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    Occupy Wall Street

    People have had enough...

    http://www.dnainfo.com/20111005/down...what-they-want

    Michael Moore last night...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYnoOpLYAE


    It is even going on in Israel.



    half a million protesters against the economic&political system - and that in a country of 7 million inhabitants.
    Jews, Arabs, Foreign workers, Refugees and students marched together chanting "The People demand social justice". ~ Julian Feder, Tel Aviv Israel
    We are living in historical times. Change is in the air. More to come...
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    they are going to do it here in Sacramento today

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    Their not going to listen to anything we have to say. Their on wall street and the white house looking at all that is going on and thinking "pshhh who the hell are you? we'll do what we want" while they hand us a crock of crap! I say send a petition around the net to be signed to Abolish and let the taxpayer run the country.

    After all 2 thirds vote makes things happen in congress so im sure that a 100% vote from the people should get the looser's out of office and give it back to us!
    Every position should have a term limit to keep government from being too big, that's the problem now, their like a bunch of spoiled kids fighting and blaming each other's partiy for everything when in fact it's all of them and this administration will lead us to our Doom.

    I have nothing against other people around the world we are ALL God's children but, we needed imagrant's 200 years ago in order to form a nation and make it grow and everyone chipped in, NOW we do not need it. What we need is for washington to realize who is in charge WE THE PEOPLE are.

    Ok my rant is over i just feel like my time in the service was for nothing. Ass's.
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    I just think its a pure waste of time..instead of camping out and trashing the area these people could do more good by walking around picking up trash and cleaning up the city or cities... Can't wait to see them all camped out under a foot of snow in NY like a bunch of idiots.

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    It makes no sense, they name it Occupy Wall Street but they are complaining about the government, they are two different entities. While I agree they their hands in each others pockets, targeting Wall Street while complaining about too much government power is ridiculous.

    Have you heard about the group called the Tea Party? They are actually targeting the government about the topics you are complaining about. You don't like what's going on, then vote against Obama in 2012. Yes we Cain........ vote for Herman Cain if you want REAL change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52 View Post
    It makes no sense, they name it Occupy Wall Street but they are complaining about the government, they are two different entities. While I agree they their hands in each others pockets, targeting Wall Street while complaining about too much government power is ridiculous.

    Have you heard about the group called the Tea Party? They are actually targeting the government about the topics you are complaining about. You don't like what's going on, then vote against Obama in 2012. Yes we Cain........ vote for Herman Cain if you want REAL change.
    Cain is just as big of an idiot.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...87-503544.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sava700 View Post
    I just think its a pure waste of time..instead of camping out and trashing the area these people could do more good by walking around picking up trash and cleaning up the city or cities... Can't wait to see them all camped out under a foot of snow in NY like a bunch of idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie View Post

    1st gal deserted her 2 jobs

    2nd guy "who cares if I don't have a job"

    3rd guy---if there wasn't a corporation http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/our_s...rate_Info.html he wouldn't have had a job to begin with...........

    Seriously?

    Oh I get it now, they're mad because they took out a loan and someone wants them to pay it back...........silly me for being so aversive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisinCain View Post
    LMAO, no, he's exactly right. These protesters are out there essentially wanting socialism, they want the "share the wealth", signs stating "Capitalism is Organized Crime", Capitalism is what makes this country great, it gives us all the opportunity to be whatever we want to be, as rich as we want, the opportunities are there for the taking. Herman Cain is a prime example of making something of yourself, he came from nothing, a poor family that worked hard and had morals and ethics and look what he has done.

    A lot of you are mourning Steve Jobs...... guess what, he is Capitalism at it's best, if he would have lived in Germany there would have been no Apple....... it's what make's America great. Why in the world do you think people from all over the world want to come here? Because of the opportunities they have here. Maybe these protesters would be better off looking for a job and working hard instead expecting the government to take care of them...... wait a minute, they are complaining about too much government but expecting the government to "share the wealth"..... can't have it both ways....... bunch of morons.

