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    Donít trust your hardware: Why security vulnerabilities affect us all

    Something that will make you think about upgrading...

    https://theconversation.com/dont-tru...-us-all-105773

    https://www.ept.ca/2018/11/dont-trus...mpaign=181116R

    Scary? Your thoughts...

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    Probably my one and only real concern is having my financial information compromised. Other than that I'm not too concerned if someone is watching me. If they want to know I visit SG, view the NYTimes, visit a bicycling forum or surf CL they're more than welcome to let my computer habits bore them to death. I've always treated everything I do on the internet as being public domain and lived with the expectation that it would or could, one day be used against me.

    I do look forward to a day when total anonymity can be achieved and that our personal info is OUR info, but I'm not counting on that happening anytime soon.

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    Not as much affect on private citizens, except perhaps selling your habits to advertisers. The more concern would be the servers for the companies like Apple, MS, communications (cell phones), banks, stock markets, fuel, electric and such. Potentially wide spread impact on basically everyone...

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    They have found a bunch of spectre/meltdown style hacks now. Since its a new area that people are looking in they will find more.

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    It is frightening.....the way things are with tech hardware, the vast majority of hardware is comprised of a high percentage of components made overseas in Asia.

    So thing about that Trojan Horse! Not just servers, not just computers, not just switches and firewalls and routers, not just cell phones, but hey..all of these IoT devices now! Smart TVs, smart fridges, alarm systems, camera systems, home automation, game systems, etc etc etc. Everything communicates these days. So many things connect to the internet.

    Much like Easto...I'm not so much concerned about "my" personal usage being spied on. So I cruise a couple of tech forums and boating forums, Facebook, CraigsList, a few real estate sites, and a porn site or two...whoopie-do!
    But the concept of "so many things made in China being online all at once". Just think about it. A few years ago on a much smaller scale we saw a DDoS attack against DNS servers cripple the internet in the US. It was launched from security camera NVRs that were made on the same motherboard (so many brands)...and it had a back door that was exploited.

    Heard of "NetBot Armies"? So far..the term has mostly been used for malware that gets installed on PCs...and can phone home to a command center and await instructions to do something. Well...we now have hardware that can be used in that same concept. And lots of it!

    As well as be installed behind firewalls of businesses...and can be used like a remote proxy to gain access to server rooms, steal corporate tech, etc.

    The possibilities are far and wide.....we'll soon find out just how bad it will be.
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    Honestly, I think the expectation of any privacy is ridiculous. Once my doctor's servers are hacked everyone will know I had major surgery 11 years ago. That will never go away and that information will probably be for sale in an "Easto" bundle somewhere. Hell, I know the grocery store is keeping track, each time I get my receipt it is offering me discounts on several of the things I bought the previous week.

    The increase in the IoT just gives these companies more ways to monitor your experience with their product. The only Wifi enabled IoT item that we have is our thermostat. I'm pretty sure that it is reporting to the mothership in one way or another. But I really don't care. I find the advantages of owning and operating some of these things to far outweigh the disadvantages.

    But, not to get too off topic... I do see how these IoT exploits can and probably will turn against us at one point or another. But, I can only do my best to stay updated, informed and monitor the things around me to the best of my ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easto View Post
    Honestly, I think the expectation of any privacy is ridiculous. Once my doctor's servers are hacked everyone will know I had major surgery 11 years ago. That will never go away and that information will probably be for sale in an "Easto" bundle somewhere. Hell, I know the grocery store is keeping track, each time I get my receipt it is offering me discounts on several of the things I bought the previous week.

    The increase in the IoT just gives these companies more ways to monitor your experience with their product. The only Wifi enabled IoT item that we have is our thermostat. I'm pretty sure that it is reporting to the mothership in one way or another. But I really don't care. I find the advantages of owning and operating some of these things to far outweigh the disadvantages. .
    I don't think that's the stuff that bothers most people...and certainly wasn't my point agove. Yes..there are some tin foil hat people that worry about their shopping habits being exposed, or them having surgery 11 years ago. But I'd say the majority of us aren't afraid of that.

    But...your doctors offices network getting malware that can harvest information and send it home...information such as your social security number, insurance info..and sold on the black markets. How about banks? What evil could happen once peoples bank account numbers and logins are harvested and sold on the black market?

    How about trojan horsed equipment put into our countries major infrastructure networks...such as electric companies that manage power grids?

    Or put into networks of our defense contractors? So they keep up on information about our stealth technology for our planes, or our submarines routes or current locations? Or trojans in the networks of our missile defense systems?

    The Stock Market systems?

    Even down to the lowly residential networks in homes...capturing your logins to secure sites (oh yeah...can be done via MIM https tricks)...identity theft and other bad things.
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    Lots of bad results can happen if Dr. offices are hacked. What if they change your records, so you are given meds that you are allergic to, as just an example...

    OH, as a side note, one of our special members had a sex change operation 11 years ago, anyone care to guess who? LMAO!!!!

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