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  1. #121
    Ari Silverstein
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    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:02:15 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:

    > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:29:09 -0400, Ari Silverstein wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:57:50 -0700 (PDT), Pubkeybreaker wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sep 2, 6:03*pm, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> The best of all worlds is closed source development with entirely
    >>>> competent, trusted individuals which is why the highest level of
    >>>> cryptographic development for the USGov, DoD, DHS and the intertwined
    >>>> military-intelligence Agencies happens behind closed doors. Among
    >>>> their experts and their contracted experts.
    >>>
    >>> And what do you think it is that I do?

    >>
    >> Pick your nose?
    >>
    >> Why don't you tell us then we won't have to guess?

    >
    > Ok, I'll ask again. what is it you do?


    Bob Silverman, a fellow Jew! I loved your music! Dylan admirer!

    <blowing in the wind> great st...

    What? ZIMMERMAN?

    My bad. <eek>

  2. #122
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:13:01 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

    > Who


    SWAT!

    God that was fun. Acting like a nemo-child, takes some getting used to
    though. lol
    --
    ´Looking Above and Beyond the Ramp: A Study of Buffalo Students˙
    Attitudes toward Alternative Modes of Transportation"

  3. #123
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:13:01 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

    > Who


    Nemo proclaimed to the World two days ago:

    "...undoubtedly the path of wisdom. I have instead allowed my
    fascination with morbid psychology to detain me too long with weird
    old Ari. <sic> I agree to killfile him"

    rofl

  4. #124
    Pubkeybreaker
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    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Sep 3, 1:29*am, "Joseph Ashwood" <ashw...@msn.com> wrote:
    > "Mark Murray" <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote in message
    >


    > This is from someone who has been at odds with him on multiple occassions.. I
    > obviously have great respect for him, and more than once I have recommended
    > him to my clients.
    >
    > He is absolutely worth $400 an hour.
    > * * * * * * * * * * Joe


    Thanks for the kind words.

    BTW:

    A typical big city lawyer charges this.

  5. #125
    Pubkeybreaker
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Sep 3, 3:05*am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:29:02 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
    > > "Mark Murray" <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote in message
    > >news:4c7fcd1f$0$2516$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
    > >> On 09/02/10 15:48, Pubkeybreaker wrote:

    >
    > >>> If you want your code vetted, *you can hire me at $400.00/hr. *And I
    > >>> do have both the required software and crypto background.

    >
    > >> Based on the above RSA detail missed, are you really worth $400 an hour?

    >
    > > Yes, he really is. He is a world renowned, world recognised, undeniably
    > > brilliant public key researcher with extensive experience in the research
    > > department of RSA Security. If anything $400/hour is not enough for his
    > > level of capability.

    >
    > > This is from someone who has been at odds with him on multiple occassions. I
    > > obviously have great respect for him, and more than once I have recommended
    > > him to my clients.

    >
    > > He is absolutely worth $400 an hour.
    > > * * * * * * * * * * Joe

    >
    > Damn, Joe, he'd better get $400/hr to pay you for this extra-glorious
    > endorsement. :)
    >
    > I kid.
    >
    > But you might give him a few lessons in following Usenet conversations
    > (who replied to whom) and using a newsreader, dumping Google Groups.


    And *YOU* might do something to reduce both your arrogance and your
    ignorance.

    Did it ever occur to you that I might have to work under certain
    restrictions?

    Did it ever occur to you that someone who works in information
    security for
    a DOD contractor might have such restrictions?

    The answer is obvious: Of course it didn't occur to you.

    I use google groups because it is what I am allowed to access from my
    desk.

  6. #126
    Pubkeybreaker
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Sep 3, 3:16*am, Mark Murray <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote:
    > On 02/09/2010 22:26, Pubkeybreaker wrote:
    >
    > > I miised no detail. I quote what was written:

    >
    > > "PROV_RSA_AES"

    >
    > > This is a bunch of acronyms that have been run together and connected
    > > by underscores. * It is not RSA, * I can read, *Apparently, you can't.

