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    Leaders fear Jihad

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    i have to point out mess, that what bin laden is doing is NOT jihad. As you know i am muslim. Jihad is when another culture disrupts you RELIGION, as in destroying mosques, when you deface women, and stuff like that. Jihad can NOT be declared when osoma bin laden thinks that the US is the devil. Even if osoma bin laden said it was a Jihad and that all muslims should contribute, over 90 % would go against osoma bin laden.

    heck i want him dead myself.
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    true iranianhobo, really true, you muslim yourself?
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    messiah, just out of curosity, in another thread that was closed, you mentioned, Revelations.......and China....

    Could you quote that passage for me( the one that point's to what your aiming at) and explain your thoughts?

    I'm not flaming you, but it looks to me that you'd be in rapture if the end days were here right now....

    Be forewarned that when I was young, I must have read that book a dozen times..........I'll have my 2 cents after you post.

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    Whats your take on this Messiah? I'd be really interested to see what you have to say.
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    I'm tired to follow this now....if you do post back to my post, messiah, I'll respond...but for now I'm off to bed.

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    Our image of "invincibility" shall be restored once we steam roll over Bin Laden and his followers. Any nation outside of the Middle East that takes this opportunity to step up a course of action that would shift power deserves no less than a nuclear strike against their people.

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    The 6th trumpet prphecies a 200 million man army will kill 1/3 of the worlds population. The cia World Factbook confirms China now has the military manpower to field such an army.

    Also, in the endtime there is no mention of a single United States (US) as if we either dont exist or we have been accepted into the EU, and are no longer soverign in the nwo.

    I dont have time to write all of the things that reference to China, End times, Prophecy by MANY, as well as the overall economic reasons for such an exchange. We can look at the worldwide(and supported) destruction of Christians across the world, no doubtly endorsed by the Chinese and some Arab Muslims nationwide. We have bullied China, and have blown them off for so long with their threats.

    anyway- maybe when I have a free moment later I will have enough time to sit down and write some stuff: In the meantime I found this if it might help (havent read it- but the WORDS SHOIULDNT HAVE CHANGED)

    Lesson three - The Last Days in the Book of Revelation

    In the Gospel accounts Jesus gave a brief summary of the events that would lead to His return. But later He filled in many details. Some 60 years passed before He revealed more of the specifics about the end time to the apostle John. This long and detailed prophecy is in the last book of the Bible, Revelation.

    Here we find again the outline of the prophecy Jesus gave on the Mount of Olives, but represented in extensive symbolism. We also find additional details.

    In the first chapter John writes that, in vision, he was taken to the time he called "the Lord's day"--the same period called "the day of the Lord" by earlier prophets and other apostles (Isaiah 13:6, 9; Joel 1:15; Amos 5:18-20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10).

    Vision of the end time

    The book of Revelation is a book written to reveal the future, and Jesus Christ is the One who does the revealing: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place . . . Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him" (Revelation 1:1, 7).

    Here is the theme of Revelation: the time of the end of the age and the coming of Jesus Christ to establish God's Millennial Kingdom on earth.

    John explains where he was when he received a vision of the end time. "I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet"(Revelation 1:9-10).

    The Lord's day (also known as "the day of the Lord" or "the day of Christ" throughout Scripture) is the time of God's intervention in man's affairs when He establishes His Millennial Kingdom. (Plainly in this context it does not refer to a particular day of the week for worshiping God).

    Paul says, "For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, 'Peace and safety!' then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3).

    In another epistle Paul calls it "the day of Christ" (2 Thessalonians 2:2). The reason is that Christ, the Lord, is the central focus ofthese events. This is why the period is called the Lord's day.

    John's vision of the Lord's day begins in Revelation 4. "Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne" (Revelation 4:2). After describing the scene in heaven, John focuses on a scroll God holds that, as we will see, lists end-time events. "And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals" (Revelation 5:1).

    Only Jesus Christ, called the Lamb, is worthy to open the seals and unleash the end-time events. When God the Father determines the time is ready, He authorizes Jesus to initiate the events written on the scroll. They include the terrifying end-time occurrences prophesied throughout the Scriptures to take place during the last 31/2-years of the Tribulation.

    The seven seals describe the events before and during Christ's return to rule the earth. "Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels . . . saying with a loud voice, 'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!" (Revelation 5:11-12). Here Christ is being authorized to unleash the final events and then establish His Kingdom on earth.

    Christ opens the seven seals

    John describes the period before the final 31/2 years. Jesus opens, in Revelation 6, the seven seals on the scroll of prophecy. The first four of the seven represent events beginning in the days of the apostles and leading up to the time of the end. Jesus gave the meaning of the seals in the Olivet Prophecy about the end time (Matthew 24, Mark 16, Luke 21).

    The first seal (Revelation 6:1-2) represents the deception by a false Christianity that began in the days of the apostles (Matthew 24:4-5). The second seal (Revelation 6:3-4) refers to the increasing devastation caused by war as the end approaches (Matthew 24:6-7). The third seal (Revelation 6:5-6) represents increasing hunger and famines (Matthew 24:7). Other consequences of war and famine are represented by the fourth seal (Revelation 6:7-8)--such things as disease, plagues and civil unrest that kill many people (Matthew 24:7).

    All of the events in the first four seals have been occurring, with varying frequency and intensity, from Christ's time to our day. But they will also be greatly intensified in the suffering mankind will have to endure at the time of the end.

    The fifth seal (Revelation 6:9-11) brings us directly to the time of the end. It acknowledges the past persecution and martyrdom of God's servants and announces they will have to wait only "a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed," before God avenges their deaths.

    In Matthew 24:9 Jesus tells His followers theirs will be a time when "they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake." This will be a time of "great tribulation" unlike anything the world has ever experienced (verse 21).

    The sixth seal

    The next seal describes how "powers of the heavens will be shaken" (Matthew 24:29) after the end-time tribulation and martyrdom of the saints has begun but before God's wrath is unleashed in "the Day of the Lord" (Joel 2:31). These heavenly signs announce the beginning of the Day of the Lord.

    Frightening heavenly signs announce Jesus Christ's direct intervention in world events to save mankind from itself. This shows that while God has permitted the previous end-time disasters, Satan has been their driving force.

    "I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

    "And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Revelation 6:12-17).

    Jesus described this sixth sign in the Olivet Prophecy. "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption [rescue] draws near" (Luke 21:25-28).

    Consequently, near the end of the 31/2-years of Satan's wrath, God will intervene, first with signs and wonders in the heavens, then by orchestrating His final punishments before Jesus Christ's return.

    The seventh and final seal

    Finally the seventh seal is opened (Revelation 8). It describes seven other aspects of end-time events, each announced with a trumpet blast. In the first four of these, plagues God strikes the earth and mankind's environmental support systems. The fifth trumpet's plague inflicts great pain on those refusing to serve God. In the sixth trumpet plague, God permits an unimaginably destructive and all-out worldwide war to begin (Revelation 8-9).

    With the sounding of the seventh trumpet, the Bible reveals, "the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets" (Revelation 10:7).

    This mystery of the end time was briefly alluded to in the Garden of Eden and its meaning glimpsed by the patriarchs and prophets. John writes: "Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" (Revelation 11:15).

    God is in control. Every prophetic detail will be carried out according to His time frame.

    As Christ finished the Olivet Prophecy, He warned His disciples who would live during the end time: "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass [the terrible end-time events], and to stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:34-36).

    "This Generation Will Not Pass"

    Many are puzzled by Jesus Christ's words, "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" (Matthew 24:34).

    Did He mean that current generation of His disciples? Two biblical reasons eliminate this possibility.

    The first one is the context. Jesus had just said, "So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors!" (verse 33).

    Did His disciples "see all these things" in their generation? Certainly not. They were not in a generation that had the ability to destroy all of mankind. Jesus said of the final, end-time generation, "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved" (verse 22). Clearly the weapons of that day were not sufficient to bring this prophecy to pass.

    Although Christ's disciples did see wars, famines, plagues and persecutions, and some even lived to see the destruction of Jerusalem, these were not the total fulfillment of Jesus Christ's words. They were not the prophesied global events that would directly lead to Jesus Christ's return.

    Second, Jesus continually told His disciples that only God the Father knew exactly when the end time would begin. He said, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Mark 13:32). If Jesus knew the "Last Days" or "End Times" would be in their generation, He would have been contradicting Himself. He said even He didn't know the precise time. What He did know was the end-time events would all occur within the lifetime of one generation, that "Final Generation"

    Even after Jesus was resurrected and appeared to His disciples, they asked Him, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" Jesus responded, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority" (Acts 1:6-7).

    Jesus' disciples did not witness the "Last Days" or the "End Times". That was not the time God had established for it to occur. Only one generation, that "Final Generation" will be a witness to all the mounting global conditions described in God's Word. That one generation, that "Final Generation" that would be alive at the "End of The Age" or during the "Last days"

    What, then, did Christ mean when He said "this generation will not pass away"? He was merely explaining that, once all the prophesied world conditions are present, they will not continue indefinitely. World conditions will be so threatening that they cannot continue indefinitely or humanity would be in danger of extinction.

    These events will not pass from one generation to another. Once the prophesied conditions exist, all will be fulfilled--including the return of Jesus Christ--within the lifetime of one generation That "Final Generation"

    [See Our on-line document: "Revealing The Earths The Final Generation" For insite to the times and signs of the "Final Generation"]

    The Population Explosion and Prophecy

    According to population experts, it took almost 1,900 years for the world to slowly rise from an estimated 250 million at the time of Christ to a billion and a half at the beginning of the 20th century. Then, in the 20th century alone, the earth's population has exploded as it quadrupled in size. It has reached the staggering mark of six billion people. In spite of advances in birth control, the world population is still rapidly climbs.

    A glimpse at the trend shows why many are concerned. According to the United Nations Population Division, it took 123 years to move from one billion to two billion population. Yet it took only 33 years to reach the three billion mark and 14 years to arrive at the four billion level. Next it took only 13 years to reach five billion, and now, just 11 years later, we have crossed the six billion mark.

    From now on, it is estimated, one billion people will be added every 10 years. Provided this rate of growth--adding some 80 million new people per year--continues, our world population will double again in 50 years.
    What does this all mean? Is the earth equipped to sustain this constant overpopulation without bringing on dire consequences?

    Signs of global environmental fatigue

    Already the earth shows serious consequences from this rapid population increase combined with the excessive consumption of the earth's resources. In 1989 the fishing industry reported a dwindling of fish catches in oceans, and the decline has continued. Diminishing reserves of metals, fossil fuels, forests, arable lands, freshwater and wildlife are facts of life.