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    So the government bails out Wall Street and the banks and you have Enron, Fannie & Freddy, etc. and you don't expect people to be pissed? Hell yeah I want my share of the "wealth". It's typical that all of these fat cats are always so smug about this kind of situation (yes politicians are just as much a "fat cat" as the corporate leaders- where do you think a lot of their $$ comes from).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisinCain View Post
    So the government bails out Wall Street and the banks and you have Enron, Fannie & Freddy, etc. and you don't expect people to be pissed? Hell yeah I want my share of the "wealth". It's typical that all of these fat cats are always so smug about this kind of situation (yes politicians are just as much a "fat cat" as the corporate leaders- where do you think a lot of their $$ comes from).
    "Your share of the wealth", what did you do to earn it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisinCain View Post
    So the government bails out Wall Street and the banks and you have Enron, Fannie & Freddy, etc. and you don't expect people to be pissed? Hell yeah I want my share of the "wealth". It's typical that all of these fat cats are always so smug about this kind of situation (yes politicians are just as much a "fat cat" as the corporate leaders- where do you think a lot of their $$ comes from).
    Great post!

    Social cuts and bank bailouts is total BS and I don't blame people for being pissed off. Time for change is definitely at hand.

    Some more stuff...

    http://occupywallst.org/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Qak...ayer_embedded#!
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    You people are amazing..... yes people should be upset, VERY upset, I am. But this "movement" makes no sense, the people protesting don't even know why they are protesting and are contradicting themselves. You guys are the one's who voted for Obama and he is the one who bailed out everyone, so you are to blame just as much as anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52 View Post
    You people are amazing..... yes people should be upset, VERY upset, I am. But this "movement" makes no sense, the people protesting don't even know why they are protesting and are contradicting themselves. You guys are the one's who voted for Obama and he is the one who bailed out everyone, so you are to blame just as much as anyone else.
    I did not vote for him

    I am just annoyed that they are cutting here and there and bailing out the banks. What really made me angry is that WE paid more taxes last year than General Electric and Exxon. What is wrong with this picture? It has to stop!

    I respect your opinion, but I do have mine. TIME FOR BIG CHANGE! Writing letters to your elected officials doesn't help much. Ride it out. Let's see what results this may or may not bring. Remember, this is not only here. It is going on across the globe.
    Last edited by Debbie; 10-06-11 at 01:54 PM.

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    I just wanted to add that it took revolutions in American History to create change in our country. This is another revolution. JMO.

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    Mnosteele52, I have a honest question: What did the banks do to "earn" the billions of corporate welfare bailouts? Did the CEO's sacrifice their homes, pensions, medical coverage, stock options, jobs or in any way suffer ANY consequence of their criminal malfeasance? And I honestly do believe it was criminal, because if I sell a private person a defective product knowingly, that's fraud. And they knowingly sold defective loans (which should never have been granted in the first place), lied about their junk status, and walked away pocketing bonuses for doing so.

    And you, I and all the other taxpayers here got to pick up the tab. If you or I sold defective products to the US Gov't on a small scale we'd either have to refund them the money or go to jail for fraud, and possibly both. If we do it at the billion dollar level there are zero consequences to either of us and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. Explain how that is equal justice under the law.

    Explain how any of these CEO's or their corporations are allowed within 1000ft (figuratively and literally) of the stock market at this point. They knew this was a Ponzi scheme from start to finish and they went ahead anyways. They failed their ethical and legal responsibilities to their shareholders and depositors from the bottom loan officers all the way to the CEOs.

    So what, exactly, did they do to "earn" our tax money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
    Mnosteele52, I have a honest question: What did the banks do to "earn" the billions of corporate welfare bailouts? Did the CEO's sacrifice their homes, pensions, medical coverage, stock options, jobs or in any way suffer ANY consequence of their criminal malfeasance? And I honestly do believe it was criminal, because if I sell a private person a defective product knowingly, that's fraud. And they knowingly sold defective loans (which should never have been granted in the first place), lied about their junk status, and walked away pocketing bonuses for doing so.