    >
    > I googled the documentation of that service.
    >
    > <quote>
    > The PROV_RSA_AES provider type supports both digital signatures and data
    > encryption. It is considered a general purpose cryptographic service
    > provider (CSP). The RSA public key algorithm is used for all public key
    > operations.
    > </quote>
    >
    > What am I missing?


    Almost everything. The quote you give is so vague as to be almost
    meaningless.

    (1) A provider type is not an algorithm.

    (2) The prior post gave a single key length as if "PROV_RSA_AES" **
    were ** a
    single algorithm. And allow me to point out (pedantically) that a
    provider type is not
    an algorithm and the question was about algorithms. And YES. Such
    distinctions
    do matter when doing engineering code/documentation reviews. Giving
    the name
    of a software object that is unique to a particular implementation is
    not the same as
    specifying an algorithm. "The map is not the territory"

    (3) Saying "supports signatures and encryption" is so vague as to be
    meaningless.
    What kind of signatures? With appendix? Without appendix? Is it
    PKCS-1 compliant?
    Does it use PSS or OAEP? Does it use ASN-1 syntax? etc. etc. etc.
    ad nauseum.


    Do you have any idea as to the degree of pedantry that is required to
    fully vet someone
    else's software?

  7. #127
    Mark Murray
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On 09/03/10 13:02, Pubkeybreaker wrote:
    > Do you have any idea as to the degree of pedantry that is required to
    > fully vet someone else's software?


    Somewhat.

    But I see that this debate has got so far into the splitting hairs
    domain that I suspect we are going to see quarks soon.

    The question "What algorithms do you use?" has been answered by the
    OP (VERY BADLY, I agree) as "RSA for keys and AES for the message",
    without giving any other useful detail.

    M

  8. #128
    unruh
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On 2010-09-03, Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Sep 3, 3:05?am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:29:02 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
    >> > "Mark Murray" <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote in message
    >> >news:4c7fcd1f$0$2516$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
    >> >> On 09/02/10 15:48, Pubkeybreaker wrote:

    >>
    >> >>> If you want your code vetted, ?you can hire me at $400.00/hr. ?And I
    >> >>> do have both the required software and crypto background.

    >>
    >> >> Based on the above RSA detail missed, are you really worth $400 an hour?

    >>
    >> > Yes, he really is. He is a world renowned, world recognised, undeniably
    >> > brilliant public key researcher with extensive experience in the research
    >> > department of RSA Security. If anything $400/hour is not enough for his
    >> > level of capability.

    >>
    >> > This is from someone who has been at odds with him on multiple occassions. I
    >> > obviously have great respect for him, and more than once I have recommended
    >> > him to my clients.

    >>
    >> > He is absolutely worth $400 an hour.
    >> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe

    >>
    >> Damn, Joe, he'd better get $400/hr to pay you for this extra-glorious
    >> endorsement. :)
    >>
    >> I kid.
    >>
    >> But you might give him a few lessons in following Usenet conversations
    >> (who replied to whom) and using a newsreader, dumping Google Groups.

    >
    > And *YOU* might do something to reduce both your arrogance and your
    > ignorance.
    >
    > Did it ever occur to you that I might have to work under certain
    > restrictions?
    >
    > Did it ever occur to you that someone who works in information
    > security for
    > a DOD contractor might have such restrictions?
    >


    I suppose that is possible which would be totally bizare. Googlegroups
    is pretty insecure, so how in the world can they allow you to go through
    them? Besides google has assured us that they data mine the stuff going
    through them. So your contractors do not mind?

    > The answer is obvious: Of course it didn't occur to you.
    >
    > I use google groups because it is what I am allowed to access from my
    > desk.


  9. #129
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 04:52:07 -0700 (PDT), Pubkeybreaker wrote:

    > On Sep 3, 3:05*am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:29:02 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
    >>> "Mark Murray" <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>news:4c7fcd1f$0$2516$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
    >>>> On 09/02/10 15:48, Pubkeybreaker wrote:

    >>
    >>>>> If you want your code vetted, *you can hire me at $400.00/hr. *And I
    >>>>> do have both the required software and crypto background.