    Pollution has reached a global scale, with hardly any part of the earth free from contaminated air, water and soil. This is not an extremist view, but rather what world organizations such as the UN and the Red Cross are continually reporting.

    Perhaps in the United States, Europe and Japan, where funds are available to curb the most damaging effects of the rise in population, there is not so much concern. But these nations comprise only a sixth, or a billion, of the world's inhabitants. The rest of the world is in a far worse condition.

    More famines predicted

    The dramatic increase in the world population has placed great strains on the political, military, economic and social systems around the planet. Some relief agencies already consider parts of Africa to be in a chronic state of hunger.

    The population explosion is not only a problem of quantity, but of quality--because of varying living standards. While the birth rate in industrialized countries has plummeted, in backward regions it remains quite high.

    It is estimated that more than 95 percent of population growth will take place in world's 130 poorest countries. Already one fourth of the earth's inhabitants live on less than a dollar a day. Yet this is part of the group that is dramatically multiplying. Half of the world's population is concentrated in China (1.2 billion), India (one billion) and Africa (800 million).

    As the population grows, it strains the relations within cities and among nations. More crime, violence and disease will invariably appear as people are increasingly forced to live in cramped and unhealthy quarters.

    According to 1990 UN statistics, Tokyo was the most populous city, with 25 million, followed by New York City's 16 million. But the UN calculates that in the next 15 years the largest cities will be in poor nations, such as Bombay, India, with 28 million; Lagos, Nigeria, with 24 million; Shanghai, China, with 23 million; and Mexico City and São Paulo, with 20 million. Can these impoverished nations continue to provide basic services and enforce the peace as their resources dry up?

    Prophecy on the march

    How is any of this related to prophecy? First, according to the end-time scenario of the Armegeddon battle described in the book of Revelation, a massive army from the east of the Euphrates River will cross the river and bring a disastrous world war. "And I heard a voice . . . saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, 'Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.' So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million" (Revelation 9:13-16).

    For this prophecy to come to pass, billions of people must exist on the planet for this region of Asia to field 200 million able-bodied soldiers. Until the latter part of the 20th century, Chinese and other Asian people could not even muster half that number. But now, for the first time in history, they can provide such a massive military force.

    Also, as world population multiplied in the 20th century, so did the explosion of knowledge, made possible by improved communications, travel and technology. We can easily see the fulfillment of the prophecy God gave to Daniel: "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase" (Daniel 12:4).

    We take for granted such things as rapid international travel, computers, the Internet and the knowledge explosion, but these were widely available only beginning during the closing years of the 20th century.

    Parallel to Noah's day

    The prediction of a rapid increase in population is related to: The Conditions in Noah's Time. Christ compared the society of Noah's day to the end time: "But as the days of Noah were, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be" (Matthew 24:37-39).

    The people of Noah's day were not aware that God's judgment was being carried out because of an increase in their evil deeds. The Bible says the earth was full of violence and corruption, which was the reason God brought about the Flood (Genesis 6:5-12).

    The New American Bible translates: "In the eyes of God the earth was corrupt and full of lawlessness. When God saw how corrupt the earth had become, since all mortals led depraved lives on earth, he said to Noah: 'I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth; the earth is full of lawlessness because of them. So I will destroy them and all life on earth' " (Genesis 6:11-12).

    Christ's prediction that end-time conditions would be similar to those of Noah's time does resemble the description of our day, although we don't know exactly how long God in His patience will permit time to go on before He intervenes. He prophesied He will eventually punish the earth's inhabitants for their evil ways and establish His Kingdom of peace. Peter reminds us, "God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built" (1 Peter 3:20, New International Version).

    The population explosion is a fact of life. But little have people realized that these circumstances are leading to the fulfillment of end-time prophecies--ultimately bringing the solutions to a troubled world that only God in His mercy can provide.

    God's Framework for End-Time Prophecy

    What is the proper view of prophecy? Can it provide spiritual benefits?

    The apostle Peter mentioned that prophecy should serve to strengthen our hope and faith in the future. He said: "And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts . . ." (2 Peter 1:19).

    Here Peter compared Bible prophecies to a light that provides visibility until the final coming of God's Kingdom, brought by Jesus Christ to earth. When this occurs every eye will see His glory as if it is a great light (Matthew 24:27, 30; Revelation 1:7).

    God gives us an outline and sequence of prophetic events, but many specifics remain unclear. Some things we can see clearly, but others are beyond our view at this point in history.

    In other words, the Bible provides a reliable framework of prophecy, but it can be counterproductive to try to interpret every yet-to-be-fulfilled detail in the light of our circumstances. Such circumstances could change dramatically before those details come to pass.

    So what is the framework of prophecy that steadfastly remains? Among the many prophecies of events leading up to Christ's return, some major prophetic scenarios can be identified and specifically confirmed as they occur. As Peter said, we "do well to heed" them.

    First condition: Man's ability to annihilate life

    The first of these certain prophecies deals with a specific condition described by Christ that would be present only as the end time drew near. He said to His disciples: "It will be a time of great distress; there has never been such a time from the beginning of the world until now, and will never be again. If that time of troubles were not cut short, no living thing could survive; but for the sake of God's chosen it will be cut short" (Matthew 24:21-22, New English Bible).

    Jesus warned that a time would come that would see the destructive capacity of mankind so awesome that all human life could be erased. This is what makes the time of "great distress" so terrifying, unequaled in human history.

    Mankind has been fighting wars since the dawn of history. But man never had the ability--with rocks and clubs, bows and arrows, cannons, or automatic weapons--to literally exterminate every human being on earth.

    This changed in 1945 with the detonation of the first atomic bombs, followed by the development of far-more-destructive hydrogen bombs. With thousands of nuclear weapons at his disposal, man has the ability to destroy all human life from the planet many times over. This situation never existed in history until the latter half of the 20th century. Man has never been a great caretaker of the earth, but never before did he have the capacity to destroy all human life. But Christ predicted that, left unchecked, mankind would do exactly that, and this is one of the reasons He must intervene to save mankind.

    Second condition: the Jewish nation reborn-The Budding of the Fig Tree!

    The second condition that must exist before Christ's return concerns the existence of the nation of modern Israel.

    The survival of the religion and culture of this ancient biblical people, which witnessed the rise and decline of such great civilizations as Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, goes against the odds. The fact it was never assimilated into the nations where it was scattered is unprecedented. A historian of the 19th century, Heinrich Graetz, stated that "a nation which has witnessed the rise and decay of the most ancient empires, and which still continues to hold its place in the present day, deserves the closest attention."

    Historian Randall Price relates an anecdote about Napoleon. The French emperor was passing near a synagogue and heard weeping inside. He asked, "What is this crying?" He was told it was weeping over the destruction of the temple. Impressed, Napoleon said, "A people that longs so much for its city and its temple are bound to restore them one day!"

    That prediction has partially come to pass. Now the Jews--descendants of the ancient Kingdom of Judah again are in possession of Jerusalem, and their "weeping" takes place on the western side of the Temple Mount, at the retaining wall for the vast platform Herod the Great constructed to support the rebuilt temple. There, at the Western Wall, many Jews still cry and bemoan the loss of their temple and pray for its restoration. Thus the place is also sometimes aptly called the Wailing Wall.

    Christ described conditions under which, as the end time approached, Jews would again control Jerusalem and the "holy place." Later He said the holy place would be desecrated. He stated, "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains" (Matthew 24:15-16). The abomination of desolation, described in Daniel 8-12, deals with the defiling of the holy place in Jerusalem.

    Before 1948 this seemed like an impossibility. The Jews had been scattered for close to 2,000 years, and the Arabs were firmly entrenched in the land. Jews did not have the military power, unity or backing of most of the world to come to Palestine. Many books were written about the overwhelming odds against Zionism, the attempt to establish a Jewish homeland. Yet a Zionist state was established.

    Once the fledgling nation of modern Israel began in 1948, it appeared its inhabitants would never control Jerusalem, and the populous Arab nations that surrounded her pledged they would never allow it. Yet in 1967, in the Six-Day War, the state of Israel took possession of Jerusalem. But control of the Temple Mount, the platform on which the temple had stood, was given to the Arabs.

    Since the Arabs control the Temple Mount, or the "holy place" that Christ referred to in His prophecy, there is still a part of the prophecy that has not been fulfilled. Since 1989 organized efforts have continued to prepare for the building of a new temple. From 1990 on certain Israeli Jews have tried to place the first stone of the temple on the Temple Mount to no avail. Police and Arab authorities have prohibited their entrance, yet the resolve is there.

    That is how matters stand. Christ's prophecy has been partially accomplished, with Israel in control of Jerusalem, but with other parts of His prophecy waiting to be fulfilled.

    Third condition: A new power in the world- The Revived Roman Empire

    The third prophecy deals with the latter revival of the Roman Empire (EU), prophesied extensively in Daniel and Revelation.

    The prophet Daniel, interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a colossal human image, spoke of a series of "kingdoms" to arise on the world scene. The first of these, said Daniel, was the Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar himself (Daniel 2:28-38). It was to be followed by three other kingdoms (verses 39-40). Comparing history with other prophecies, we can understand that these four kingdoms were, in order, the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greco-Macedonian and Roman empires.

    Speaking of the fourth and final kingdom, the revived Roman Empire, Daniel said it would be "strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others" (verse 40). Rome indeed proved to be more dominant and enduring than its predecessors, swallowing up their remnants in a reign that lasted for centuries.

    However, Daniel also revealed fascinating prophetic details of this kingdom. He said the legs and feet of the image in Nebuchadnezzar's dream represented a kingdom, later shown to be the Roman Empire. The image had feet and toes composed "partly of potter's clay and partly of iron." This indicated that "the kingdom shall be divided" and "partly strong and partly fragile." Also, "just as iron does not mix with clay," the components of this kingdom would not adhere firmly together for long (verses 41-43).

    Then, says Daniel, "in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed . . .; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever" (verse 44).

    The Bible prophesies that a group of 10 "kings," or national leaders, through alliances or other arrangements will give rise to a union (EU) that will fulfill these end-time predictions. Daniel's prophecy indicates these leaders will preserve their cultures and languages, so it will not be one integrated group of states, such as the United States, but 10 individual political and cultural entities united in union for a common purpose. Some will be much stronger than the others.

    Notice that the book of Revelation gives more details: "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen and faithful" (Revelation 17:12-14).

