculous as you claim.

I understand what you posted Steve, but I hear people all the time talking about "flu season." As soon as somone gets the damn sniffles during that "season," right away they say "I might be getting the flu" and I find it so annoying. Those are the people who end up getting sick. When you mentally project an outcome, it WILL happen. That is what I am talking about.

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:33 am

Debbie wrote:I understand what you posted Steve, but I hear people all the time talking about "flu season." As soon as somone gets the damn sniffles during that "season," right away they say "I might be getting the flu" and I find it so annoying. Those are the people who end up getting sick. When you mentally project an outcome, it WILL happen. That is what I am talking about.

Its winning lotto season, I can feel it!

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:39 am

YARDofSTUF wrote:Its winning lotto season, I can feel it!

YARDofSTUF · Post by **YARDofSTUF** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:47 am

Debbie wrote:

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:52 pm

Debbie wrote:

That is what you said, Debbie.

"When you mentally project an outcome, it WILL happen. That is what I am talking about. " - Debbie

This is not true & we all know that. I agree that there may be some psychological factors, but the simple will of does not produce the actuality of.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:18 pm

So when **** happens in your life, are you the type of person that looks to place blame outside of yourself instead of taking full responsibility for how you think and what you project?

We can go on an on with this subject. I am a firm believer that we are and experience what we project. The more focus on the negative, the more negative our experience will be.

So, you can disagree all you want. It is what it is.

The end.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:22 pm

Debbie wrote:So when **** happens in your life, are you the type of person that looks to place blame outside of yourself instead of taking full responsibility for how you think and what you project?

We can go on an on with this subject. I am a firm believer that we are and experience what we project. The more focus on the negative, the more negative our experience will be.

So, you can disagree all you want. It is what it is.

The end.

You need to re-read my post, Debbie.

RoundEye · Post by **RoundEye** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:01 pm

It’s hard to argue a point with a woman who has her mind so firmly made up, but I’m curious about the answer to this.

In my opinion I’ve been a pretty open minded person and not one to worry much about what could happen, “if and when”. So how would one explain my contactingMS? I knew it was a nasty disease but never have given it a second thought.

On top of that (and I have written about this before) I've had some major trauma, I’ve had five major orthopedic surgeries, 18 pieces of surgical metal put into me and 10 taken out. Let’s not forget about the bone graft in my neck either.

So how does one explain all the negative things that have happened to me? I’m not that negative of a person. Sure lately I have been going through some emotional turmoil but I think that can be explained away because of the MS.

Please tell me, what I am doing wrong? I don’t think I’m near that negative of a person. I’m not criminal either, I haven’t murdered, mugged old ladies or molested young children. So what have I done to deserve all this negativity in my life? I don’t think about it happening to me, like I mentioned, I’m not a criminal either, so what happened?

All things considered, I think I’m a fairly positive person. There are many people who would be swinging by their necks if they had been through a fraction of what I have endured.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:54 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:That is what you said, Debbie.

"When you mentally project an outcome, it WILL happen. That is what I am talking about. " - Debbie

This is not true & we all know that. I agree that there may be some psychological factors, but the simple will of does not produce the actuality of.

Jeremy, there is some merit to what she is postulating. How can you explain the placebo effect?

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:16 am

JawZ wrote:Jeremy, there is some merit to what she is postulating. How can you explain the placebo effect?

You also need to re-read my post.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:38 am

Trying to clear this up.

Debbie said, "When you mentally project an outcome, it WILL happen."

This is spoken as an absolute. Simply because you think about something, that does not mean it will happen. I don't care how negative or positive you are being.

And, UOD, in my post I said, "I agree that there may be some psychological factors" But it is definitely not: "it WILL happen".

blebs · Post by **blebs** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:26 pm

I'm attracted to you, but I'm not feared.

Rivas · Post by **Rivas** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:46 am

Roody wrote:Death is imminent

permanent ...

Post by **Philip** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:28 am

Rivas wrote:permanent ...

And it dfinitely WILL happen

tr87526 · Post by **tr87526** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:27 pm

If you believe that, the read or watch "the Secret"

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:07 am

This is what I believe and no one can alter that belief in me. I am just sharing it.

http://www.goddirect.org/mindemtn/writi ... nifest.htm

Manifestation

How does any thought, feeling, word, or action come into Form? How does any experience or object (such as buildings, trees, animals, our physical bodies, or the Universe) come into Form? Where does Form come from?

