I got tickets...
I got tickets...
to Joel Osteen this sunday. not sure what to expect, but i have been watching him on tv and if he or any man of god can keep my attention like he has he deserves a chance. us bank arena in cincy.
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No, but there's an interview he did with Larry King where he basically doesn't stand up for what Christians believe, instead relying on the old "I can't judge their hearts" move to avoid stating outright if he believes you can only go to heaven through acceptance of Jesus. KINDA important to Christianity, ya know.Comtrad wrote:One of those kind that hit you over the head and you are "healed"?
They are amusing. Just like magicians.
thanks for your concern, but watching him on tv, the things he says and the way he says it makes sense to me. plastic or not, i figured it is worth a try. anything to stop the downward spiral.Burke wrote:Yet another plastic "God" man. Not worth your time.
http://joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=JOM_homepage
comtrad, if you dont know him then you should at least do a little investigation. like i said, if he has my attention, he has something special.
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i did not see that interview. is there a place that has transcripts i can read of it? larry king .com or something?Burke wrote:No, but there's an interview he did with Larry King where he basically doesn't stand up for what Christians believe, instead relying on the old "I can't judge their hearts" move to avoid stating outright if he believes you can only go to heaven through acceptance of Jesus. KINDA important to Christianity, ya know.
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You're better off finding a small, local church instead of the Super Bowl revivals hucksters like Osteen put on.Gixxer wrote:thanks for your concern, but watching him on tv, the things he says and the way he says it makes sense to me. plastic or not, i figured it is worth a try. anything to stop the downward spiral.
http://joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=JOM_homepage
comtrad, if you dont know him then you should at least do a little investigation. like i said, if he has my attention, he has something special.
You can Google the clips and analysis of Osteen's appearance on LArry King, including his apologies when the backlash occurred.
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thanks, i will check into it.Burke wrote:You're better off finding a small, local church instead of the Super Bowl revivals hucksters like Osteen put on.
You can Google the clips and analysis of Osteen's appearance on LArry King, including his apologies when the backlash occurred.
does not REQUIRE tickets. it was my and eveybody else's choice to go see him live.Kyle wrote:Salvation that requires tickets...
i don't HAVE to watch him on tv to become a christian. i was flipping through the channels and saw him on and remembered my mom mentioning him so i decided to stop and watch for a minute. like i said, the things he says and they way he says them make sense to me. i do have issues bigger than what he or any other church/man of god can do for me, but i figured what could it hurt.Mark wrote:*my opinion*
if you have to watch a guy on TV to become a Christian, you have bigger issues in your life than needing religion.
I'm just saying, that's all
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not gonna pay him any money. i am just desperately trying to better myself for my benefit and the benefit of everyone around me. if it turns out that he is a "plastic god", then i will move on and keep trying to better myself however that may be. like i said, what could it hurt?Comtrad wrote:Well religion is about feeling better about yourself, so whatever ave. that is, to each his own.
Just don't pay him any money. lol
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I went to his mega church once, back when I lived in Houston. In my opinion he is a religious motivational speaker. He doesn't preach or teach people how to live in the way God would want you to. He tells people ways to live happier by having all the material things they want without feeling guilty about having lots of money or a nice house. He tells you things like how to not hold grudges, just let it go; have a happy outlook on life and your life will be happier; smile and you will feel better; think positive thoughts about a good job and you will get a high paying job, things like that. When I was at his church he very rarely quoted scripture or related it to today's way of life, but the collection plates were out in full force.
Nice......JAFO wrote:He tells people ways to live happier by having all the material things they want without feeling guilty about having lots of money or a nice house. He tells you things like how to not hold grudges, just let it go; have a happy outlook on life and your life will be happier; smile and you will feel better; think positive thoughts about a good job and you will get a high paying job, things like that.
People will forget what you said... and people will forget what you did... but people will never forget how you made them feel.
if it helps those in need of help, why not?JAFO wrote:I went to his mega church once, back when I lived in Houston. In my opinion he is a religious motivational speaker. He doesn't preach or teach people how to live in the way God would want you to. He tells people ways to live happier by having all the material things they want without feeling guilty about having lots of money or a nice house. He tells you things like how to not hold grudges, just let it go; have a happy outlook on life and your life will be happier; smile and you will feel better; think positive thoughts about a good job and you will get a high paying job, things like that. When I was at his church he very rarely quoted scripture or related it to today's way of life, but the collection plates were out in full force.
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i did not say it was a self-help seminar. i said if it helps then why not. it seems to help me in some ways so i will be attending hoping to get a little help/insight from it.Burke wrote:Because it's not a self-help seminar, it's billed as worship of the Christian God.
If people want feel-good new age stuff, they can locate the nearest Deepak Chopra lecture.
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Gixxer, I believe Burke was alluding to the fact that I called Joel a motivational speaker, which is a person who gives self help seminars. I say go there, watch and listen, then make up your own mind. It's a free country. Sort of.
And my answer to your question "if it helps those in need of help, why not?", see Burke's response to said question.
And my answer to your question "if it helps those in need of help, why not?", see Burke's response to said question.
i don't care what the hell they "bill" it as. they could have called it "come here and we will tell you lies and take your money". it is hilarious you of all people don't get my point or choose not to.
my point is, if it helps in any way then i will listen.
it is hard for you to comprehend some very easy **** sometimes.
my point is, if it helps in any way then i will listen.
it is hard for you to comprehend some very easy **** sometimes.
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You sound like one of those Christians who attend places with names like, "Metro Church", "Center Church" or "Love Church."Brent wrote:wow you guys are harsh, let the man experience this, who knows what it'll open his heart to...
Just enough doctrine to reel in the people, but plenty of ponytailed bass solos and empty, non-offensive preaching to make people feel good instead of actually instructing them in the tenets of New Testament Christianity.
Interesting observation.Burke wrote:Just enough doctrine to reel in the people, but plenty of ponytailed bass solos and empty, non-offensive preaching to make people feel good instead of actually instructing them in the tenets of New Testament Christianity.
People will forget what you said... and people will forget what you did... but people will never forget how you made them feel.
This is the church I attend - http://www.macarthurchurch.com/Burke wrote:You sound like one of those Christians who attend places with names like, "Metro Church", "Center Church" or "Love Church."
Just enough doctrine to reel in the people, but plenty of ponytailed bass solos and empty, non-offensive preaching to make people feel good instead of actually instructing them in the tenets of New Testament Christianity.
"Would you mind not standing on my chest, my hats on fire." - The Doctor
Matthew 19:24
Whatever works for you, my friend.
Whatever works for you, my friend.
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Luck is where preparation meets opportunity - Seneca
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov
It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Liar, liar, your pants are on fire, your nose is longer than a telegraph wire!Noevo wrote:Different people respond to different approaches. Saying one way is better or worse than another is doing the exact same thing some rail against.
I have a feeling Mr. Osteen has helped more people with their lives than burke though, but what do I know
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