    Some question whether the current moves to unify European countries are related to this prophesied power. It is interesting to let history reveal the roots of the movement. Michael Elliot of Newsweek reported: "In January 1957, six nations signed a treaty on the site of the ancient Roman Capitol, and brought into being the European Economic Community or the Europen Union . . . An aide to Paul-Henri Spaak, the then Belgian foreign minister, remembers that his boss said, 'Do you think that we have laid the first stone of a new Roman Empire?' Recalls the aide, 'We felt very strongly we were Romans that day' " (Jan. 29, 1996, p. 40).

    At least the idea of beginning a new Roman Empire was on the minds of the founders of the current organization of European nations. It has continued to prosper as barriers to integration tumble and greater cooperation and unity in economic and military affairs come about. Time will tell where these trends will lead--and how quickly.

    What does this mean? Where does this leave us?

    With mankind possessing the capacity to destroy all human life in several ways, with Israel in control of Jerusalem and a desire among some Israelis to restore the temple and sacrifices, and with a strong and determined effort afoot to unify the nations of Europe under the auspices of the European Union, we do well to heed the warnings of biblical prophecy and not ignore its connection with world conditions.

    These scenarios appear to be the most likely way various prophecies of Daniel and Revelation could be fulfilled in light of current conditions. However, whether they occur in this way or not, the Bible remains the inspired Word of God. The prophecies of the Bible will come to pass regardless of whether we understand them. In the meantime we should heed Jesus Christ's warning, "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" (Matthew 24:44).

    Jesus Christ's Olivet Prophecy: Where Are We?

    Jesus Christ, in the Olivet Prophecy (Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21), predicted several major trends that would increase and intensify before His return.

    When His disciples asked Him what signs would precede His return and the end of this age, He responded: "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:4-8).

    The major trends Jesus predicted were religious deception, wars, famines, disease epidemics and earthquakes. Do we see these things happening in our day?

    Religious deception and confusion - A Counterfeit Christianity!

    We have been horrified by the headlines of mass cult suicides and murders in recent years: Jim Jones and his followers in Guyana in 1978, David Koresh's Branch Davidians in Texas in 1993, the Heaven's Gate cult in Southern California in 1997, the Solar Temple Cult of Canada and France, and the Ten Commandments Cult in Africa. These tragedies made the news because charismatic leaders led their followers not to life, but to death.

    But by no means should we assume this is the only kind of religious deception Jesus intended by His warning. Even in the early days of the Church, Paul warned of "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ . . . For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness . . ." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    Other apostles also warned of a great religious conspiracy masquerading as Christianity - A Counterfeit Christianity. Peter warned of "false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies" (2 Peter 2:1). John wrote that even in his day "many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1). He also reveals the power behind this great deception: "Satan, who deceives the whole world" (Revelation 12:9).

    Some two billion people claim to be Christian. Yet they are divided among thousands of churches and denominations, all claiming to follow Christ even while they hold to a bewildering variety of contradicting beliefs and practices. Is this the Christianity of the Bible, or is it part of the religious deception and confusion Christ predicted?

    Wars and rumors of wars

    World War I was supposed to be the war to end all wars, after it took eight million lives. A generation later World War II claimed almost ten times as many.

    But what about other wars? Hundreds of thousands more have died since in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Bosnia, Somalia and other countries. Although most rarely made the news, 20 to 30 wars raged around the world at any given time in the 1990s.

    According to some estimates, wars in the 20th century have killed more people than all earlier wars combined.

    When the Japanese city of Hiroshima was destroyed by an atomic bomb on Aug. 6, 1945, the commander of the B-29 that carried the deadly payload wielded the power to destroy a medium-sized city. Today the commander of a single nuclear submarine carries enough destructive power to vaporize more than 150 large cities--quite enough to bring several countries to their knees.

    Dozens of such submarines bristling with nuclear weapons prowl the oceans, and that number doesn't begin to include the nuclear warheads that can be rained from other warships, aircraft, artillery and silos or trailer-launched missiles. Jesus said the circumstances at the time of the end would be so menacing that "no flesh would be saved" unless He returned (Matthew 24:21-22). Only within recent decades has mankind held the enormous destructive capability to literally exterminate all human life many times over.

    What will the next great war bring? According to Jesus Christ's revelation to John (Revelation 6:8; 9:13-18), well over two billion people will be slaughtered, or one third the world's population. With terrifying arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, such staggering casualties are a sobering possibility.


    You may be old enough to remember the headlines of the 1960s and 1970s, when drought and exploding populations led to the starvation of hundreds of thousands in India and Africa. Only later did we learn that millions had died in China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia and Ethiopia during war's aftermath and communist takeovers in those countries.

    Famine doesn't have to be caused strictly by natural conditions; humans have been shown to be perfectly capable of producing their own famines through ill-founded policies and practices. Famine is also a natural consequence when economies, transportation and normal agricultural cycles are disrupted during wartime.

    With the passing of each year, we see the unprecedented increased devastation of famines in selected areas of the world. But it's likely only a matter of time before a surging world population brings major drastic food shortages to all counties and nations. In this century alone the world population has quadrupled to more than six billion. Some 80 million new people are being added every year, with another billion people expected to be added every decade.

    If the rate of growth continues, the global population will double again in 50 years. What troubles many world leaders and organizations is that most of this growth will occur in countries least able to provide food, shelter and clothing for a flood of new citizens. With so many new mouths to feed, starvation--and accompanying social disruption--will inevitably spread.

    The situation is so tenuous that weather disruptions in food-producing areas could bring immediate food shortages at any time. An often-overlooked factor in weather patterns is the relationship between people and God.

    We have lost sight of the fact that God controls the weather. King Solomon understood this when he prayed: "When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because [the people] have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them, then hear in heaven, and forgive the sin of Your servants, Your people Israel, that You may teach them the good way in which they should walk; and send rain on Your land which You have given to Your people as an inheritance" (1 Kings 8:35-36).

    As people's behavior continues to degenerate as the time of the end approaches, other prophecies indicate that drastic changes in weather patterns--and resulting famines--are a tool God will use to get the attention of an increasingly rebellious humanity.

    Disease epidemics

    Medical researchers are shocked by a recent development: the sudden emergence of baffling new diseases and epidemics (32 new diseases have appeared since the 70s) AIDS has garnered the most headlines--and rightfully so, since in sheer numbers it has claimed more lives than the black plague that devastated medieval Europe.

    AIDS is only one of the incurable plagues that worry governments and scientists. The exotic-sounding names of such killers as Legionnaires' disease, Lassa fever, hantavirus, E. coli, Machupo virus and Ebola belie their deadliness. Some of these have resisted treatment or cure simply because they spread so fast and kill so quickly that scientists have not been able to study how they are transmitted.

    Equally frightening is the emergence of drug-resistant strains of old scourges such as tuberculosis, bubonic plague and some common bacteria. Other diseases once thought conquered--including malaria and cholera--are springing to life with deadly vengeance. Lest we forget, an unusual strain of influenza killed 20 million people in a worldwide epidemic in 1918 and 1919, taking more lives than were lost on the battlefields of World War I.

    The 20th century saw skyrocketing rates of diseases rooted in human behavior, diet and other environmental factors: cancers, sexually transmissible diseases, diabetes, heart disease and cirrhosis of the liver, to name a few.

    If these were not enough, keep in mind that the breakdown in the social structure that inevitably results from war and famine will no doubt lead to massive and widespread epidemics. Chemical and biological weapons are another chilling possibility when we consider how biblical prophecies may be fulfilled.

    Earthquakes in various places

    Only in recent decades have scientists understood the underlying causes of earthquakes. The crust of the earth, they have discovered, is like a cracked eggshell encasing an interior of liquid magma. The giant pieces of earth's shell slowly move as they float on the magma. Where the shell is thin, or where pieces grind against each other, earthquakes and volcanoes are now continually rocking the earth with ever increasing frequency and intensity.

    Earthquake zones include some of the most densely populated areas of the world--including much of the U.S. West Coast, Italy, southeastern Europe, Turkey, the Philippines, Taiwan, Indonesia and Japan. Potentially devastating volcanoes shadow such major cities as Seattle, Portland and Mexico City.

    Are earthquakes increasing? It's difficult to make long-term comparisons since modern seismographs have been in use for only just over a century. The Richter scale, which gauges earthquake magnitude, dates only to 1935. Also, far more sensitive instruments are in place today, so many earthquakes are detected that would have gone unnoticed in earlier years.

    Even so, records from the: U.S. National Earthquake Information Center show more than 20 quakes in the 20th century that killed 10,000 or more people, including several monster quakes that took more than 100,000 lives. Well over a million people have died in earthquakes in the last 100 years.

    Currently literally thousands of earthquakes take place daily, although most are so minor they are detected only by instruments. However, there are almost 1,000 moderate to strong earthquakes (5.0 to 6.9 on the Richter scale) in an average year, plus an average of 18 major quakes (7.0 to 7.9) and one massive quake of 8.0 or higher. Whether earthquakes are increasing in strength or frequency or not, Jesus Christ's prediction of "earthquakes in various places" certainly describes the 20th century.

    Remember, though, that Jesus said "all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet . . . All these are the beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:6-8). The many tragedies we see around us are chilling reminders of Christ's words and a foretaste of even greater catastrophes yet to come.

    As a result of these terrible things, those who survive and remain will eventually be humbled enough to finally repent and accept our Creator's promise of a bright future in the world beyond our age. Only then will the age-old prophecies of a utopian world of peace and plenty find their fulfillment.

    ** Alot of people preferescapism, and like to hide from the reality of the world. I have much more thoughts on this whole experience (beyond what I have said here) This act was designed to facilitate change.... now I leave you with a quote from Ronald Reagan....

    Crisis percipitate change
    A new World Order has been Inforced
    Bush Jr
    This will be a long Resolve
    7 year war?

    Keep in mind that the nations will attack Isreal and will fail- At some point Isreal will become the enemy of the world- I cannot see that happening while the US is intact.

    Also- ;listen carefully what the media is telling us to think...

    We will never be the same, our freedoms will be limited..hmmm

    Sounds like the beggining of a new world governemnt to me...
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    Hiya's my post. I do have a job, doncha know.

    First off, I too used to be enamored of Revelations. I grew somewhat despondent of it when I grew to realize that if you ask any minister, preacher, priest, or whatever, you got a dozen different answers to different passages.....Even a history of Popes could not define what it all meant. When the New Testament was being put together, there was a movement to even leave Revelations out. There was argument if it even meant anything. This also included the Catholic bible.

    Now on to your post.

    Lets start with the seals.

    The first seal (Revelation 6:1-2) represents the deception by a false Christianity that began in the days of the apostles (Matthew 24:4-5). The second seal (Revelation 6:3-4) refers to the increasing devastation caused by war as the end approaches (Matthew 24:6-7). The third seal (Revelation 6:5-6) represents increasing hunger and famines (Matthew 24:7). Other consequences of war and famine are represented by the fourth seal (Revelation 6:7-8)--such things as disease, plagues and civil unrest that kill many people (Matthew 24:7).
    Seal one in the above post.

