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    USB 1.1 Hard Drive Speed

    I am wondering if a 1.1 hard drive would be fast enough to run programs off of or not. I have a http://www.archos.com/lang=en//produ...cs_jbrec1.html
    I am planning to run all of my setup programs from there. Will there be much lag?
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    As far as I know USB 1.1 has 12 mbits/s bandwidth, thus you'd be able to copy 1.5 megabyte/second at maximum, which is like a 10x CDROM drive. Rather slow for an OS installation if you ask me, but if it is intended for installing lots of small apps/drivers it would do its job just fine.
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    I wouldnt consider running anything directly off such a drive. They would make a wonderful way of transfering files or even long term storage or backup though
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    Why wouldn't it be good? I can take 1.5/mbits transfers any good reason why?
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    load times will be excruciatingly slow. the actual running of the application itself will not change much as most just run from memory anyways.

    no DMA. no busmastering. every degraded aspect of HDD performance will be noticable without question.

    it's easy to say you can handle 1.5MB/sec until you find yourself growing a beard waiting for something.... nay anything to load. 1.5MB/sec is about 20x slower than contemporary hard drives.


    in my opinion, USB 1.1 drives are realy only good for data storage and transporting large amounts of data from one location to another.

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    Plus, the usb controller(or whatever it's called) was never meant to handle the stress. I heard repeated that's true in the case of using usb for cable modems. With cable modems, you get repeated signal breakups. I cant fanthom what would happend if you tried to run an os through it.
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    why dont you buy a controller card. A promise controller card costs less then 20-30 dollars...
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    What about usb 2.0? It $50 more and I would have 20gb.
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    even with usb 2, it's not built for heavy use. Sure, if you need to load a program once in a while or transfer files it's fine. However USB's were never meant as a sub for heavy use controllers.
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    i agree.



    the best advice i can give you is for what you want to use it for, USB (of any kind) is not the best solution. a clearly better solution (IDE. even if it required buying a PCI host adapter) can be had for less money, and produce much better results.

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    Originally posted by dud89
    What about usb 2.0? It $50 more and I would have 20gb.
    USB 2 will fly almost like a regular HD (remember zips are slower at their best). 480 Mb/s, vs the 12 on USB 1.1. So USB 2.0 is way above the capability of any drive.

    Depends on the program.....older smaller programs will run fine from a zip disk, which I imagine you're going to be running older smaller programs....obviously, since they have to fit on a zip disk.

    Is having an internal IDE zip drive an option?

    Again, depends on your program(s), which I imagine are older and smaller...so will probably be fine...just take a few seconds longer.
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    Well the thing is that it is a 10gb laptop 9.5.mm hard drive. What kind of card do I need for that?
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    what happened to quick reply???



    okay take a look at an alternative
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    Originally posted by dud89
    Well the thing is that it is a 10gb laptop 9.5.mm hard drive. What kind of card do I need for that?
    Didn't know it was a laptop.

    USB 2.0 external hard drive, or Iomega
    USB 2.0 Cardbus adapter to bring USB 2.0 ability to your laptop....if it doesn't have it built in.

    www.iogear.com

    Perhaps you have a firewire port built in? Almost as fast as USB 2.0...it's around 420 megs.....should do well if you get an external firewire drive.
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    USB2 HDs are almost as fast as IDE HDs, just takes up more CPU time. 480Mbit/s = almost 60MB/sec, and currently, only the new 200gig 66gig/platter HDs can even substain that kinda speed.

    Just make sure you've got a good USB2 controller, the best out there is the new NEC USB2 chip which claims to be 20% faster than older designs.
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    heh..... yeah, knowing it was a laptop would have mede a big difference.

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    Guess I'll go with a USB 2.0 external hard drive, or Iomega. Thanks everyone. (Where is quick reply?)
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