Before Form there is Formlessness. Formlessness is a field of Consciousness, where all manifestation originates. Every possible outcome, conceived of in our thoughts, is already accomplished. Otherwise we could not have this thought. That which we wish to manifest already exists in the Formless. It is a "done deal." All we do is bring our Consciousness to it to create Form. At the level of Formlessness, a state of "readiness" exists whereby everything in our life can come into our reality as we know it. We pick and choose from the endless possibilities in our Consciousness. As we bring our Consciousness to that which we wish to create, this seed becomes charged with the energy of Awareness. Our desire, intention, and focus concentrate this energy. It starts becoming "real" to us. Our Consciousness crystallizes this exact thought. It is energized with awareness and brought forth from the Formless into Form.

The beauty of being in a physical body is that we can have thoughts and desires and manifest them into our reality. We experience the sheer joy of knowing ourselves as God, which we are. It is this creativity that sparks our Life Force.

Manifestation becomes effortless when we truly understand how creativity works. Creativity is simply a matter of "seeing" the result that we wish to manifest. Everything that we see around us was first conceived of as a thought in the mind of God, which is our mind. We, as God, have created our world. This world reflects our Collective Consciousness. What we see in the world is what we have created together, as well as individually. We maintain everything in Form with our intention. This moment, the Now, is a blank screen on which we have projected our Consciousness as matter, in Form, in physicality.

From the perspective of Soul, manifestation births the Formless into Form through our intentions, desires, and actions. Our creativity is the bridge between the Formless and the Form. Creativity is the manifestation of Formless into Form. The Divine or God, which we are, has imbued us with the ability to create whatever we can conceive of in thought. Our thoughts, beliefs, feelings, and actions are the Conscious vehicles by which we stoke the fires of our creativity. We are ultimately responsible for our experiences at any given moment.

Ego, however, has it's own agenda. It wants to be in charge of the whole show. When we manifest from ego inspiration, what we bring forth comes with baggage, consequences, and attachments. This baggage is also part of the Big Picture and is also in Divine Order. Baggage teaches us about living life from the ego and the negative repercussions that flow from that choice. What we choose to manifest is completely up to us. No one else is responsible for what happens in our creative manifestations.

Manifestation is truly an "Immaculate Conception". From the standpoint of Soul, manifestation is effortless. These manifestations flow with the greatest ease when they are in alignment with God, which we are. Our Soul "knows" what we came here to do and experience. We can choose to live from our Souls and experience life from that perspective. Or we can choose to live our life from the ego perspective. Remember there is no judgement in how we choose to live. The choice of ego is a narrow limited band of awareness, or Form. The choice of Soul is the unlimited band of awareness, or Formlessness.

This universe is a huge playground of matter (Form) manifesting for a time and then ultimately returning back to Formlessness. In the Formless there is no judgement about what we bring forth. There is No outside force judging our creations. There is only God, which we are. The ONE. The same ONE who created what we created. There is no separation, no distinction between us and God.

I trust this process of Conscious manifestation. I hold this Truth in my life everyday. I manifest whatever I need by trusting that it already exists. I have manifested jobs, cars, relationships, money, and experiences of joy, bliss, and happiness. I move out of doubt, fear, and failure by bringing my Consciousness to that which I wish to manifest. I am willing to release instruments of sabotage (negative thoughts, feelings, or actions) in order to manifest clearly. It is just as easy to manifest wonderful things as it is to manifest the undesirable. I choose to create that which gives me delight, rather than that which causes me pain. When we have conflicting or scattered thoughts, we manifest jumbled, chaotic energy. When our intentions are clearly focused, manifestations come through unclouded and effortlessly.

As human beings, we practice the familiar pattern of efforting in our daily lives to get desired results. We believe efforting to be a truth of our reality. Manifestation is effortless, as is our bridge of Conscious creativity. Paradoxically, some work is required. We must have one hundred percent intention around what it is we want to create. We surrender to the guidance of our Soul in all Conscious creative manifestation.

Manifestation is an ongoing gift of life. We are the experts when we are in alignment with our Souls. If you want to know where you stand in your Consciousness, just look around you. You, I, we, have manifested this reality. There is only One of us here. Enjoy what you create. If you aren't joyfilled, then manifest something else. It is easy!