    Revelation 6:1-2 And I saw when the Lamb opened on of the seals and I heard , as it were the noise of thunder , one of the four beasts saying, Come and see...

    2 And I saw and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering. and to conquer.

    false Christianity? from the days of the apostles? That could only be one of 2 eh? However, I do not see a connection with what was posted and this passage. In fact, it looks more to me to be about Hitler or Ghengis Khan...or even one of the money barons.

    Seal 2

    Six: 3-4 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
    And there went out another horse that was
    red (ok, I suppose you could refer to this as communism...still, red was a color of imperial power during ancient times, I could argue, and also, it seems that all the horses have a color.....dunno..) :and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill on another: (eh?...looks like any other war to me) and there was given unto him a great sword. (ok a symbol? or the real MCcoy? A new weapon? A nuclear bomb maybe. or ummm......maybe a new slingshot ...)

    The second seal (Revelation 6:3-4) refers to the increasing devastation caused by war as the end approaches

    Ok I suppose you could read that into that post but I would think it’s the second seal is more about the tyrant and a new weapon of mass destruction.)


    The third seal (Revelation 6:5-6) represents increasing hunger and famines (Matthew 24:7).


    And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse: and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand...(probably scales).
    And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny, and see thou not hurt the oil and the wine.

    If you read that passage close, maybe it's about famines...who knows.....Famine was a regular occurrence during ancient times. Still why even reference wine and oil? Seems strange that if you want to find the end of times with the middle east that oil won't be an issue, that it's left alone? Doubt it.

    The fifth seal (Revelation 6:9-11) brings us directly to the time of the end. It acknowledges the past persecution and martyrdom of God's servants and announces they will have to wait only "a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed," before God avenges their deaths.

    Ok.... that’s pretty much as stated in those passages...I'll not argue your post there. In fact, that could almost be verbatim with a Modern English version of which I do not own.

    Not that it really has that much to do with current events.......

    Still, don't you find it odd that if you are killed in the name of Christ, you have to wait to enter the kingdom of God? If you only believe that Jesus was the son of god and come to save us from our sins, you get a free pass...That's why this seal is so confusing...what's the point?

    The sixth seal

    I'm going to copy and past your modern english version, it dosn't seem to change much from the King James version...

    "I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

    And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Revelation 6:12-17).

    Consequently, near the end of the 31/2-years of Satan's wrath, God will intervene, first with signs and wonders in the heavens, then by orchestrating His final punishments before Jesus Christ's return.

    Ok, I'm reading....and I have a bible with cross references...still....the 31 and a half years is suppose be be during the time of the antichrist........that passage and I might argue either way, that the antichrist has not yet appeared to make himself known as the son of god returned.....there are no miracles to indicate such.


    7th seal...and more....

    Finally the seventh seal is opened (Revelation 8). It describes seven other aspects of end-time events, each announced with a trumpet blast. In the first four of these, plagues God strikes the earth and mankind's environmental support systems. The fifth trumpet's plague inflicts great pain on those refusing to serve God. In the sixth trumpet plague, God permits an unimaginably destructive and all-out worldwide war to begin (Revelation 8-9).

    With the sounding of the seventh trumpet, the Bible reveals, "the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets" (Revelation 10:7).

    This mystery of the end time was briefly alluded to in the Garden of Eden and its meaning glimpsed by the patriarchs and prophets. John writes: "Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" (Revelation 11:15).

    Ok I wont' go into all the trumpets here, other than what you allude to earlier.

    messiah sez.......
    The 6th trumpet prophesies a 200 million man army will kill 1/3 of the worlds population. The cia World Factbook confirms China now has the military manpower to field such an army.

    Actually passage..

    Revelation 8:13,18

    Ok there is reference to 200 million but why do you assume it's men?

    And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden alter which is before God.

    Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the for angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates...

    And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the this part of men....(ok here's a third of all mankind..) So where’s this massive build up of military might in China, for 13 months and a day plus an hour? Maybe not yet? dunno...still.....

    And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand....and I head of them. (look under Daniel 7:10) Ok so there is a bunch eh? 200 million.... lets look a little further though.

    I'm leaving out refers to 3 of the angels that were loosend.

    By these three was that third part of men killed..., by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

    Once again, one third....only this 3 of the angels. Does this mean that 3 countries will combine for a force of 200 million? If so, you could get that out of 3 of Europe’s biggest countries.


    So you see you could really read a ton of different things into that.

    So Armageddon is the final great struggle between the forces of good and evil. Right? It's linked to Megiddo.

    I see no connection between it and China It's just way too far away.
    Funny about all this......I used to read a ton of info that before the falling of the USSR that it was them and the US fighting Armageddon on the plains of Esdraelon. Not China.....funny how folk change their minds to find the end of times during their lifetimes.

    One more time....where is the Antichrist? Or does the book of Daniel not count in prophecy?

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    I dunnon bro- I copied and pasted that from another site:

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    Chapter 10
    The Idol Shepherd
    The identity of the Antichrist has been one of the most intriguing questions since the time of Christ. Many have been identified as the Antichrist based on their evil natures and heinous acts committed against God and their fellowmen. Such characters as Nero, Hitler, Mussolini, Napoleon, Juan Carlos, Judas Iscariot, Saddam Hussein, Henry Kissenger and Gorbechev have at one time or another been tagged as the Antichrist. The fact that none of these men fulfill the Biblical prophecies about Antichrist does not seem to deter men from tagging these individuals based on some perceived evil trait that these men personify.
    The one and only method of identifying the Antichrist is to search the Scriptures for the detailed description of him which has been given by God the Holy Spirit. A knowledge of what the Scriptures say about Antichrist can provide an unmistakeable picture of him.
    The first mistake that most people make is looking for someone whom the world hates or despises. In Revelation Antichrist is often called the "beast". God calls him a beast because he is evil and worldly. But to the world he is a wonderful charismatic figure who is admired and loved.
    Rev 17:17 (KJV) For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
    The Biblical description of Antichrist pictures someone whom the world loves and reveres. The leaders of the world will turn to him in a time of crisis. He must be a great world leader that is highly admired. For this to happen, Antichrist has to be a figure known and loved throughout the world. He must have a charismatic and a magnetic personality. He has to be an individual who has captured the fame of the world. He will be the subject of books, movies, television programs, magazines and newspaper articles.
    Rev 13:3 (KJV) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death...
    The second mistake that most people make is to look for someone who is alive. The Scriptures are clear that the world will think Antichrist is dead when he will actually be very much alive. This deceit will take time. The whole world will believe he is dead, and there will be great mourning over this popular world leader. Common sense reveals that Antichrist will have to be someone who has been around a while in order to establish his power base and credibility.
    He must also be perceived as a peace lover who exudes the ideals of a democratic society, since the new world order will begin this way before it degenerates into an autocratic government led by a dictator. He will be the type of individual who will have buildings, parks, schools, libraries, and airports named after him. In brief, the searcher for Antichrist should look for a man greatly admired, respected and well thought of by the majority of the world, but the world must believe that he is dead. Also, the Scriptures depict someone who has apparently died as a result of a mortal headwound.

    Psa 68:21 (KJV) But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.
    The Antichrist's head wound was prophesied in Gen 3:15 where the mortal head wound is first mentioned. The phrase "goeth on still" indicates that he continues in his sin even though the world thinks he is dead. The whole world must be convinced that he is dead since the world will be astonished that Antichrist has recovered from his mortal head wound. It will have to be a very famous person for the world to pay attention to his death.
    The wound will have to be highly visible to the entire world. The only way this could happen is if the head wound had been recorded in some way for the world to witness over and over again. This is a wound that the whole world will witness repeatedly. It will be a famous "assassination."
    The Scriptures say he will be a world leader. Also, it cannot be someone who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago since Antichrist will not actually be resurrected from the dead. He is a human being with a normal life span.
    His apparent death will only increase the reverence for him, and his legend will increase irrationally in the minds of the people of the world. He will become the superhero in death which would be impossible in real life.
    The "hairy scalp" in Psalm 68:21 indicates he will be a man with a full head of hair and the scalp will be part of the wound.
    Rev 13:3 (KJV) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
    The whole world will be amazed that the beast is healed. It was so certain of his death, but he has now returned from the dead. This "resurrection" healing will make him seem like a god, and the world will turn to him to be their supernatural leader in a time of crisis.
    Hab 3:13 (KJV) Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

    Habbakuk 3:13 reveals another clue to the identity of Antichrist. In addition to the scalp wound, it appears that Antichrist will have some damage at the base of his neck. A wound at this very critical place may explain another prediction in the Bible that he will have a withered arm.
    Zec 11:17 (KJV) Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
    Perhaps the wound to the head and scalp caused the blind right eye and this indicates that the wound is on the right side of the head. Also the nerves to the arms come out of the spine at the base of the neck. A wound here could cause a paralyzed arm.
    Dan 7:20 (KJV) And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
    Antichrist will be a great orator and the wounds will not affect this. He will still be able to speak and hold a crowd spellbound. His speeches will be part of his fame.
    His physical appearance is one of strength and health as compared to his contemporaries. He looks good on television since this is how most of the world will see him. He will probably be youthful and athletic looking for his age. He is clearly a desirable and charismatic personality.
    Rev 13:12 (KJV) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    The Antichrist will work closely with the false prophet, the Pope. The Pope will cause the world to worship the Antichrist. This presents another clue to his identity. The Antichrist will be closely aligned with the Catholic church. Even though he is privately evil and ungodly, outwardly he will support the Catholic church and worship as a Catholic.
    Rev 17:11 (KJV) And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
    This is perhaps the most revealing verse for identifying the Antichrist. This verse tells us that Antichrist will be the leader of the eighth world power, the revived Roman Empire. This empire is represented by the ten toes of iron and clay mentioned in Danial 2:42-43. This means that he will be the leader of the European Common Market. This is also the Ten-Horned Beast mentioned in Revelation 13:1.
    The most intriguing part of this verse is that the Antichrist is also of the seventh power. The seventh power is Babylon the Great which is the United States of America. This means that Antichrist will have been a President of the United States of America
    Antichrist is a real individual who will fulfill every Biblical prophecy concerning him. Many of these prophecies have already been fulfilled, and the Antichrist is currently waiting in the wings to emerge on the world's scene and fulfill the remaining prophecies about him.
    While the whole world thinks that he is dead, the Bible says that he "goes on in his sin" influencing world events and leaders. His wound is healed and he still speaks with power and skill dispite his head wound. He has taken care of himself and he appears "more stout" than others his age. He is quietly waiting for the right moment to reappear as the "resurrected" messiah to save the world in a time of crisis.
    Antichrist will graciously accept the world's bidding to take over the reigns of government to extract the world and its economy from wars and depression. He will bring peace to the world
    Dan 8:25 (KJV) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
    The Antichrist is filled with pride. He has seen the world worship his memory, and he has magnified himself. Through words and peace he will take power and destroy sovereign nations and their leaders. He will have a power so great that only the return of Christ will be able to stop him.
    The Bible also tells us what the leaders of Babylon will be like just before the "vile person" comes.
    Dan 11:15 (KJV) So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
    Dan 11:16 (KJV) But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.

