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    On of our grandkids (14 y/o boy) took a Sony Walkman to school and the teacher gave him one of those phony printed awards for being "Musically Eclectic". I mean, when I was 14 and if I took a radio to school it would have been taken from me for having it on school grounds. Now you get a freakin' award for it?

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    If you were "musically eclectic" you'd understand.

    jk, lol.

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    In my day if you had a walkman in class they would summon the counselor who would do a bunch of pointless test then declare you had an attention deficit disorder and pump you full of drugs. Ah those were the days.

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    When I went to school at 14 we made am radios out of wire, nails and a block of wood!
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    When I went out of school they'd just take it, and make your parent go get it from the school.

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    And now they give you an award.

    I really don't get it. My wife brings home a few of the grand kid's awards and they just crack me up. They hand these things out for the most basic, expected behavior. The only awards (reward) I got when I was in elementary school was the privileged of making it to the next grade.

    I remember about 25 years ago a couple of my friends graduated from law school and had passed the bar examination. They were both close friends of mine and they new my father who was an attorney and wanted to come over and let him know what they had accomplished. They walked in and after greeting my dad they announced that they had both passed the bar examination on their first attempt. My dad replied "What's so hard about that?". Cracked me up big time.

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    The one constant in this universe, is grumpy old men complaining about kids these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    The one constant in this universe, is grumpy old men complaining about kids these days.
    It's one of the pleasures of getting older. LOL

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    F that boom boxes, playing grand master flash....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty View Post
    F that boom boxes, playing grand master flash....

    Yup, back in high school boom boxes were still the rage. The first Sony Walkmans...those big ones that opened up like a giant clamshell, with the orange foam on the ear piece covered headphones...they just came out at the end of high school.

    But that was back when teachers and staff still had control of the students, and were allowed to discipline and maintain order and ensure students had respect for rules, class, etc. I went to a pretty big high school, over 1200 students maybe more, I don't ever recall a problem with walkmans...you'd see some of the students rich enough to have a walkman listen to it on the bus. Never a problem in class...we knew better than to abuse or push rules. Worst thing that would have probably happened..it would be taken away and given back at the end of the day, you'd probably have to had to go to the principles (deans) office to get it back, and receive a lecturing when you did. Possibly a detention (likely after multiple infractions).
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    When I was in 9th grade (1970), if you goofed of during gym class you might get some "swats". Yes, the gym teacher had a cricket styled bat and if you were out of line you ended up having to bend over and grab your ankles. Granted, it didn't happen often. I think I only knew of 3 or 4 guys that it happened to. But I have to tell you, just the thought of it kept you in line. Nowadays, parents would have that teacher in prison. It seems that parents nowadays want to blame their kids bad behavior on everyone except themselves. I mean why shouldn't they, they're all such great parents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easto View Post
    When I was in 9th grade (1970), if you goofed of during gym class you might get some "swats". Yes, the gym teacher had a cricket styled bat and if you were out of line you ended up having to bend over and grab your ankles. Granted, it didn't happen often. I think I only knew of 3 or 4 guys that it happened to. But I have to tell you, just the thought of it kept you in line. Nowadays, parents would have that teacher in prison. It seems that parents nowadays want to blame their kids bad behavior on everyone except themselves. I mean why shouldn't they, they're all such great parents!
    I think if a parent doesn't want some teacher hitting their kids with a wood bat then they should have that choice and the school should respect that choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    I think if a parent doesn't want some teacher hitting their kids with a wood bat then they should have that choice and the school should respect that choice.
    I don't remember any parents coming to school to complain about their kid getting swats. No teachers were ever pulled into court. It was pretty much acknowledged by all that the kid probably deserved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easto View Post
    I don't remember any parents coming to school to complain about their kid getting swats. No teachers were ever pulled into court. It was pretty much acknowledged by all that the kid probably deserved it.
    Not really the point, also just because you don't remember it that does not mean it didn't happen. If you have to beat your kids with a wooden bat to make them behave then there is something seriously wrong with how that kid is being raised.
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    Teachers and whatnot should not be hitting kids, period. It is not their place to make such decisions and the idea that you need to use a bat on kids to make them behave is just stupid. If I ever see someone hitting a kid with a bat, not only will I call the police, but I will also crack that bat over their head. Open hand swat on the behind is one thing, but a bat is going too far.
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    I think the opposite - teachers should have more power to discipline students to curb behavior that is detrimental to the entire class learning process. I've seen too many students disrespect teachers (and even college professors) and completely botching the class learning environment for everyone. I've seen students on their phones, eating pizza in class, putting their feet on top of the desk, walking in class without shoes, and general disruptive/offensive behavior, etc.