    >>
    >>>> Based on the above RSA detail missed, are you really worth $400 an hour?

    >>
    >>> Yes, he really is. He is a world renowned, world recognised, undeniably
    >>> brilliant public key researcher with extensive experience in the research
    >>> department of RSA Security. If anything $400/hour is not enough for his
    >>> level of capability.

    >>
    >>> This is from someone who has been at odds with him on multiple occassions. I
    >>> obviously have great respect for him, and more than once I have recommended
    >>> him to my clients.

    >>
    >>> He is absolutely worth $400 an hour.
    >>> * * * * * * * * * * Joe

    >>
    >> Damn, Joe, he'd better get $400/hr to pay you for this extra-glorious
    >> endorsement. :)
    >>
    >> I kid.
    >>
    >> But you might give him a few lessons in following Usenet conversations
    >> (who replied to whom) and using a newsreader, dumping Google Groups.

    >
    > And *YOU* might do something to reduce both your arrogance and your
    > ignorance.


    I did. I just deleted your post.

    *LOL
    --
    ´Looking Above and Beyond the Ramp: A Study of Buffalo Students˙
    Attitudes toward Alternative Modes of Transportation"

  10. #130
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:38:29 GMT, unruh wrote:

    > On 2010-09-03, Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote:
    >> On Sep 3, 3:05?am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:29:02 -0700, Joseph Ashwood wrote:
    >>> > "Mark Murray" <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> >news:4c7fcd1f$0$2516$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
    >>> >> On 09/02/10 15:48, Pubkeybreaker wrote:
    >>>
    >>> >>> If you want your code vetted, ?you can hire me at $400.00/hr. ?And I
    >>> >>> do have both the required software and crypto background.
    >>>
    >>> >> Based on the above RSA detail missed, are you really worth $400 an hour?
    >>>
    >>> > Yes, he really is. He is a world renowned, world recognised, undeniably
    >>> > brilliant public key researcher with extensive experience in the research
    >>> > department of RSA Security. If anything $400/hour is not enough for his
    >>> > level of capability.
    >>>
    >>> > This is from someone who has been at odds with him on multiple occassions. I
    >>> > obviously have great respect for him, and more than once I have recommended
    >>> > him to my clients.
    >>>
    >>> > He is absolutely worth $400 an hour.
    >>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe
    >>>
    >>> Damn, Joe, he'd better get $400/hr to pay you for this extra-glorious
    >>> endorsement. :)
    >>>
    >>> I kid.
    >>>
    >>> But you might give him a few lessons in following Usenet conversations
    >>> (who replied to whom) and using a newsreader, dumping Google Groups.

    >>
    >> And *YOU* might do something to reduce both your arrogance and your
    >> ignorance.
    >>
    >> Did it ever occur to you that I might have to work under certain
    >> restrictions?
    >>
    >> Did it ever occur to you that someone who works in information
    >> security for
    >> a DOD contractor might have such restrictions?
    >>

    >
    > I suppose that is possible which would be totally bizare. Googlegroups
    > is pretty insecure, so how in the world can they allow you to go through
    > them? Besides google has assured us that they data mine the stuff going
    > through them. So your contractors do not mind?


    And surely Bob does this accessing on his own time. At $400/hr, if I
    found him ****ing around on Usenet leaving my corporate machine's
    tracks all over GGroups, on his time or not, I'd drop him with his
    termination papers at the nearest bus stop.

    But that just me. The DoD I am sure is pleased with his outbound
    efforts.
    --
    ´Looking Above and Beyond the Ramp: A Study of Buffalo Students˙
    Attitudes toward Alternative Modes of Transportation"

  11. #131
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 03:27:39 -0700 (PDT), Pubkeybreaker wrote:

    > On Sep 3, 1:29*am, "Joseph Ashwood" <ashw...@msn.com> wrote:
    >> "Mark Murray" <w.h.o...@example.com> wrote in message
    >>

    >
    >> This is from someone who has been at odds with him on multiple occassions. I
    >> obviously have great respect for him, and more than once I have recommended
    >> him to my clients.
    >>
    >> He is absolutely worth $400 an hour.
    >> * * * * * * * * * * Joe

    >
    > Thanks for the kind words.
    >
    > BTW:
    >
    > A typical big city lawyer charges this.


