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    America's College Promise proposal

    Today the President is unveiling the Americaís College Promise proposal to make two years of community college free for responsible students, letting students earn the first half of a bachelorís degree and earn skills needed in the workforce at no cost. This proposal will require everyone to do their part: community colleges must strengthen their programs and increase the number of students who graduate, states must invest more in higher education and training, and students must take responsibility for their education, earn good grades, and stay on track to graduate. The program would be undertaken in partnership with states and is inspired by new programs in Tennessee and Chicago. If all states participate, an estimated 9 million students could benefit. A full-time community college student could save an average of $3,800 in tuition per year.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...roposal-tuitio

    What do you all think of this proposal? I think it is a good thing. I feel that the requirements should be a little higher than a 2.5 gpa. A student does not even have to try to get a 2.5 gpa. But I have always felt that basic education should include more schooling than what our high school do.
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    The question will be, will this investment in education payoff in tax revenue in the future. I would like to see it happen. My fear would be, who gets taxed and how much to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    The question will be, will this investment in education payoff in tax revenue in the future. I would like to see it happen. My fear would be, who gets taxed and how much to pay for it.
    I am in the same boat (opinion-wise). The core idea, just like that of universal health care, will receive very little argument from any non-sociopathic person.

    However, the debate arises when it comes to how it's executed. Government has this awful tendency to take a great idea and eff it up to the point where the spirit of the idea is either lost entirely or is a half-assed mockery of what it was supposed to be.
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    screw this crap ! I already pay out of every paycheck for OTHER people's healthcare,I shouldn't have to pay for other people's college costs too ! I work hard to support myself and my family,everyone else should do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    screw this crap ! I already pay out of every paycheck for OTHER people's healthcare,I shouldn't have to pay for other people's college costs too ! I work hard to support myself and my family,everyone else should do the same.
    Does this mean I get my money back I paid for my college?

    PAY FOR YOUR OWN COLLEGE YOU GREEDY BASTARDS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyOneDoofy View Post
    Does this mean I get my money back I paid for my college?

    PAY FOR YOUR OWN COLLEGE YOU GREEDY BASTARDS!!!
    LOL hell yes ! good idea !

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    Basically, don't go having kids that you can't support. Hell, I'm paying for kids lunches in elementary school because they have parents that can't even afford to feed them breakfast before school or pack them a lunch. STOP HAVING KIDS you can't take care of!

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    Another move toward socialism for America.
    What to know whey there was a big push for getting a high school diploma in the post WW2 era? And why it laws were made to keep kids in school until the age of 17-18? It was to reduce the amount of people in the work force. There just were not enough available jobs. Keeping people in schools contributed to post war prosperity. Prior to WW2 the percentage of high school graduates was much much lower. Many left school and went to work because they had to, their families needed the income.

    Free associates degree will put more people into continued education and out of the work force. And who pays for it? Not me I hope.

    Going to college just to get a degree or to "find out what you want to do in life" is a waste for all concerned. One should know ahead of time what one's calling is or what profession one wants to pursue.

    I did a year of community college in 1975. It was a joke. I aced my courses without ever opening a book. In fact, the biology class used the same textbook I had in 8th grade, yet the class was difficult for some students. I have witnessed the "dumbing down of America" and I can state with near absolute certainty that putting more youth into community colleges will not result in more literate and brighter, contributing members of society. The result will likely be a greater number of youth that think they deserve jobs because they have a sheepskin, and they will have a wake up call when they discover that the world does not work that way. But some will benefit from it and pursue higher educational goals. I just don't want to foot their bill!
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    Well for the school news I am suppose to write an article about it. There are two reporters assigned to it. One to write why it is a good thing and the other to write why it is a bad thing. I am taking the side of why it is a good thing. So I'll try to find out more about the funding; which seems to be the main concern here.
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    Anyone able to dig anything up (from a creditable source) on the cost? All I can determine so far is the over all cost and that it will be included in the budget sent congress and that it may be sometime before we (the people) hear anything about it.
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    Aren't they jacking up taxes on corporations to essentially fund this?

