Are we de-evolving?

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Are we de-evolving?

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As I was walking to my car today and my cell phone rang and I took it out to see who was calling it and found out it was my sister because her name appeared on the LCD it dawned on me, I don't even know her phone number! I'm so use to just looking on the little LCD to see what name pops up (and I could put a picture to it if I wanted). I thought ya know, if the number popped up instead I wouldn't even know who it was. I thought, geez, most of the phone numbers in my address book on my phone I don't even know! All I know is the name of the people!

In the olden days before cell phones :p I use to know peoples phone numbers, you HAD to memorize them! We were constantly having to deal with numbers and such. Now we just look at a cute little picture or text name and know who is calling.

This thought can be expanded to other things involving technology were more and more things are automated, more and more things have different associations, more and more things are becoming easier to operate, more simple.

Are we not using our brains mechanically like we use to? Are we de-evolving into a dumb society?

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When it was just 2 area codes here in NY area and prior to the necessity to have to dial the phone number including area code it was real easy to remember numbers. Now we have 646,212,917,718,347 in this metropolitan area and its much harder to remember since its now a 10digit number to remember, as well as the other 10,000,000 PINS, and passwords that you need to memorize on a daily basis. I don't think we are de-evolving but we are definitely suffering from information overload.
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Of course, I strongly support reverse Darwinism...

On a more serious note, no. You need a lot more information just to survive in today's world as compared to 100 years ago. I believe life is much faster-paced now, people have to adapt faster and learn faster, while being bombarded with tons of useless or irrelevant information.

Still, you have to use the technology available to you in order to free your brain for something else, what you do with the spare cycles is up to you ;)
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I don't like technology.
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No, we are just using tools.
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[quote="Philip"]Of course, I strongly support reverse Darwinism...

On a more serious note, no. You need a lot more information just to survive in today's world as compared to 100 years ago. I believe life is much faster-paced now, people have to adapt faster and learn faster, while being bombarded with tons of useless or irrelevant information.

Still, you have to use the technology available to you in order to free your brain for something else, what you do with the spare cycles is up to you ]

I'm not completely sure I agree. First, I do agree that life is faster paced today. I also agree you need to know more.

That said, In some ways I think we ARE dumbing down as a society. Not so much with Brents example, but by our expectations of our children (which seem to be headed lower and lower) and the education we give them. I mean, consider the example of someone like Thomas Jefferson. Besides being a politician, he was also an "agriculturalist, horticulturist, architect, etymologist, archaeologist, mathematician, cryptographer, surveyor, paleontologist, author, lawyer, inventor, violinist, and the founder of the University of Virginia" -Wikipedia

Granted he was unusual, but the point is still the same. There were more given expectations of individuals at that time, and people rise to expectations if given the chance. A simple thing like writing a letter was an art form, even for the non-wealthy. Here's an example I found in about five minutes from the Civil War.

Before Vicksburg June 28/63

My Dear Sister,

"Under any other circumstances than those under which I am situated I would consider myself bound to offer some excuses for the delay in answering your letter of the 8th, but as it is I will have to depend on your own good sense to exonerate me from blame. When you consider that we are fighting every day and very often the greater part of the night, and when not in action employing our time in preparing for it by mending the embrasures, making plank floor to traverse the trail on, carrying ammunition from the magazine up to the high hill on which we are in position, and doing so much work that we have no time to go to our meals sometimes, you will see that I have not much opportunity for recreation: if letter writing can be called recreation." -Thomas D. Christie

Today, you just try finding a twenty-one year old capable of writing with such grace and descriptive powers. Heck I know I can't, and I'm nearly twice that age. I think we have lost sight of the classical education needs of our children, and spend too much time on fads and social experimentation with them. We give them marvelous tools, such as PDAs and laptops and computers in every classroom... but where is the foundation of education to use it for more than instant messenging or playing a game?

By comparison, I look at the children in other countries where education is both a privilege earned and at least somewhat classical in nature, and I realize I can have more of a conversation on systems of governance with an Indian programmer in a coffee shop the middle east than I can with damn near any American I know. I wish it were otherwise. I think we are becoming a nation with our heads buried in LOLerskating IMs.

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Depends how you mean de-evolving - we're evolving as in we're making better stuff etc. but the average every day person will probably use their brain less because everything's getting automated.
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No. We are not de-evolving. If anything we are improving our mental abilities by taping into the unused portion of the brain that until now was dormant.

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"Never have so many people known so little about so much." - James Burke

I suggest watching Connections 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection ... _series%29

It's the best documentary series I've ever seen. I learned more watching this then I ever did in school :D
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Brent wrote: Are we de-evolving into a dumb society?