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:18 am

Roundeye, check your pms.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:59 am

Debbie wrote:So when **** happens in your life, are you the type of person that looks to place blame outside of yourself instead of taking full responsibility for how you think and what you project?

We can go on an on with this subject. I am a firm believer that we are and experience what we project. The more focus on the negative, the more negative our experience will be.

So, you can disagree all you want. It is what it is.

The end.

As an example, Debbie is considering the purchase of a new car, a BMW 1-series. Oddly enough, more of these vehicles seem to on the road now that she has an interest.

No doubt, one's focus is a determinant to personal experiences.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:32 pm

David wrote:As an example, Debbie is considering the purchase of a new car, a BMW 1-series. Oddly enough, more of these vehicles seem to on the road now that she has an interest.

No doubt, one's focus is a determinant to personal experiences.

"No doubt, one's focus is a determinant to personal experiences."

A determinant, perhaps. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say "no doubt"; it could be that "one's focus" is not really one's focus at all.

Debbie · Post by **Debbie** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:39 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:"No doubt, one's focus is a determinant to personal experiences."

A determinant, perhaps. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say "no doubt"; it could be that "one's focus" is not really one's focus at all.

Explain please.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:59 pm

Debbie wrote:Explain please.

Sorry, Debbie, I don't have the time, atm. Getting ready for work.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:03 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:"No doubt, one's focus is a determinant to personal experiences."

A determinant, perhaps. But, I wouldn't go so far as to say "no doubt"; it could be that "one's focus" is not really one's focus at all.

It is indeed a determinant, though not the only one. A person's field of vision often narrows to immediate interests and concerns.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:47 pm

jeremyboycool wrote:That is what you said, Debbie.

"When you mentally project an outcome, it WILL happen. That is what I am talking about. " - Debbie

This is not true & we all know that. I agree that there may be some psychological factors, but the simple will of does not produce the actuality of.

Actually, it does! The will, or the decision ALWAYS precedes the outcome. The trouble is that most people are unaware of their own decisions.

Pick up your right hand off the desk without consciously making the decision to do so.

The same holds true for all psychosomatic illnesses, approx 70% of all documented illnesses are psychosomatic in origin.

And to become ill with a virus or some other type of infection such as the flu, one must always be predisposed to becoming ill. A well rested, well fed, non-stressed person will never get ill.

At any given time there are millions of infectious bacteria and viruses in your body and in the environment around one. When one is in good condition the immune system handles these enemies. (provided the immune system is not damaged, can develop the necessary antibodies or the foreign enemy is not brand new to this world)

But we sometimes make stupid decisions such as having that 3rd or 4th or 20th drink that one knows will inhibit ones functionality the following day. Or one decides to remain awake and watch a movie instead of going to sleep and getting the needed rest. Such actions throw the body into a state where the immune system does not function optimumly and one becomes predisposed to illness.

Or one has a fight with the spouse and it does not get resolved immediately. Such fights don't just happen by themselves, they are created by the people who are fighting and arguing, their decisions to say and do things that cause stress in each other. A stressed individual is more prone to illness.

One can even make onself ill by the decision alone. Ever see a kid who wanted to get out of going to schollo by feigning illness? Tells mommy his tummy hurts. And mommy buys it. And the kid gets so good at it his tummy really does hurt!

De Plano · Post by **De Plano** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:11 pm

The person I know who most believed that you attract what you want and need in your life lectured me for an hour about it one day. Withing five years he had shot his boyfriend in the stomach "cleaning his gun", lit the property he rented on fire (burned 30ish acres), ran his car into his boyfriend driving his other car up the road trying to get help for the fire, and I think contracted HIV.

Not really a firm believer in that theory. Not saying there is nothing to it, just not as much as some people believe

On a side note here is something about affirmations. Not really related but some might think it so

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:01 pm

Debbie wrote:Explain please.

David's post was very well worded. But he said "one's focus" which is possessive. It's an assumption that the "focus" belongs to the person in question. The idea that the person has ownership is an assumption.

And even though I tend to agree with the idea; I am not even sure we can say, with certainty, it is a determinant. It could be that our will, desire, wants, whims amount to nothing. That everything happens objectively and that the subjective shadows are mere byproducts of that happening.

