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    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    Now this statement I definitely need something to back it up. Or is this going too far off topic?




    I didn't think we were talking about violent crime. I have some stats of my own in regard to violent crime but they don't belong in this thread. And judging by your sig line, I don't think you'd like them much.

    " And judging by your sig line, I don't think you'd like them much."

    For what it says, or for who said it?
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    Never thought I would ever have to prove men are more aggressive than women, but any ways,


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ale-aggression

    "In almost every society men are the ones who are overwhelmingly involved in wars, in all kinds of intergroup aggressions and intragroup homicide; they mobilize themselves in armies of violent fans, in criminal gangs, in bands of thugs, etc."
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    It seems to me, that we should worry more about a man starting a war, than a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    It seems to me, that we should worry more about a man starting a war, than a woman.
    Did you really just put that into print?

    You did, I have it quoted.

    Does it actually matter how or by whom a war is started??! You have GOT to be joking.

    Easily one of the most absurd things I've seen anyone say on any board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    Did you really just put that into print?

    You did, I have it quoted.

    Does it actually matter how or by whom a war is started??! You have GOT to be joking.

    Easily one of the most absurd things I've seen anyone say on any board.
    Men are naturally more aggressive, and have historically had a greater role in wars than women. There is no shame is stating the truth; the shame would be in trying to pretend it is not true.

    Feel free to quote me all you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    And I feel that is a pattern we need to break.
    In countries where you have multiple parties fighting to get into Congress (some countries in eastern Europe had as many as 50 different partites in the same elections), you end up not knowing who you are voting for, and they all make coalitions with each other in order to get anything done, it's a huge mess as well. I can't imagine having 50 presidential candidates try to debate, even if there are multiple rounds/primaries they'd have to toss electoral votes to each other, trade favors etc. even more under the table than it is now.

    As far as men vs. women for president, and their emotional state/capacity... I'd say we have to look beyond gender/race/religious generalizations and recognize each candidate for who they are. For a democratic country, we are one of the few that has never elected a woman president (not implying we should pick that particular one). Even countries like Pakistan have had a woman as a leader...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip View Post
    In countries where you have multiple parties fighting to get into Congress (some countries in eastern Europe had as many as 50 different partites in the same elections), you end up not knowing who you are voting for, and they all make coalitions with each other in order to get anything done, it's a huge mess as well. I can't imagine having 50 presidential candidates try to debate, even if there are multiple rounds/primaries they'd have to toss electoral votes to each other, trade favors etc. even more under the table than it is now.

    As far as men vs. women for president, and their emotional state/capacity... I'd say we have to look beyond gender/race/religious generalizations and recognize each candidate for who they are. For a democratic country, we are one of the few that has never elected a woman president (not implying we should pick that particular one). Even countries like Pakistan have had a woman as a leader...
    Maybe 50 is too many, but 2 is not enough.
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    While I support your opinion that two may be too few.. With multiple parties, they end up making coalitions (open or hidden) with each other to simply gain majority and outmaneuver the other parties. Those coalitions can happen even after elections, ending up taking away from voters' will and putting more power into politicians' reach. It can also obscure who you are actually voting for. Of course "too many" and "too few" can be argued.

    On a speculative note, I imagine the first to split would be the Republican and Tea Party, essentially positioning the Republican party as a central party in the elections, capturing more of the independent vote. They'd then be forced to enter into a coalition with the Tea Party in order to gain majority in Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip View Post
    In countries where you have multiple parties fighting to get into Congress (some countries in eastern Europe had as many as 50 different partites in the same elections), you end up not knowing who you are voting for, and they all make coalitions with each other in order to get anything done, it's a huge mess as well. I can't imagine having 50 presidential candidates try to debate, even if there are multiple rounds/primaries they'd have to toss electoral votes to each other, trade favors etc. even more under the table than it is now.

    As far as men vs. women for president, and their emotional state/capacity... I'd say we have to look beyond gender/race/religious generalizations and recognize each candidate for who they are. For a democratic country, we are one of the few that has never elected a woman president (not implying we should pick that particular one). Even countries like Pakistan have had a woman as a leader...
    "I'd say we have to look beyond gender/race/religious generalizations and recognize each candidate for who they are."

    I just wanted to come back to this point. Our individual goal should be to be as objective as possible, but we still need to realize that gender/race/religion will impact the votes, will impact people's perception of the candidate and will have an influence on Americans once elected. And I think considering these influences is part of considering the candidate.

    While being female may not be a good reason to elect Hillary, we do need to focus on ending the white male dominance of American politics and get more women into the higher offices, including President of the United States. This standard of white male Christians has gone on too long, and hinders potential minority leaders who could be much better at the job, which in turn is a disadvantage to us, the American people.
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    Everyone should be held to the same standards imho.. and religion should stay far from politics all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip View Post
    Everyone should be held to the same standards imho.. and religion should stay far from politics all together.
    I am not disagreeing with that, I am simply saying we can't pretend these factors have no influence in our politics. People vote not just for political alignment, but also for race, gender and most certainly religious alignment. Race, gender, religion, and politics are all linked in America and if we want to understand politics we need to understand how they interact.

    At any rate, I am not suggesting having different standards for female candidates, I am suggesting equal standards; which at this time, they don't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    There are SO MANY replies here that I could quote and dissect, so in the interest of keeping it somewhat brief....