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    I think that is an assumption some people are making. I can't print an assumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    screw this crap ! I already pay out of every paycheck for OTHER people's healthcare,I shouldn't have to pay for other people's college costs too ! I work hard to support myself and my family,everyone else should do the same.
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    Ok I am going to post my pro article before I submit it. This is a rough draft so there may be grammatical errors ( I am too tired and hungry to check atm.) Appreciate any thoughts shared.

    In 2012 71% of graduating four years students have loan debt. The average debt of student loan for graduating seniors in 2012 rose to 29,400. That is a 25% increase from 2008. It is estimated that by 2020 35% of jobs will require at lead a bachelorís degree and 30% will need some college or an associateís degree. To help meet this rising trends President Obama has purposed a plan to give tuition free community college for dedicated students for the first two years. An estimated 9 million students could benefit from this. And a full-time community college student could save a predicted 3,800 per year.

    There is a growing need to reduce student debt as it climbs higher and higher, but the main concern of the purposed plan is the cost. The cost of which was included in the presidentís 2015 purposed budget presented to the congress. While we have to wait to see how it will impact the budget we can take a look at the impact more opportunities for college degrees creates for aspiring Americans.

    According to National Center for Education Statistics in 2013 unemployment rate for young adults was 29.25 for those that did not finish high school. 17.5 for those whose highest education is high school. 12.2% for those that had some college and 7 for those with at least a bachelorís degree. In 2012 the median earnings of young adults with a bachelorís degree was $46,900. $30,000 for those with no education higher than high school and only 22,900 for those without high school credentials.
    If we look at MITís Living Wage Calculation for our Flathead County (livingwage.mit.edu) we can see how much it cost to raise a family here. To cover common monthly expense one adult with one child would need to earn an annual income after taxes of $31,140. That means to stay above a poverty wage a single adult supporting one child needs to earn $17.16 per hours with a full-time job. A household with 2 adults and one child needs an annual income of $27,756 after taxes or a wage of $15.29. We can see that those with only one child to feed will have a hard time getting by with only a high school degree.

    While tuition free community college could cause an increase in state and federal expenses, the pay out to the students (the new moms and dads of the United States) is substantial. Even just two years of college would create more job opportunities and higher wages in an economy with rising student debt and cost of living.
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    As a whole it's a solid piece, but if I had it in print with a red pen there'd be a lot of red ink.
    Over a dozen typos and grammatical errors (I know you warned us and have been a tired writer myself, all good).
    Wrong words, unused hyphens, missing % signs, sentence fragments.

    When is this due?
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    *More taxes...and of course, a "fatter government" because they will feel they need a branch to manage this. Naturally the larger percentage of these funds goes to fatten the pockets of those gov't staff in this brand to manage it. Very small percentage will actually make it to tuitions for the kids.

    *Community colleges are for the most part...pretty poor as they are now. Many are down to the level of good junior high schools/middle schools in good school districts. The rest are hovering decent high school levels. Making them "public funded" to this scale will only worsen that....

    *...thus turning the "community college 2 yr diploma" to be the equiv of a GED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
    *More taxes...and of course, a "fatter government" because they will feel they need a branch to manage this. Naturally the larger percentage of these funds goes to fatten the pockets of those govt staff in this brand to manage it.
    What he said.

    Coming from inside the government, I've seen this happen like the division of cancer cells.

    *pulls up to drive-up window* "Double size me and triple the taxes!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easto View Post
    Basically, don't go having kids that you can't support. Hell, I'm paying for kids lunches in elementary school because they have parents that can't even afford to feed them breakfast before school or pack them a lunch. STOP HAVING KIDS you can't take care of!

    It's not that they can't afford to, it's why should they when the Dept. of Feducation will do it for them.

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    It's easy to judge an individual or family and what the perceived situation is. I am a firm believer in the help thy neighbor mentality. Look at how much money is wasted on wars and other BS and then let me know how you REALLY feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humboldt View Post
    As a whole it's a solid piece, but if I had it in print with a red pen there'd be a lot of red ink.
    Over a dozen typos and grammatical errors (I know you warned us and have been a tired writer myself, all good).
    Wrong words, unused hyphens, missing % signs, sentence fragments.

    When is this due?
    It is due by the 6th of feb.
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