TonyT · Post by **TonyT** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:12 pm

And even though I tend to agree with the idea, truthfully, I am not even sure we can say it is a determinant. It could be that our will, desire, wants, whims have no bearing at all.

Our wants, will, desires, whims, postulates, etc, DO have everything to do with it.

The idea that man's will, desires, intentions, etc. are minimal came from those that were unwilling to assume responsibility for their creations. The very first time someone made a decision that harmed another he quickly justified the act by stating "it wasn't me that did it". And the idea caught on and was adapted by others. And today we have a society that seeks to assign blame rather than ownership.

One's ideas, one's intentions and decisions, the mind, is senior to the mechanics of the material. We just forgot how to use them effectively!

David · Post by **David** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:35 pm

jeremyboycool wrote: But he said "one's focus" which is possessive. It's an assumption that the "focus" belongs to the person in question. The idea that the person has ownership is an assumption.

And even though I tend to agree with the idea; I am not even sure we can say, with certainty, it is a determinant. It could be that our will, desire, wants, whims amount to nothing. That everything happens objectively and that the subjective shadows are mere byproducts of that happening.

fine points....

Understanding that any particular focus can be proffered, overt or subtle. However, if taken, it does become a possession.

While\, our gray scale environment modifies in any moment which a decision is made, simple yes/no true/false fight or flight, selections can be made in a mindful, coordinated manner to fit a desired path.

If you wish to be happy, it is a choice. Focus on what you have, not what you want. Like a diet, it requires discipline.

Bleary eyed and desultorily yours,
david

David · Post by **David** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:42 pm

TonyT wrote: The idea that man's will, desires, intentions, etc. are minimal came from those that were unwilling to assume responsibility for their creations. The very first time someone made a decision that harmed another he quickly justified the act by stating "it wasn't me that did it". And the idea caught on and was adapted by others. And today we have a society that seeks to assign blame rather than ownership.

One's ideas, one's intentions and decisions, the mind, is senior to the mechanics of the material. We just forgot how to use them effectively!

Not blame, but the Will to Sloth, the path of least resistance.

As our tools increase in sophistication, we soften.

JawZ · Post by **JawZ** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:27 am

David wrote:fine points....

Understanding that any particular focus can be proffered, overt or subtle. However, if taken, it does become a possession.

While\, our gray scale environment modifies in any moment which a decision is made, simple yes/no true/false fight or flight, selections can be made in a mindful, coordinated manner to fit a desired path.

If you wish to be happy, it is a choice. Focus on what you have, not what you want. Like a diet, it requires discipline.

Bleary eyed and desultorily yours,
david

If you wish to be happy, it is a choice. Focus on what you have, not what you want. Like a diet, it requires discipline.

Something you may wish to consider is what one needs. I do think that has some bearing on one's perspective.

jeremyboycool · Post by **jeremyboycool** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:22 am

David wrote:fine points....

Understanding that any particular focus can be proffered, overt or subtle. However, if taken, it does become a possession.

While\, our gray scale environment modifies in any moment which a decision is made, simple yes/no true/false fight or flight, selections can be made in a mindful, coordinated manner to fit a desired path.

If you wish to be happy, it is a choice. Focus on what you have, not what you want. Like a diet, it requires discipline.

Bleary eyed and desultorily yours,
david

"Understanding that any particular focus can be proffered, overt or subtle. However, if taken, it does become a possession."

And the question still remains if it can be "taken". It still seems to imply, to me, that there is a will; a will that is owned; a will that may be use.

"While\, our gray scale environment modifies in any moment which a decision is made, simple yes/no true/false fight or flight, selections can be made in a mindful, coordinated manner to fit a desired path "

"to fit a desired path"

Is it really choice if moved by a desire/wish or is that simply another cog in the machine? It may be that things move mechanically far beyond our power to influence. And while, it may be true that we ourselves are a cog, in that machinery, that does not mean we have a choice of which way we turn.

"If you wish to be happy, it is a choice."

You may only have made the "choice" because of the desire to be happy. So in reality you may have never had the choice in the first place. It could be that that "choice" was written in stone, long ago, when your hairy ancestors were doing the monkey mash. You were doomed to happiness. (About the gist of it.)