    Our 2 choices for the next leader of the country are almost as bad as the '08 choices. Almost. Killery is an Ovomit puppet, and electing her would only exacerbate the horrific state of the nation thanks to that treasonous filth who squats in our White House now. She is a criminal, plain and simple, and has zero business even throwing her hat in the ring. I can not wrap my mind around why the Feds haven't arrested her and charged her with the numerous crimes she's committed, ever since Watergate.



    I got as far as this and would like to point out it's this kind of person that Trump caters too. One who has believed EVERY single thing he's heard about the Clinton's/Obama's/Democrats/Liberals/ and all the hate rhetoric associated with it. If you want a scapegoat for why Trump you only have to look to the RNC, Teaparty, Fox News and hate radio. Serious..........

    Crimes committed since Watergate huh . Lets see ....... they got married in 74 I believe. The year Nixon resigned.. I rest my case.......
    The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, and prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children and the children yet unborn and the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downhill View Post
    I got as far as this and would like to point out it's this kind of person that Trump caters too. One who has believed EVERY single thing he's heard about the Clinton's/Obama's/Democrats/Liberals/ and all the hate rhetoric associated with it. If you want a scapegoat for why Trump you only have to look to the RNC, Teaparty, Fox News and hate radio. Serious..........

    Crimes committed since Watergate huh . Lets see ....... they got married in 74 I believe. The year Nixon resigned.. I rest my case.......
    Ahh.....my first liberal.

    The operative word there is "since". There have been countless crimes committed by that evil sub-human for decades. But, you're a liberal, so I know you'll keep drinking the Kool Aid and will ignore facts.

    The liberal war-cry" "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with the facts."

    If I've learned one thing in politics, it is that nothing I say will ever cause one of you types to even consider a different point of view; there is no point in any further discourse between us, so I'm going to save myself the aggravation and do what I do with all of your kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    Ahh.....my first liberal.

    The operative word there is "since". There have been countless crimes committed by that evil sub-human for decades. But, you're a liberal, so I know you'll keep drinking the Kool Aid and will ignore facts.

    The liberal war-cry" "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with the facts."

    If I've learned one thing in politics, it is that nothing I say will ever cause one of you types to even consider a different point of view; there is no point in any further discourse between us, so I'm going to save myself the aggravation and do what I do with all of your kind.
    "The liberal war-cry" "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with the facts."

    Bit of a hypocritical point. I mean, considering your earlier reply to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    [. . .] in your opinion. [. . .] that is simply not true in my opinion. And in my experience.
    But even though I don't agree with your opinion, I will fight to the death for your right to have and speak it.
    Plato talks about two types of people in The Republic, there are lovers of opinion and lovers of truth. As far as I am concern that is all this right left wing nonsense is, the truth is somewhere in the middle, but most people love opinion more than truth so they lean to the sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    Ahh.....my first liberal.

    The operative word there is "since". There have been countless crimes committed by that evil sub-human for decades. But, you're a liberal, so I know you'll keep drinking the Kool Aid and will ignore facts.

    The liberal war-cry" "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with the facts."

    If I've learned one thing in politics, it is that nothing I say will ever cause one of you types to even consider a different point of view; there is no point in any further discourse between us, so I'm going to save myself the aggravation and do what I do with all of your kind.
    Not your first.

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    So it looks like he is changing his mind about how best to handle illegal immigrates. Maybe he starting to realize that is not just as simple as round them all up and deport them.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...flip-flop-yet/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syklops View Post
    Ahh.....my first liberal.

    The operative word there is "since". There have been countless crimes committed by that evil sub-human for decades. But, you're a liberal, so I know you'll keep drinking the Kool Aid and will ignore facts.

    The liberal war-cry" "I have my opinion, don't confuse me with the facts."

    If I've learned one thing in politics, it is that nothing I say will ever cause one of you types to even consider a different point of view; there is no point in any further discourse between us, so I'm going to save myself the aggravation and do what I do with all of your kind.


    Yeah we sure wouldn't want "facts" and truth to confuse the issues would we? You types.. laughs
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    . As far as I am concern that is all this right left wing nonsense is, the truth is somewhere in the middle, but most people love opinion more than truth so they lean to the sides.
    You got that right.....it's gotten so bad, both sides are so extreme with lies and mudslinging...it's insane. The truth generally is around the middle of two extreme sides. or actually..the truth is a million miles away, either side here...left, or right, doesn't give a rats arse about the truth.
    Which is why I prefer to see occasional changing of parties at the helm...keeps things properly centered and healthy over the long course. Except in recent times....as each side, left and right, has gotten too extreme.

    And this candidacy race...just multiplies the extreme sides by a factor of a kajillion. The cool-aid drinking sheeple on either side refuse to acknowledge it. This years election is a flat out embarrassment for our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
    You got that right.....it's gotten so bad, both sides are so extreme with lies and mudslinging...it's insane. The truth generally is around the middle of two extreme sides. or actually..the truth is a million miles away, either side here...left, or right, doesn't give a rats arse about the truth.
    Which is why I prefer to see occasional changing of parties at the helm...keeps things properly centered and healthy over the long course. Except in recent times....as each side, left and right, has gotten too extreme.

    And this candidacy race...just multiplies the extreme sides by a factor of a kajillion. The cool-aid drinking sheeple on either side refuse to acknowledge it. This years election is a flat out embarrassment for our country.
    yep ! there needs to be a new political party,I want to call it "republicrat".

    I like a little from both camps.

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    If he is elected the world see hatred and get destroyed.He should not be elected

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