    A king comes against God's "chosen people" and threatens them. But a defender comes who none can stand against. This one comes literally to the glorious land of Israel. In modern terms this is like sending Patriot missiles to defend Israel.
    Dan 11:17 (KJV) He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
    This one "that cometh" comes with the "strength of his whole kindom." He has the power and support of his people. He comes with "upright ones." Christians and churches are behind him. Gods people are praying for this war. When he leaves he gives them the "daughter of women." These are not soldiers, but ones who are without power. This would be a good discription of the U.N. peace keepers who are neither for nor against each side.
    Dan 11:18-19 (KJV) After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. 19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.
    Nations are always referred to in the Bible based on their geographical relationship to Israel. Therefore, the "isles" refers to the land across the seas from Israel (i.e., America). In victory, the President returns but suprisingly he "stumbles" and is "not found." He loses his power.
    Dan 11:20 (KJV) Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
    Following this President will be a new one who is a "raiser of taxes." And like his predecessor, he is gone before his time "neither in anger, nor in battle." And it happens in a "few days" which means a short span of time in the Bible.
    Dan 11:21 (KJV) And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
    Now we see the Antichrist appear and he is not given the "honour of the kingdom." He is not made President again, but he "obtains the kingdom by flatteries." Here again we see a reference to the Antichrist's great speaking skills and promises of "peace". With just words and his very presence he is given the power of the kingdom. The nations of the world will follow and obey.
    Like the story of Camelot, the king who once was, and will be again, has returned. The world will want to believe that the fairytale has come true. It will be hard to believe even when they see him with their own eyes, but they will have living proof.
    Can it really be true? Can JFK still be alive? And if he is, then we are at the end of the age, the rapture is near, and our lives are about to be judged.
    As you have seen from the Bible, the evidence is overwelming. Our nation is awash in selfish lusts. There is a pervasive nostalgia for the free sex of the sixties. The music, clothes and haircuts of Kennedy's era are returning. It is because of television, books and movies that a whole new generation has fallen in love with JFK's legend. JFK fulfills all the Scriptures identifying the Antichrist, and the time for him to be revealed is rapidly approaching.
    Every detail of Scripture concerning the Antichrist must be fulfilled, and prophecies already fulfilled identify him as John F. Kennedy. Genesis 3:15 gives us the first detailed information on Antichrist. In this Scripture the Seed of the Woman is Christ, and both Judas Iscariot and Antichrist are the Seed of the Serpent. The Serpent is Satan. Judas Iscariot and Antichrist are the only two people mentioned in Scripture who have been or will be indwelled by Satan.
    Genesis 3:15 simply states that the Seed of the Serpent (i.e., Judas Iscariot) will cause the heel of the Seed of the Woman to be bruised. This was literally fulfilled at the crucifixion when the feet of Jesus were overlapped and nailed to the Cross with a long spike. The process would have severely bruised the heel of Jesus since it was violently smashed against the upright of the wooden cross with the hammer.
    There are some who believe that Judas Iscariot will be resurrected as the Antichrist. Satan does not have the power of resurrection to life, and the Scriptures clearly state that Antichrist will only appear to die from a fatal head wound. The whole world will think he is dead, but he will really be alive (Revelation 13:3). The same truth applies to the similar misconception that Nero is the Antichrist and will be resurrected. Both of these misconceptions only serve to prevent Christians from seeking the truth, and they have the effect of delaying the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. Many Christians seek solace in these beliefs since they allow the return of Jesus to be pushed off into the distant future, and these Christians are relieved from actively watching for his return.
    There is also a current theory that Hitler is the Antichrist. The same argument that Satan does not have the power of resurrection to life applies here. Also, Antichrist will have to be someone who is loved and revered by the world, and Hitler would definitely not be a candidate for this position. This theory also speculates that Hitler will use a pseudonym, but the Scriptures are clear that Antichrist will come using his real name (John 5:43). It is admitted that Hitler was one of the many antichrists who were to come (1 John 2:18), but he is not The Antichrist.
    Antichrist is also the Seed of the Serpent, and he had his head "bruised" November 22, 1963 when an assassin's bullet ripped through his head giving him a "mortal" or "fatal" wound. The Hebrew word for "bruise" in the injuries of both Jesus and Antichrist means "to injure or wound greatly; to break or smite in pieces." Both fulfillments were accurate in detail.
    Revelation 13:3 describes the head wound, "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound...." Unknown to the world at the time, this "fatal wound" would be healed without the world's knowledge, and when the world discovers that the wound was healed, it will be astonished. Revelation 13:3 also states this very succinctly, "...but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast." Revelation 13:12 reiterates the fact that the fatal wound of Antichrist "had been healed."
    The world has seen the infliction of the fatal head wound literally hundreds of times in living color on television and in books and magazines. Numerous books and magazines have published the sequence of the fatal wound frame by frame with the head wound occurring in frame 313 of the infamous Zapruder film. There has recently been a tremendous surge of interest in JFK and the assassination since the release of the move "JFK". There have been so many programs on television focusing on JFK that it is difficult for a person to watch all of them. This intense interest in JFK will not subside, and he will one day soon reveal himself and fulfill the remaining prophecies about Antichrist.
    Zechariah 11:17 gives us more amazing details about the wounds experienced by the "idol shepherd" (i.e., the Antichrist). This verse states:
    Zec 11:17 (KJV) Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
    The Scriptures do not reveal to us which arm will be paralyzed, but the actual fulfillment of this prophecy confirms that it will be his right arm. The first bullet that struck John F. Kennedy pierced his trapezius muscle on the right side of his spinal column and struck the nerve root coming from the first thoracic vertebra. This nerve root enters the brachial plexus, a group of nerves which controls the muscles of the right arm among other things.
    The fact that the bullet struck this nerve root is confirmed by JFK's arm reflex immediately after the first shot. This nerve damage is responsible for JFK's "withered" (i.e., paralyzed) right arm. The withered right arm is also confirmed by some pictures taken of JFK on the Island of Skorpios in 1971 by George Duncastle, a British civil service employee. The pictures are legitimate, and they have surfaced several times since 1971. They were even shown on television at one point in time.
    The second bullet entered the back of JFK's head tangentially and blew a fist-sized portion of his skull out on the right rear of his head. The right parietal and temporal lobes of his brain were almost completely blown away. One fragment of the bullet went all the way through the brain and lodged to the upper part of his right eye. The path of the bullet would have severed or severely damaged the optic nerve to his right eye. This caused his right eye to be totally blind.
    Thus, the two bullet wounds suffered by JFK fulfilled the prophecies about Antichrist in Genesis 3:15, Zechariah 11:17, and Revelation 13:3,12. The fulfillment of these three prophecies alone defies the probability of mere coincidence.
    2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 confirms that the biggest single factor in the rise of Antichrist is deceit. This deceit is on a grand scale since the whole world will be fooled. The fake autopsy and funeral of JFK have been the world's grandest deception. Literally millions of people in the U.S.A., Europe and the world watched the greatest assembly of world leaders in history who came to attend the funeral of a man who still lay in a hospital room on the seventeenth floor of the National Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
    The body in the casket was that of a cadaver brought over from the medical school at Bethesda. Dr. Humes was the medical doctor who performed the autopsy, and he refuses to be interviewed by anyone in regard to the autopsy. He admitted to the Assassination Committee that the report he wrote was given to JFK's doctor, Admiral Burkley, who rewrote the autopsy report. This is an incredible admission since Admiral Burkley did not perform the autopsy. No rationale has been offered as to why the autopsy report was completed this way
    The rationale is very simple when it is understood that Dr. Humes performed an autopsy on a cadaver with a head wound significantly different from JFK's head wound. The report had to be edited to agree with JFK's head wound, and that is exactly why Admiral Burkley rewrote the report.
    This is also the reason why no conical section was performed on Kennedy's brain. A conical section is where the brain is removed and literally sliced into numerous thin slices so the path of the bullet can be traced. The cadaver that was used for the autopsy had already been worked on by students in the medical school, and the brain was missing when the autopsy was begun. The bullet wound would not have matched Kennedy's wounds anyway. This is the reason why Kennedy's brain was missing from the National Archives when a forensic pathologist was finally allowed to view the autopsy material 15 years later
    Jacqueline Kennedy had supposedly taken the brain to the National Archives, but it has never been located and no one has attempted to explain how it became missing. No one in the family ever became concerned about the location of Kennedy's brain since its precise location is well-known to them.
    Although missing the right parietal and temporal lobes, JFK's brain is very much intact inside his somewhat scarred cranium. The parietal and temporal lobes of the brain control motor areas of the body. Since JFK is right-handed, his left parietal and temporal lobes are the dominant control centers for his body so they have taken over the control of his body.