    And you, I and all the other taxpayers here got to pick up the tab. If you or I sold defective products to the US Gov't on a small scale we'd either have to refund them the money or go to jail for fraud, and possibly both. If we do it at the billion dollar level there are zero consequences to either of us and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. Explain how that is equal justice under the law.

    Explain how any of these CEO's or their corporations are allowed within 1000ft (figuratively and literally) of the stock market at this point. They knew this was a Ponzi scheme from start to finish and they went ahead anyways. They failed their ethical and legal responsibilities to their shareholders and depositors from the bottom loan officers all the way to the CEOs.

    So what, exactly, did they do to "earn" our tax money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bouncer View Post
    Mnosteele52, I have a honest question: What did the banks do to "earn" the billions of corporate welfare bailouts? Did the CEO's sacrifice their homes, pensions, medical coverage, stock options, jobs or in any way suffer ANY consequence of their criminal malfeasance? And I honestly do believe it was criminal, because if I sell a private person a defective product knowingly, that's fraud. And they knowingly sold defective loans (which should never have been granted in the first place), lied about their junk status, and walked away pocketing bonuses for doing so.

    And you, I and all the other taxpayers here got to pick up the tab. If you or I sold defective products to the US Gov't on a small scale we'd either have to refund them the money or go to jail for fraud, and possibly both. If we do it at the billion dollar level there are zero consequences to either of us and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. Explain how that is equal justice under the law.

    Explain how any of these CEO's or their corporations are allowed within 1000ft (figuratively and literally) of the stock market at this point. They knew this was a Ponzi scheme from start to finish and they went ahead anyways. They failed their ethical and legal responsibilities to their shareholders and depositors from the bottom loan officers all the way to the CEOs.

    So what, exactly, did they do to "earn" our tax money?

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    Your missing my entire point. I agree with everything you said, 100%. But what these people are protesting makes no sense, on one hand they are carrying signs that say "Capitalism is Organized Crime" and in the same breath they say share the wealth and in the same breath they are saying less government. It doesn't add up, they want the government to intervene but they want less government involvement?? You can't have it both ways. I guarantee you that 99% of these people voted for Obama yet he is the one along with a Democratic controlled Congress at the time, that is guilty of everything they are protesting. They voted for him, the writing was on the wall what kind of president he would be and now they want to blame him?? They need to blame themselves for voting they way they did, Obama and the Democrats approved the bailouts and knew all along what was going to happen yet did it anyway, all of them getting richer in the process, they are all crooks.

    This is why for the past year I have wanted to see Herman Cain get the GOP nomination, he's not a lying cheating politician. He's an honest hard working American that would be REAL CHANGE in Washington.

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    October 5th, 2011 11:58 AM
    Protestors' Message Pretty Simple and Clear: Enough is Enough

    By Donna Smith

    No matter how the media folks seem befuddled by what they claim is a lack of clarity from those at the Occupy Wall Street and its solidarity events throughout the nation, I hear one clear and concise message from them all. I am not speaking for them, but I live where they live in life and in spirit. And there are millions more like me out here. Enough is enough.

    Working people in this nation have always given themselves to a hard day’s work for honest pay at a living wage and decent benefits and modest time off for a brief annual vacation or to stay home sick when needed. But as the decades of assault on the working class have continued from the 1980s forward, workers have had to do more with less both at work and at home and have been expected to be cheerful, even grateful, while doing so. Enough is enough.

    Working class young people and college students who used to have choices about their futures based on their own desires about what they wanted to do as adults and as a their vocations and avocations have now been forced to take on massive debt to attend college or to begin their adult work lives searching for jobs that tens of thousands of unemployed older adults need too. Enough is enough.

    Meanwhile, CEO salaries escalated. Corporate profits skyrocketed. Enough is enough.

    In Washington, D.C., and in the individual states too, politicians of every stripe sought big money donors and promised they’d deliver for those donors – even played the working class voters for fools as they promised them they cared about issues like education and healthcare and housing and clean air and water, public safety and poverty. They didn’t really care about anything except what the big money donors paid them to care about. Enough is enough.