    I am not condoning abusive behavior and hitting kids with bats, however, some form of corporal punishment as a deterrent may be less abusive than filling unrully tweens full of anti-ADHD drugs.. Also, teachers should have more academic and professional freedom to actually create and enforce productive environment in their classes.

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    God knows that when I was in middle school someone should have taught me a hard lesson. Just the fear of getting a swat kept me from crossing the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easto View Post
    God knows that when I was in middle school someone should have taught me a hard lesson. Just the fear of getting a swat kept me from crossing the line.
    Yup, we learned to respect adults, and follow rules. Those things have become extinct these days with entitled kids that can do no wrong, parents yelling at teachers demanding they let kids do whatever kids want to do.

    Decades ago a kid that acted up a lot was simply a troublemaker. Weren't really a lot of them, but thanks to social media these days we can see how well (or really..how poorly) those people are doing in their adult lives (it's usually not good). Thanks to rules and discipline, "most" kids adjusted and learned how to behave properly.

    These days, with ZERO accountability, lack of discipline being allowed, teachers fearing for their jobs if they try to enforce order in their class, kids do whatever they want, and a large percentage of them get put on drugs for ADD/ADHD. Results in kids that were so spoiled and had everything done for them, when they get to adult age and try to make it on their own, if they even manage to move out from mommy and daddys home they often boomerang back home. Yeah...real life does require working hard and taking ownership of things and following rules and stuff like that. It's such a shock to them when things don't get handed to them or go as they "want".
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    I just don't see why they hand out all these awards to kids at school all the time. It's not that getting one of these is so rare. I mean, each month they come home with something saying they were a good citizen or they brought something in to share with others. When I was in school it was called "sharing day", you didn't get a freakin' award for it!

    The other thing that I don't understand is this new procedure of bringing grief counselors on campus every time something goes wrong at school. Isn't that what a parent should be doing? Shouldn't the parent be mature and intelligent enough to explain to their kid (on their own level) what just happened? If there does seem to be more of a problem then the "Parent" gets them to counseling, not the school.

    About moving in back with your parents. When I was 30 years old I started my first business. In order to pump as much money back into that business I asked my parents if it was ok to move back in for 1 year. Although they were more than happy to help out, after about 2 months of living there I was dying to get out. I gutted it out for almost a year but I have to say I was never happier to move back into my own place. I just don't see how you can move back in with your parents and not have it drive you crazy. What ever happened to being your own person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easto View Post
    I just don't see why they hand out all these awards to kids at school all the time. It's not that getting one of these is so rare. I mean, each month they come home with something saying they were a good citizen or they brought something in to share with others. When I was in school it was called "sharing day", you didn't get a freakin' award for it!

    The other thing that I don't understand is this new procedure of bringing grief counselors on campus every time something goes wrong at school. Isn't that what a parent should be doing? Shouldn't the parent be mature and intelligent enough to explain to their kid (on their own level) what just happened? If there does seem to be more of a problem then the "Parent" gets them to counseling, not the school.
    Yup.."pamper"..."it's al-right"..."it'll be O-K...." I'll fix it for you. Now parents call the school to scold the teacher for telling their little boy to take his hat off during class, because the school rules say no hats. Yet..parents tell the teacher "but my kid was just wearing a hat, he likes to wear a hat!".
    Awards for what should be common place things like sharing?
    Competition isn't taught anymore. Now everyone on the team gets a trophy for participating. How does that teach a kid how to succeed in life if the kid doesn't learn to work extra hard, and overcome a loss?
    Safe Places! Except...in real life, in the real world...you don't have safe places. In order to deal with things or get through them, you need to roll up your sleeves, work hard, and get through it! But that's not taught these days, they'd rather give a safe place and hug the kids and say "That's ok..it's be ok..we'll take care of it for you...".
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