    JFK's thought processes and verbal abilities have not been affected by his wounds. He is simply blind in his right eye, and his right arm is "withered" (i.e., atrophied and drawn) because of the nerve damage to his brachial plexus. The blind right eye was caused by the damaged optic nerve. For those who are unfamiliar with symbolism in Scripture, a blind right eye and a crippled right arm signify a foe who has already been defeated. This defeat took place at Calvary almost two thousand years ago.
    Revelation 17:9-11 is one of the most mysterious passages in Scripture. It refers specifically to the Antichrist. The "seven heads" are the leaders of the seven world empires: (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) MedoPersia, (5) Greece, (6) Rome, and (7) New Babylon (United States of America).
    At the time John wrote Revelation, five of the empires had fallen and the sixth empire, Rome, was in power. The leader of the seventh empire had not yet come to power. When he does come to power he will remain for a little while. This prophecy has been fulfilled since JFK has come to power and he was leader of the seventh empire for approximately one thousand days.
    He now "is not" but he will also be the eighth king who will reign over the eighth empire which is the ten-horned beast or the revived Roman Empire. "Of the seven" means that the origin of Antichrist was the seventh empire. Even though "seven" in verse eleven is a cardinal number in the Greek, it is specifically referring to the seventh empire. The grammatical construction is almost identical to Matthew 22:26 where the cardinal number "seven" in the Greek is even translated "seventh" in most translations.
    Thus, JFK is "Rex quondam Rexque futurus" (i.e., the King who once was and will be again). This quotation from Sir Thomas Malory was the impetus for a book by Terence H. White called The Once and Future King. Sir Thomas Malory wrote Le Morte D'Arthur which is one of the classic works on the Arthurian legend, the most famous of medieval legends. Space prohibits a detailed comparison between the legends of King Arthur and John F. Kennedy, but the numerous analogies are not coincidental.
    President Kennedy loved the play "Camelot," and his administration is still nostalgically remembered as the era of Camelot. Time Incorporated published a book in 1988 called Life in Camelot: The Kennedy Years
    For those unfamiliar with Arthurian legend, King Arthur was a British king who ruled over a utopian kingdom called Camelot. He suffered a mortal head wound by the sword, and he was carried off to a Celtic paradise called the Isle of Avalon where he was to be healed. At some point in the future he is to return from the Isle of Avalon and again rule over Great Britain.
    John F. Kennedy also suffered a mortal head wound. He was secretly carried off to the island of Skorpios where he was healed. He will return in the near future and reign over Great Britain as leader of the Ten-Horned Beast or the revived Roman Empire.
    It is highly significant that the Island of Skorpios means the Island of the Scorpion, and in the Mazzaroth (i.e., the Zodiac) the Scorpion is symbolic of the Seed of the Serpent (i.e., the Antichrist). It is also not coincidental that in the Mazzaroth the scorpion's head is crushed by Ophiuchus, the symbol of Jesus Christ or the Seed of the Woman. The Mazzaroth has been called the gospel in the stars, and much can be learned from a study of it. This is not the same as Astrology which is a Satanic perversion of the Mazzaroth. The original Mazzaroth is a heavenly portrayal of the struggle between the Seed of the Serpent and the Seed of the Woman. Two excellent books on the subject are The Gospel in the Stars by Joseph A. Seiss and The Witness of the Stars by E. W. Bullinger
    The Mazzaroth exalts Jesus Christ and points to his final victory over Satan and the Antichrist. Satan has perverted the Mazzaroth into the system called Astrology which is so widespread in the world today. It is because of this perversion that the great majority of Christians who have a little knowledge believe that anything pertaining to the Mazzaroth is satanic. God created the stars and gave man the gospel of Jesus Christ in them long before He gave man his written Word in the form of the Bible. It is tragic that only a relatively few Christians are able to appreciate the true significance of the Mazzaroth.
    Will Antichrist be an Israelite? Scriptures strongly imply that Antichrist will be an Israelite, and that he will specifically be a member of the tribe of Dan (Gen. 49:16-17; Dan. 11:37). The Scriptures also indicate that he will rise to power "out of the sea" (Rev. 13:1) which implies that he will be a Gentile. The grand mystery is how both can be true. In actuality, he did rise up out of the Gentile nations, but he is a real Israelite from the tribe of Dan
    The rising "up out of the sea" has been fulfilled both literally and figuratively. In August 1943 during World War II, JFK's PT boat was cut in two and sunk from underneath him by a Japanese destroyer named "Amagiri". John F. Kennedy literally came up "out of the sea" and survived the destruction of the PT 109 which he commanded. The incident made him a hero since he was personally responsible for saving most of his crew. A book and a movie were made about the incident, and it was the impetus for JFK's rise to power. John F. Kennedy is also well known for his love of the sea and his vacations to Martha's Vineyard on the seacoast of Massachusetts. The Sea in Scripture is symbolic of the Gentile nations so this is the figurative fulfillment of this same prophecy.
    The tribes of Dan and Ephraim are part of the ten lost tribes of Israel, and they are conspicuously absent from the 144,000 Jewish evangelists who will preach the Gospel of the Kingdom during the last half of Daniel's seventieth week. They will, however, receive their inheritance when Jesus returns in power and glory at the end of the tribulation (Ezekiel 48:1,5). In other words, the world will not know that Antichrist is an Israelite until the end of the tribulation and when Jesus identifies the people of Antichrist as being of the tribe of Dan and maybe Ephraim. The following Scripture describes this event:
    Isa 56:8 (KJV) The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
    It may be that Ephraim is another group of people in the world not recognized as Israelites. The parable of the hidden treasure (Matthew 13:36-44) refers specifically to the nation of Israel being hidden in the world until the Lord returns. The identification of the people who make up the rest of the 10 lost tribes is explained in Chapter 7, /The Seven Parables of the Kingdom.
    It should be clear by now that if Antichrist is of the tribe of Dan, then the Irish people are Israelites since JFK is of Irish descent. This may sound absurd on the surface, but thorough research into the traditions and heritage of the Irish people, including their physical and familial traits, will reveal that they are remarkable in their similarity with the Israelites
    The Irish people perfectly match God's description of the nation of Israel. Throughout the Old Testament, God describes Israel as being a persecuted people. The history of the Irish confirms this description even down to the persecution in America when they migrated here around the turn of the century. They have also been kept "few in number" (Lev. 26:22), and they remain Irish whereever they settle in the world just like the Jews remain Jews regardless of the country in which they settle.
    There are numerous traits and traditions which link the Irish people to the lost tribe of Dan. The tribe of Dan was stonecutters, and Ireland is known for its stone buildings, walls and fortresses made of stone which have stood for well over a thousand years without benefit of mortar. The national instrument of Ireland is the harp (clarsech) which is very much like the harp played by David. The tribe of Dan tended toward violence and "much wine" which is a stereotype of the Irish people.
    The Irish are gifted intellectually and they are highly religious. Both of these traits are Jewish. The Irish are the only group of people in the world who equal the Jews in the number of Nobel prizes based on a "per capita" basis.
    The Irish people can only be traced back to about 400 B.C. which is 200 years after the tribe of Dan disappeared from history. The Irish were able to defend Ireland because of iron weapons and the use of chariots which they introduced into Ireland. The tribe of Dan was familiar with iron and iron chariots long before they were introduced into Ireland. They had learned about iron from the Philistines and Canaanites, and they were very much aware of the advantage of using iron rather than bronze in the forging of weapons.
    The ancient traditions and heroes of Ireland are fascinating, and their origins are as mysterious as they are fascinating. The mystery slowly begins to dissipate with the understanding that the ancient history of the Irish people can be studied in the Old Testament by studying about Israel and especially the tribe of Dan. The Irish have an ancient hero simply known as the Giant Killer. This fact standing along is trivia until we realize that this Giant Killer was David and the giant he killed was Goliath
    Another ancient tradition of the Irish was that the land of Ireland was a land that was given them by God. It is a mystery where the Irish got this tradition, but the mystery clears up when we realize that they received it from their forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who were promised a land as an inheritance from God. Ireland is not the land of promise, but the tradition of being given some land by God is of legitimate origin.
    The changing seasons of the year were highly significant for the ancient Irish, and festivals were held marking the passage of the year. This ancient custom can be clearly linked to the seven festivals that God ordained for Israel to mark the passage of the year and especially the various stages of the harvest (Lev. 23).
    The Irish have numerous other legends and myths that can be linked to the history of Israel as revealed in the Bible. One is that the Irish people will someday be married to God, but they are currently married to the wrong spouse. Another is that they will one day have a King who was chosen by God to be King and who was born to be King. No explanation should be necessary linking this to Israel who is called God's unfaithful wife. She will one day be restored (See the book of Hosea)
    Also, Jesus is their King and He will reign over them during the millennium. Another interesting legend related to this one is that the King must be without physical blemish. The origin of this has to be the sinless nature that the Messiah was to have at his appearance.
    Of course, these Irish myths and legends have changed over time and many adulterations to the original truths have been added. The basic ideas of the legends have not changed, and they can be clearly linked to the historical facts pertaining to the nation of Israel and even to the tribe of Dan in some cases.