    You took working class sons and daughters to war – sometimes for reasons clearly in your own self interests – and taught them to crave your world view and to see their own families as failures even as you paid them terrible wages and slashed their benefits. You didn’t really care about honor and country. You spoke of love of America and love of soldiers but really loved only one thing over all else: profit, power and privilege and using all means to achieve those things you valued. Enough is enough.

    Meanwhile, the bankers and Wall Street traders speculated and bought and sold everything that could be bought or sold. Richer and richer, more brazen and more broad, the power and control Wall Street interests held over everything and everyone grew exponentially. Real estate loans were made and inflated then dumped. Corporations became people, said the highest court in the land. People became fodder for profit, Wall Street positioned. Most of the politicians nodded in ready appreciation of the power you held over the land – the world. Enough is enough.

    “What are the occupiers’ demands?” ask many in the media and those otherwise paid to be confused by the clarity? The demand is for an end to the near domination of every human endeavor in this nation by the forces on Wall Street and their loyalists in government and elsewhere. Enough is enough.

    Gordon Gecko (and his writers) said it clearly for the Wall Street crowd years ago, “Greed is good.” Even if it was a line in a movie, it was a classic and a rallying cry and solemn prayer for a generation of greedy profiteers. Enough is enough.

    The occupiers on Wall Street and those occupiers in solidarity all over America (and the world) are finally answering, “Greed is not so good. Greed kills. Greed steals homes. Greed steals health. Greed steals future dreams. Greed steals study time. Greed steals time away from building a life, getting married, having babies and someday retiring in dignity. Greed is not good. And the changes of policy and in practice need to occur to reverse the advancement of unbridled greed must be done and done as forcefully and clearly as is possible. Just as you all knew how best to protect and advance the systems for your friends in the greedy 1 percent, you know those policies and practices which would benefit those in the 99 percent. Enough is enough.

    We’ve told you over and over again. We want an equal shot at decent lives -- not a handout or free rides. The working class has never asked for that – but Wall Street lovers sure have. What you’ve given us is no choice but to take to the streets as you’ve closed the hearing rooms and the board rooms and even the break rooms (no worker deserves any breaks do they?). Enough is enough.

    We’ve had to act grateful for crumbs but then you even scooped those crumbs up for yourselves and your Wall Street cronies. We’ve had to act cheerful though every policy decision in favor of the wealthy and powerful few felt like another beating and yet another tamping down of our ability to ever get out of our economic slumps. “Be grateful you even have a job. If you don’t want it, someone else will.” Isn’t that your mantra to us? Pit worker against worker, neighbor against neighbor. Enough is enough.

    Having your crumbs is not enough. Working class people in increasing numbers have absolutely no reserves left upon which to draw. Our wealth was funneled to all of you on Wall Street and your friends. We do not wish to be you. We wish to be fully human and free of your greedy domination. Enough is enough.

    We do not look at you with the wide-eyed stares of those who admire your accomplishments. You squashed people. You stepped on whoever and whatever was in your way to get your wealth and position. We abhor what you represent about the human condition and your desire to prove your superiority. We can see it when you look at us like you might be ill if you have to suffer being in our presence. Enough is enough.

    The demand? Our human dignity back. Our chances to work decent jobs for a living wage with decent benefits in safe workplaces. Our chances to look forward to growing old in a dignified retirement with those we love. Decent homes in safe communities with clean air and water and good schools for our kids. Access to a single standard of high quality healthcare should we get sick or hurt without being forced into bankruptcy. In short, we demand those decencies and common goods a civilized society affords itself through shared effort and funding. Taxing the rich isn’t unfair class warfare, but taxing the working class at a much higher rate to keep the rich happy sure is. Enough is enough.

    For you enough was never and will never be enough. For us, your unwashed masses and the fodder for your profits and continued greed, enough has become enough. Finally.

    Interesting:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zuGT9KE6COw
    Last edited by Debbie; 10-06-11 at 03:18 PM. Reason: Added link to youtube video

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