Thoughts to ponder

so you believe humans "evolved" to get where we are?

just a thought to ponder :)
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Growing in some areas...yet I'd have to say on the average people are becoming less mechanically inclined and less physically active, less socially capable. Hardly any "do it yourselfers" anymore...fixing normal everyday things.
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YeOldeStonecat wrote: Hardly any "do it yourselfers" anymore...fixing normal everyday things.
I can attest to that.
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To the whole Renaissance man aspect you referenced, I think it's a might bit off. I'll use an example I can speak to with what amounts to an "expert" level. Surveying.

I'll be blunt, I most likely have stronger math skills and a more indepth understanding of the mechanics involved in surveying than Jefferson ever did. Specialization requires such. I'm not fluffing my ego at all, I'm sure if Jefferson had concentrated on any single thing he'd be remembered as one of the greats, whereas I'll just be considered a competent practitioner of the trade. In the modern world it is very difficult to become proficient in many fields due to the level of knowledge required to be "average". Sure an electrical engineer could probably make the skip over to mechanical engineer fairly easily, but it would be a leap for the same fellow to paleontologist or lawyer.

So no, I don't think there is a general de-evolve slide happening. Society is becomming more compartmentalized, focusing on more and more specialized jobs. A natural offshoot of cultivating knowledge is requiring more narrowly focused study.
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I agree on the becoming compartmentalized...I'm just shocked at the apparent balancing...to become specialized in one category...you have to sacrifice basic comprehension of a whole slew of other categories.

Things that I take for granted at being what I'd consider "average knowledge"...or basic mechancal inclination.

Every day I'm more prone to dropping my jaw at someone and wanting to ask them "Were you just born yesterday?"
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I think the answer to your question is simple.

we're not devolving, it's a matter of reduced linear perception. At one time, human being could devote multiple hours to a single task. Now, we're forced to multitask to such a dramatic level that the entrenched patterns in our brain do not have enough repetition to become excelled.

Even our reading has become a fast-paced jumble. The most successful authors often use 3-4 page chapters, as to not bore the reader. I remember my father disliking 'Cast Away' because he felt it was 'boring. Read 'The count of Monte Cristo' and then read a James Patterson book; do you see the difference in attention spans.

I believe another area that has caused this 'devolving' is a simple lack of sleep. I know that if I average 6 hours a day; I can feel my overall capabilites, language skills, motor skills and acute thinking skills dwindle at an accelerated rate.

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point proven.

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YeOldeStonecat wrote: Hardly any "do it yourselfers" anymore...fixing normal everyday things.
That is because as a society we are moving from being generalized to being specialized.

YeOldeStonecat wrote:I agree on the becoming compartmentalized...I'm just shocked at the apparent balancing...to become specialized in one category...you have to sacrifice basic comprehension of a whole slew of other categories.
Which is what you said a few posts after... :p
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brembo wrote:Bouncer-

To the whole Renaissance man aspect you referenced, I think it's a might bit off. I'll use an example I can speak to with what amounts to an "expert" level. Surveying.

I'll be blunt, I most likely have stronger math skills and a more indepth understanding of the mechanics involved in surveying than Jefferson ever did. Specialization requires such. I'm not fluffing my ego at all, I'm sure if Jefferson had concentrated on any single thing he'd be remembered as one of the greats, whereas I'll just be considered a competent practitioner of the trade. In the modern world it is very difficult to become proficient in many fields due to the level of knowledge required to be "average". Sure an electrical engineer could probably make the skip over to mechanical engineer fairly easily, but it would be a leap for the same fellow to paleontologist or lawyer.

So no, I don't think there is a general de-evolve slide happening. Society is becomming more compartmentalized, focusing on more and more specialized jobs. A natural offshoot of cultivating knowledge is requiring more narrowly focused study.

:nod:

They used to say "A jack of all trades is a master of none" the opposite is true with a society of specialists.


Think of everything you had to know just to survive in colonial timers- how to build a house, raise a barn, cook, sew or mend you own clothes...and all that on top of knowing your own business and raising your kids. Think of all the time that takes up that you could be spending developing something new, like a new invention, or a new type of business, or writing a new computer program. All your time would be taken up just trying to survive and fill basic needs.

If theres a big blackout or something and suddenly everyone has to fend for themselves there could be trouble...but short of that, it makes more sense and saves a lot of time if everyone just focuses on what the do best, and pays other specialists in other areas to handle the rest.
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