    Historical Analysis
    One of the most difficult tasks in persuading Christians that John F. Kennedy is the Antichrist is in convincing them that he is alive. People have a tendency to believe what they read in the newspapers, and the more times they read and hear about something, the stronger that belief becomes. The fact that the Scriptures clearly teach that the whole world will believe that Antichrist is dead when he is actually alive should in itself be persuasive, but many Christians remain dissuaded even when confronted with this fact.
    One of the world's biggest mysteries is the events that took place on November 22, 1963 and related events subsequent to that date. It is as if the events of that day have been frozen in time and everyone old enough to recall that day remembers in detail where he was and what he was doing. The infliction of that fatal head wound has been indelibly impressed on our minds after having witnessed it countless times on television in slow motion
    The mysteries of the events of that day are still researched extensively, and numerous articles, books and videotapes have been created attempting to explain those mysteries. None have been successful in answering the mysteries of that day. The following is a brief summary of the events of that day and related events subsequent to that day with an explanation of the mysteries surrounding these events.
    After the fatal head wound, JFK was rushed to Parkland Memorial Hospital where he received emergency treatment. The doctors and emergency personnel quickly set about infusing the President with large quantities of blood and Ringer's solution in order to re-establish peripheral circulation and prevent hemorrhagic shock (i.e., blood loss). Parkland was a research hospital for hemorrhagic shock, and it is not coincidence that it was probably one of the best trauma hospitals in the nation. Dr. Carrico had forced an endotracheal tube down JFK's throat, but Dr. Perry performed a tracheotomy when it became clear that the endotracheal tube had failed to increase the air volume in JFK's lungs.
    Doctors Charles J. Carrico and Malcolm O. Perry have to be credited with saving the life of JFK even though they probably do not know it even now. Several other doctors were involved in the emergency treatment, but it was Dr. Clark who pronounced him dead in the absence of neurological, muscular or heart response. This was not the first time that someone had been pronounced dead when he was in fact very much alive.
    A nurse was called in to clean JFK up for removal of the body. This nurse made a comment that should have triggered another medical check of JFK but has gone virtually unnoticed. Her comment, "His body was still supple," shows that she was surprised that rigor mortis had not set in, but more importantly, it was evidence that he was not dead.
    An expensive $10,000 bronze casket was requisitioned from a local funeral home, and JFK was placed in the casket in the nude after a sheet had been spread out in the casket. This casket mysteriously disappeared later at the National Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland under the close scrutiny of the CIA, FBI and family members of JFK. The mystery of the lost casket has never been resolved. The truth is that the casket contained evidence that JFK was still alive so it had to be disposed of to maintain the cover-up.
    After being placed in the casket, JFK was illegally spirited away to Love Field where the casket was loaded inside the airplane after quickly removing some seats. The departure was illegal since a homicide was involved and Texas law required an autopsy in Texas to keep from breaking the chain of evidence. The cover-up of JFK's survival would never have been possible if Texas law had prevailed.
    Arrangements were made with a funeral home in Washington, D.C. to embalm and dress the body after an autopsy was to be performed at the Bethesda Naval hospital. The arrangements were later mysteriously canceled when it was decided that the embalming could be done at the hospital even though it was against regulations. The explanation for this mystery is very simple since JFK was alive and the cadaver brought over from the medical school at Bethesda did not require embalming.
    After loading the bronze casket aboard Air Force One, Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in as President, and Air Force One lifted off from Love Field in Dallas. At this point the world had been informed that JFK was dead, and everyone aboard the airplane thought he was dead. It was at some point in the flight back to Washington, D.C. that it was discovered that JFK was still alive. This is where the numerous discrepancies and mysteries begin and the obvious cover-up by the CIA, the FBI, the family of JFK, the administrators of Bethesda hospital, and the doctors who performed the fake autopsy.
    According to Oliver Stone who produced the movie "JFK," all of this cover-up was to conceal whether the bullets came from the front or the rear, and this was done to cover-up the fact of a conspiracy rather than a lone gunman acting along. This theory says that JFK was removed from the casket aboard the airplane, and the wounds were altered to make them look like they came from the rear rather than the front. The ludicrousness of this theory should be obvious to anyone reflecting on the logistics and planning that would be required for such an operation. A mission of this scope would make the old "Mission Impossible" series look like child's play.
    The simple truth is that JFK was discovered alive and removed from the casket. Kennedy's doctor, Admiral Burkley, enlarged the tracheotomy to help JFK breathe. This is why the picture of the tracheotomy was described by Dr. Charles a Crenshaw as different and much larger than when JFK left Parkland Hospital. The decision had to be made whether to reveal to the world that JFK was still alive or to let it continue in the belief that he was dead. It appeared obvious that JFK would not survive the gunshot wounds to the neck and head, or that if he did survive he would remain a vegetable for the remainder of his life due to the severe brain damage
    At the time this decision was made, there was no constitutional provision for the vice-president to take over the Presidency if the President were merely incapacitated. In other words, there was a constitutional crisis with no immediate solution if the world was told that JFK was alive. The correct decision was obvious so the cover-up began which involved the Kennedy family and the upper echelons of government.
    Another major factor in the decision to cover-up that JFK was still alive was the obvious fact that the attempted assassination was the handiwork of organized crime. The Kennedy family and aides knew that a contract put out on someone's life by the Mafia was never rescinded. This is the primary reason JFK has been living in obscurity for almost 30 years now.
    It is highly significant that organized crime under the leadership of the Mafia is now considered dead with the conviction and incarceration for life of John Gotti, the last of the Godfathers. All of the traditional leaders of the Mafia are now dead or incarcerated for life, and this presents an opportune time for JFK to reveal himself without fear of retaliation by the Mafia.
    It is now common knowledge that the Mafia was responsible for the assassination of JFK and RFK, and both were conspiracies. Unfortunately, Oliver Stone's movie "JFK" was not able to distinguish between the conspiracy of the Mafia to kill JFK and the conspiracy of the government and family of JFK to conceal the fact that he was still alive. What the government and JFK's family did not foresee was the extent of JFK's recovery.
    Air Force One landed at Andrews Air Force Base and the numerous mysteries about the assassination began. The empty bronze casket was unloaded from the starboard side of the aircraft. The honor guard that had been requested to unload the casket were not allowed by General McHugh and others aboard the aircraft to carry the casket. This mystery is easily resolved since they knew that the honor guard would easily detect that the casket was empty. It has now been conclusively established that the bronze casket was empty when it was unloaded
    News videos later showed that a helicopter was approaching Air Force One from the port side of the aircraft at the time the bronze casket was being unloaded. The attention of the news media was focused on the bronze casket. While the hearse carrying the bronze casket was on its way to Bethesda with the news media following, JFK was carried aboard the helicopter to Bethesda where he received emergency surgery. It is established fact that a helicopter landed at Bethesda before the bronze casket arrived, but it is still unknown who the injured person was who received so much attention when the helicopter arrived.
    Another hearse arrived at the hospital back door before the bronze casket arrived at the front door. It supposedly contained the body of JFK, but the discrepancies were numerous. The body was in a Viet Nam type body bag, and it was in a cheap metal shipping casket. Also, the head had a towel wrapped around it covering the face. The head wound was massive, and it was totally different from the head wound described by the doctors at Parkland hospital. Aides who helped unload the body were astounded because surgery had already been performed on the body and the entire brain was missing
    This body was actually a cadaver brought over from the medical school at Bethesda. This body received the so-called autopsy, and it was the body buried at Arlington National Cemetery. This is the reason why none of the Kennedy family ever visit the grave site except on ceremonial occasions. This is also why JFK's children said in a recent interview that they never think about JFK's death but only think about his life. Jacqueline's friends are also very curious as to why she still refers to "Jack" in the present tense after almost 30 years. They reason that she has never really been able to accept his death.
    One of the mysteries that has never been resolved is why LBJ set up his presidential office in a building across the street from the White House and remained there for several weeks. It was common knowledge that RFK, the Attorney General, would not allow LBJ to set up his office in the oval office. It was several weeks later that RFK changed his mind and allowed LBJ into the oval office
    This mystery is easily resolved when it is understood that LBJ was not legally the President until Congress passed an amendment to the constitution allowing the vice-president to become President if the President became incompetent. LBJ would not have submitted to this intimidation if he had legally been the President. He hated the Kennedys, and he was a ruthless and egotistical individual.
    One significant fact that has never been addressed by the Kennedy family or the administrators of Bethesda is Jacqueline Kennedy's frequent visits to the hospital for several years after the assassination. The answer to this mystery ties in with another mystery that has never been explained. The seventeenth floor of Bethesda hospital is the VIP suite, and it was completely closed off to hospital personnel and visitors for several years. It certainly is not coincidence that the seventeenth floor was reopened for use after Jacqueline Kennedy married Aristotle Onassis in 1968 and she moved to the Island of Skorpios.
    Most people are not aware that JFK and Onassis were good friends before the assassination. The Island of Skorpios was a perfect place for the care and rehabilitation of JFK, and Jacqueline and the children could be isolated from the news media. Therefore, a marriage between Aristotle and Jackie was arranged with Cardinal Cushing's blessings.
    Cardinal Cushing was the Kennedy's spiritual counselor, and he was criticized for blessing the marriage since Aristotle was divorced. He responded by saying that the world would approve of the marriage if they knew the circumstances. The marriage was a complete sham with a contract for them to have separate bedrooms.This is why Cardinal Cushing could grant his blessings to the marriage without violating his conscience. The reader should take note that Jackie has not been romantically linked with anyone since the death of Aristotle Onassis.
    John F. Kennedy has been seen on the Island of Skorpios by several people. Ardash Tookoian, a Greek tour guide, has stated that he often saw JFK in his wheelchair on the island. A Greek nurse named Koula Markopolis was hired by Aristotle Onassis to care for JFK. George Duncastle, a British civil service employee even took some pictures of JFK with a telephoto lens in 1971. The pictures show JFK being assisted out of his wheelchair by Jackie and two secret service men. JFK's hair is "white like wool" and his "withered" right arm is clearly visible.
    God gave us a detailed portrait of Antichrist in the Scriptures, and the idea that Christians will be unable to identify him has no Scriptural basis. Antichrist has to be someone, and the fact that JFK perfectly fulfills numerous prophecies about the Antichrist should cause Christians to wake up to the prophetic truths about the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to having already fulfilled numerous prophecies about Antichrist, JFK is in a position to fulfill the remainder of the prophecies about this individual.
    Since Antichrist will be the world leader, it is common sense that he will have to be someone well-known throughout the world. He will also have to be someone admired and respected throughout the world and especially in Europe since he will be leader of the European Common Market. JFK was the most respected world leader in history. He was especially loved throughout Europe, and numerous Europeans have pictures of him in their homes
    He lived and traveled in Europe when his father, Joseph Kennedy, was ambassador to Great Britain. He also took frequent vacations to Europe. JFK actually knew more about Europe than he knew about America at the time he became President
    It is also highly significant that Pierre Salinger, JFK's press secretary and confidant, was chief foreign correspondent with CBS News, in France for amny years. He has now moved to Washington D.C. to work for one of the worlds largest public relations firms.
    Also, John Kennedy Jr. has quit his law office job in New York and has moved to Washington D.C. to work for an unidentified Government agency.
    Six months before the assassination JFK visited six of the then nine members of the European Common Market. He and Jackie received a resounding welcome in all six countries. Europe openly demonstrated its love for John F. Kennedy, and this was just a preview of Europe's attraction for JFK when he returns as the Roman Prince.
    Since the Antichrist will be revealed by the Jews as their messiah, it seems only fitting that he be highly regarded by the Jews. John F. Kennedy was loved and highly respected by the Jews in the world. When he was elected President 82% of Jews voted for him, and this was the highest percentage of any ethnic group in America
    The Jews throughout the world also mourned his death, and a large memorial building looking like the sun with rays extending out from it was constructed outside of Jerusalem. The building sits on top of a mountain, and it is surrounded by a forest of trees. JFK was loved and admired by the Jews of the world, and he will be readily accepted by the Jews as their messiah when he reveals himself
    A primary accomplishment of Antichrist will be his successfully negotiated treaty (i.e., covenant) with Israel and the Arabs. JFK has already proven himself with Israel when he guaranteed their security for the first time in 1961. He followed up a year later with this promise by selling Israel a major defense system, the Hawk anti-aircraft missile. It is also significant that JFK's daughter, Caroline, married a Jew. To the Jewish mind this is highly symbolic of a covenant relationship which is verified by the Old Testament. Caroline recently had her first son who is named John Kennedy Schlossberg. This will only enhance the endearment that the Jews have for John F. Kennedy.
    One major difficulty in convincing anyone that JFK is the Antichrist is convincing them that he could have possibly survived the massive head wound that he received. The primary argument for this is the Scriptural description of this exact situation. The whole world will be astonished that Antichrist survived the fatal head wound. A simple belief in what the Scriptures say should be sufficient, but the Church is filled with doubting Thomases. Therefore, the following case history should provide additional evidence that a person can survive a massive head wound with his mental faculties unimpaired:
    The writer personally knows of a man in a nursing home approximately two miles from his home who attempted suicide 20 years ago by shooting a bullet into his temple. He almost completely destroyed the parietal and temporal lobes on both sides of his brain. The doctors informed the wife at the time that it was impossible for the man to survive more than a few hours because of the extensive brain damage. Not only did he survive but the doctors are still amazed that the man's mental faculties and verbal abilities are totally unaffected.
    He is totally paralyzed except for his ability to move his right arm. It must be remembered that JFK only lost the parietal and temporal lobes on the right side of his brain. Since he is right-handed, the left lobes are dominant and have taken over the control of the motor functions of his body. The brain has an amazing ability to compensate for portions that have been destroyed. Medical history is replete with examples of this nature, but ignorance still predominates in the arena of physiological understanding.
    Another area of unbelief that plagues Christians when they hear that JFK is the Antichrist is the doubt that anyone could actually worship him. The first argument for this inevitable state of affairs is a simple quotation from the Encyclopedia of American Religions, 3rd Edition.