    So does a NYC hooker, and more, and your point is....?
    --
    ´Looking Above and Beyond the Ramp: A Study of Buffalo Students˙
    Attitudes toward Alternative Modes of Transportation"

  12. #132
    Maaartin
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Sep 3, 3:38*pm, unruh <un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
    > On 2010-09-03, Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybrea...@aol.com> wrote:
    > > Did it ever occur to you that someone who works in information
    > > security for
    > > a DOD contractor might have such restrictions?

    >
    > I suppose that is possible which would be totally bizare. Googlegroups
    > is pretty insecure, so how in the world can they allow you to go through
    > them? Besides google has assured us that they data mine the stuff going
    > through them. So your contractors do not mind?


    How insecure? All what he posts there including his username is public
    anyway, his email is easy to find out, and everybody knows it. What
    remains is his googlegroups password, which (I hope:D) is not the same
    as his password for the DoD. He uses a web browser, so what's the
    risk?

    On Sep 3, 5:55*pm, David Eather <eat...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    > Hey Trulymail is using the crypto library provided by Microsoft. Do you
    > *really* trust a company that can't sort out how to add 2 unsigned
    > 64-bit numbers even after 3 years of trying.


    Could you please elaborate on this? A pointer would be nice.

  13. #133
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:54:42 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:

    > Ari Silverstein <AriSilverstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    > news:8e7g7nF2fvU1@mid.individual.net:
    >
    > Ari the puppetmaster defends his puppet. How long before the
    > puppet chimes in to defend the puppetmaster?


    You blithering on, still, about Steve Terry being a sock? *LOL*

    Take time to use G-o-o-g-l-e yet Old Man?
    --
    Talk about F-Cars - www.ferrarichat.com/forum/member.php?u=89702

  14. #134
    Steve Terry
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail



    "Ari Silverstein" <AriSilverstein@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:8edcfsFofmU1@mid.individual.net...
    > On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:54:42 GMT, nemo_outis wrote:
    >
    >> Ari Silverstein <AriSilverstein@yahoo.com> wrote in
    >> news:8e7g7nF2fvU1@mid.individual.net:
    >>
    >> Ari the puppetmaster defends his puppet. How long before the
    >> puppet chimes in to defend the puppetmaster?

    >
    > You blithering on, still, about Steve Terry being a sock? *LOL*
    >
    > Take time to use G-o-o-g-l-e yet Old Man?
    >
    >

    Google?!
    He still has to get his mother to switch his PC on for him

    I'm hard to find, i only have about 5000 usenet postings archived
    since 1995

    Steve Terry
    --
    "I would like to plead for my right to investigate natural phenomena
    without having guns pointed at me.
    I also ask for the right to be wrong without being hanged for it."
    - Wilhelm Reich, November 1947



  15. #135
    Joseph Ashwood
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    "Ari Silverstein" <AriSilverstein@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:8eblt6Ffv4U1@mid.individual.net...
    > Joe, I wouldn't expect a response from Trulymail, maybe I will be
    > wrong. If Trulymail responds, there are only two outcomes. More
    > self-inflicted ruination and heaping amounts of self-inflicted
    > ruination.


    I'm not expecting much either, it ticks too many checkboxes for snake-oil to
    not have major mistakes.
    Joe


  16. #136
    Joseph Ashwood
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    "Mark Murray" <w.h.oami@example.com> wrote in message
    news:4c80eaef$0$12164$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
    > On 09/03/10 13:02, Pubkeybreaker wrote:
    >> Do you have any idea as to the degree of pedantry that is required to
    >> fully vet someone else's software?