    No central headquarters.

    Shortly after the death of the charismatic President John F. Kennedy, people began to claim contact with his spirit. They began ascribing healings of many serious diseases, some congenital and/or terminal, to that spirit. By 1970 more than 100 such reports were on file. Coincidental with these accounts of miracles was the emergence of a loosely organized movement in which John F. Kennedy was an object of worship.
    The first manifestations were home shrines centered upon pictures of Kennedy. In 1972 Farley McGivern organized a John F. Kennedy Memorial Temple in Los Angeles to provide headquarters for the movement. To believers, Kennedy is thought of as a god. McGivern believed that Kennedy gave his life for his people to warn them of the evil around them.
    The existence of this movement has been known only through the occasional encounters by reporters with people who claim to be a part of it. To Most people involved in it, their belief is a very private matter which is rarely shared with others, even close friends. Hence, little information about it exists.
    Membership: In the 1970s, 2,000 adherents around the United States were reported."
    A second argument for the reality of JFK being an object of worship is some quotations from the book Smiling through the Apocalypse, Esquire's History of the Sixties. The following quotations are from the chapter "The Holy Family" by Gore Vidal which expounds on the dynastic tendencies of the Kennedy family:
    "From the beginning the godhead shone for those who had eyes to see."
    "From the triumph to triumph the hero proceeds to the convention at Los Angeles where the god is recognized. The only shadow upon that perfect day is cast, significantly, by Lyndon B. Johnson. Like Lucifer he challenged the god at the convention; and was struck down only to be raised again as son of morning."
    "From this point on the thousand days unfold in familiar sequence and, though details differ from gospel to gospel, the story already possesses the quality of a passion play; disaster at Cuba One, triumph at Cuba Two; the eloquent speeches; the fine pageantry and always the crowds and glory, ending at Dallas.
    With Lucifer now rampant upon the heights, the surviving Kennedys are again at work to regain the lost paradise, which means that books must be written not only about the new incarnation of the Kennedy godhead but the old. For it is the dead hero's magic that makes legitimate the family's pretensions. As the Osiris-Adonis-Christ figure, J.F.K. is already the subject of a cult that may persist, through the machinery of publicity, long after all memory of his administration has been absorbed by the golden myth now being created in a thousand books to the single end of maintaining in power our extraordinary holy family."
    The above quotations clearly depict the religious overtones connected with JFK and his "sacrificial death" to warn his people of the evil around them. It is not coincidental that this is the same theme in new age teaching which centers on Lucifer and attributes to him a sacrifice to teach mankind about evil. According to new age teaching, Lucifer will one day be reconciled to God and reign over the earth. An incarnation must take place before this reign can begin, and that incarnation will take place in the "Man of Sin" who is better known as the Antichrist. Genesis 3:15 refers to him as the Seed of the Serpent.
    On July 18, 1969, at 11:15 p.m. Ted Kennedy drove a car off a bridge at Chappaquid**** Island in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts and killed a young lady named Mary Jo Kopechne. The true facts of what happened that night are still a mystery, but there is one mystery that stands out from the others.
    About 2:30 a.m. on the morning of July 19, 1969 after having just killed someone, Ted Kennedy made a telephone call to the home of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. Jackie was in Europe at the time, but Ted talked to someone at her house for 20 minutes. Ted refused in court to divulge the name of the person with whom he had talked.
    Telephone company records confirmed the telephone call and its length, but the person with whom Ted talked is still a mystery. The identity of the mystery person should be clear to the reader, but a few edifying statements are in order for those unfamiliar with the legendary Kennedys. Ted Kennedy reverenced his older brother Jack since Ted was a child. Big Brother Jack would be the first person Ted would call in just such an emergency as Chappaquid****. It is logical that JFK would be at Jackie's house at 2:30 in the morning even with Jackie in Europe
    Also, JFK would be the one person that Ted would not be able to identify as the other party on the line. In addition, it was not until 1971 that JFK was photographed on the Island of Skorpios. Thus, the timing would also be appropriate for JFK to have left Bethesda hospital but not yet have gone to Skorpios.
    One recent mystery involves one of the Kennedy Estates in Virginia which is locatied just outside Washington D.C. World leaders including the Queen of England have been observed visiting this estate under mysterious circumstances. The primary mystery is the identity of the host receiving the world leaders. It is inconceivable that these world leaders would be coming to visit with Ted Kennedy whose popularity in Europe is virtually nil.
    The implication has even been made that maybe JFK really is still alive as rumors have maintained since the date of the assassination. Stories about JFK being alive have circulated throughout the world long before the tabloids became popular and turned the story into an object of ridicule. No credible journalist interested in a career would dare write anything even hinting that JFK could be alive after 30 years
    Truman Capote did write an article shortly after the assassination saying JFK had survived, but he retracted the article and said he was wrong. Anyone voicing this opinion now needs to have tough skin and a stout heart in order to handle the fiery darts of the devil since this world scam is his creation. Satan is the father of lies and deceit and this is his masterpiece. The purpose of this chapter is to enlighten the children of God in regard to this plan and help them prepare to meet the Lord when He returns in the near future.
    Jesus Christ came to earth and lived in obscurity for 30 years and was then proclaimed as the messiah by John the Baptist. He ministered for 3.5 years and then went into Jerusalem and claimed to be God. Antichrist has lived in obscurity for 30 years. When he comes out he will be proclaimed as the messiah by the false prophet. He will be given authority for 3.5 years and then he will enter Jerusalem and claim to be God
    If Antichrist mimics Jesus Christ, then he should be revealed in the very near future. This is not setting a date, but it is sounding the alarm. The Bridegroom is coming, and Christians need to prepare to meet Him.

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    messiah, I put a lot of work into my origianal post...

    If you don't want true debate...or if you just can't handle someone having a different view than yours....that's fine.

    To just cut and paste is akin to changing the subject when you feel your loosing an arguement. It's an old tried and true method.

    If you want no debate on this issue, maybe a forum is not the correct place for your ideas? Maybe what Evil posted is right? Your spreading panic for what? Some form of misaligned gleefulness? dunno. You tell us....

    Again...I put a lot of work into a post you didn't read...thanks.

    Oh and if you get no response for a while, it's because I'm off to a football game. My son is playing. I'll not let what a madman did to this country change what it's really all about. It's just a major inconvenience for the time being. And nothing on the scale of what any country involved is going to go through.
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    Well, until JFK rises from the dead, I don't think that all means too much.

    I spent allot of time reading those posts.

    It's interesting.

    Simply run adaware, spybot, ZoneAlarm, HijackThis, AVG, update windows daily, have a router, don't open e-mail, turn off action scripting, don't use P2P networks, don't violate EULAs, and wear a condom to get Windows secured.

    People say Linux is alot of work!

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    Originally posted by downhill
    messiah, I put a lot of work into my origianal post...

    If you don't want true debate...or if you just can't handle someone having a different view than yours....that's fine.

    To just cut and paste is akin to changing the subject when you feel your loosing an arguement. It's an old tried and true method.

    If you want no debate on this issue, maybe a forum is not the correct place for your ideas? Maybe what Evil posted is right? Your spreading panic for what? Some form of misaligned gleefulness? dunno. You tell us....

    Again...I put a lot of work into a post you didn't read...thanks.

    Oh and if you get no response for a while, it's because I'm off to a football game. My son is playing. I'll not let what a madman did to this country change what it's really all about. It's just a major inconvenience for the time being. And nothing on the scale of what any country involved is going to go through.
    I didnt realize we were having a debate man. I thought we were swapping ideas. Looks like your having some hard times dealing right now. I have freedom to do whatever the hell I want to do, and that wont change. Perhaps if I realized you were directly attacking my position (which is not my position) I would have understood your purpose. Why would I want to stir anything up, if thats my opinion? Since when have you devalued someones thoughts and opinions? Perhaps this action has done more to you than you think man. I am not responsible for your perceptions. What exactly was EA right about?

    I DO believe we will see a major conflict with China, why thats so infeesible to you has not been articulated well enough. The signs point to the attack on freedom. Let's say that this campaign was an attack worldwide on all non-freedom loving nations. That would surely include China my friend. Why? Becuase they persecute christians, and threaten us in a way that gets under our skin, not to mention that whole concept of communism. The facts show that China is supporting the Taliban, and have used Afghanastan as a training ground. Aside from the religious aspect of this, world events and relations show a razor sharp sword dividing the interests of China and the US. China is super close to obtaining Super power status. They are sophisticated, intelligent, and know how to win war. (have you seen their police?)

    So whatever man, I wont "paste prophecy" here if you want to debate somene elses words.

    here are mine... so whats up?

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    the title of the China post, was giving a fact!! and ill tell ya it made me shudder

    now downhill i for one agree 100% with what your saying, and hope messiah will think b4 doing a post header like that again, until all the facts are knowen...

    also i think a word from the SG mods, in a pm to messiah is needed.

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    Ok lets not call it a debate but discussion. Not handle what? LOL

    I have no issues here. I've laid it all out flat on the table and I got not a single item of feedback. I'm still waiting. Nor what I posted was ment to be an attack on your beliefs. Your more than welcome to think as you do. It makes the world turn eh?

    I read that link you posted also. Now the difference here, is that I didn't read into it what you did. The last agreement was done on the day of the attack here. I kinda read that as China made a mistake. I wonder if that same agreement would have been done on say, Wednesday.

    Still, I have not your verbal skills. My curiosity was geniune as to your feelings on the subject posted and all I got were cut and pasted items from all I know a web site put out by ......well I'll not name it simply because I refuse to attack anothers religion here.

    As to us fighting China. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't read into Revelation what a lot of fantics do. I know of at least two religions that base their whole concept of Christianity on Revelation. I don't get it. Sometimes I wonder if it's not more about money and power than it is about love and forgiveness. A simple message turned into a cult.

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