    >
    > Somewhat.
    >
    > But I see that this debate has got so far into the splitting hairs
    > domain that I suspect we are going to see quarks soon.
    >
    > The question "What algorithms do you use?" has been answered by the
    > OP (VERY BADLY, I agree) as "RSA for keys and AES for the message",
    > without giving any other useful detail.


    There's far, far, far more to the algorithms question than RSA and AES, what
    algorithm selects the primes for N? What algorithm protects the private key?
    What chaining mode? What algorithm selects the symmetric keys? What
    algorithm is used to pad the RSA plaintext? What signature method is used?
    Is there a MAC? How is the MAC key determined? There are dozens of more
    question. Beyond this the answer was far from clear, the 4096-bit key almost
    certainly refers to RSA, but I have not seen a reasonable statement that
    clearly states which symmetric algorithm (PROV_RSA_AES has RC2, RC4, and
    AES).

    Saying it uses PROV_RSA_AES does not answer any question.
    Joe


  17. #137
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    Paulo Marques wrote:

    > a wrote:
    >> **** off, Ari. You're just trolling John for the sake of being
    >> difficult. Hundreds of apps exist where you don't know the makers and
    >> their history.

    >
    > Ari's arguments might not have been expressed in the best of ways (to
    > put it mildly) but he is


    <snip>

    Thing is... Sliverdick doesn't have clue one what it's babbling on about.
    It's only parroting things it heard to see itself post, just like the way
    the poor, pathetic, lying git does wholesale cut and paste of others'
    posts whe even IT gets bored with the threadbare "lol" inanity and lies
    about being significant that are Sliverdick's A game.

  18. #138
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    Ari Silverstein wrote:

    > On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 04:52:07 -0700 (PDT), Pubkeybreaker wrote:
    >> And *YOU* might do something to reduce both your arrogance and your
    >> ignorance.

    >
    > I did. I just deleted your post.
    >
    > *LOL


    ROTFL!

    Your wannabe Sliverdick ass just got mega-spanked by someone who IS the
    expert your loser self lies about being, so you ran away like a mangina
    with the very best you could muster in retaliation being the same old
    boring "lol" inanity you fall back on as a last resort when all your
    other inanities leave you cold.

    Do you have ANY clue how pathetic you really are?

  19. #139
    Pubkeybreaker
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Sep 17, 4:42*am, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
    > Paulo Marques wrote:
    > > a wrote:
    > >> **** off, Ari. You're just trolling John for the sake of being
    > >> difficult. Hundreds of apps exist where you don't know the makers and
    > >> their history.

    >
    > > Ari's arguments might not have been expressed in the best of ways (to
    > > put it mildly) but he is

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > Thing is... Sliverdick doesn't have clue one what it's babbling on about.


    (1) Belittling an adversary by perverting his/her name shows that you
    have
    nothing relevant to say except childish name-calling. I don't agree
    with Ari,
    but I will carry on a civilized debate with him. Your name-calling
    simply shows you
    to be an immature jerk.

    (2) Regardless of the merits of his discussion, at least he has the
    courage to
    post under his own name. He stands by what he says. You, on the
    other
    hand, are a COWARD.


  20. #140
    Ari Silverstein
    Guest

    Re: Truly Trulymail

    On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:42:15 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous wrote:

    > Paulo Marques wrote:
    >
    >> a wrote:
    >>> **** off, Ari. You're just trolling John for the sake of being
    >>> difficult. Hundreds of apps exist where you don't know the makers and
    >>> their history.

    >>
    >> Ari's arguments might not have been expressed in the best of ways (to
    >> put it mildly) but he is

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > Thing is... Sliverdick doesn't have clue one what it's babbling on about.


    Outside of being over *two weeks* from the post of mine this threads,
    the only troll here is you, Mr. Anonymousie. Certainly you took the
    time to read the majority of this thread and to think all you have to
    enjoin is I'm a Sliverdick?

    Why don't you get a pair of nuts and post using your own name? Isn't
    that a novel idea, accountability.

    Btw, if you need work I have a few toilets with **** splattered all
    over them.

    For you. *LOL*
    --
    http://fffff.at/tag/****google/

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