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  1. #21
    Your Name
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101651093201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
    <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <j9h806psss6da5ltdgu40r4v8g309e1rm6@4ax.com>, Jeff
    > Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    >
    > > >multiple buttons have been supported by mac os since the early 1990s,
    > > >and contextual menus since the late 1980s. with usb, it's a non-issue.

    > >
    > > Ok, so why duz Apple continue to ship one button mice and laptops with
    > > one button touchpads?

    >
    > they ship multi-button mice and trackpads, although they can be
    > considered zero button. :)
    >
    > the mighty mouse (now called apple mouse) has four buttons and the
    > magic mouse has two and a touchpad with gestures. the laptop trackpads
    > are multitouch and you can set up an area for secondary click, or just
    > use the control key with *any* mouse (and that goes back for over a
    > decade, maybe even two). some apps used to use the command key to get a
    > contextual menu, long, long ago.
    >
    > > Here's one theory:
    > >
    > >

    <http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/ne...-one-buttoned-
    > > mouse-01280820/>
    > >
    > > I've lost count of how many times some great idea gets shot down by
    > > "The users don't need that feature. It will only confuse them". Of
    > > course there's no consideration to the discovery that they're already
    > > confused.

    >
    > most people (not geeks) find multi-button mice confusing. even when
    > multi-button mice were available in the 90s, few people bothered.
    >
    > plus, how many buttons are best? some like two, some want a wheel and
    > others hate the wheel. some want 4-5 buttons or even more. apple ships
    > a functional mouse and the user can decide to replace it if they want.
    >
    > mac os has always been designed around one button. there is no need for
    > a second (or third) button as there is with other operating systems.
    > it's a convenience (sometimes).


    Not only that, but the multi-button mice can be {beep}ingly annoying. The
    first thing I do when setting up any new Mac is turn off the extra
    buttons. Personally I find the "squeeze" button of the Mighty Mouse
    especially annoying, continually "going off" when I don't want it to just
    because I'm moviing the mouse around.

  2. #22
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article
    <your.name-0106101404380001@203-109-168-122.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
    Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:

    > Like the Apple mice, the trackpad does have REAL buttons, they simply
    > aren't visible ones. The bottom of the trackpad has at leat one cliackable
    > button (I haven't checked to see if there are two separate ones or perhaps
    > a left-right rocker switch).


    there is only one physical button. everything else is done via
    multitouch and software.

  3. #23
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <michelle-2B2433.17211631052010@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

    > In article <j9h806psss6da5ltdgu40r4v8g309e1rm6@4ax.com>,
    > Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Ok, so why duz Apple continue to ship one button mice and laptops with
    > > one button touchpads?

    >
    > Apple hasn't shipped a one-button mouse five years.
    >
    > Apple's touch pad doesn't have any buttons; the touch pad itself acts as a
    > button. One finger for the left button; two fingers for the right. For
    > that matter, it can sense up to five fingers.


    Like the Apple mice, the trackpad does have REAL buttons, they simply
    aren't visible ones. The bottom of the trackpad has at leat one cliackable
    button (I haven't checked to see if there are two separate ones or perhaps
    a left-right rocker switch).

  4. #24
    Michelle Steiner
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article
    <your.name-0106101402460001@203-109-168-122.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
    your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:

    > Not only that, but the multi-button mice can be {beep}ingly annoying.
    > The first thing I do when setting up any new Mac is turn off the extra
    > buttons. Personally I find the "squeeze" button of the Mighty Mouse
    > especially annoying, continually "going off" when I don't want it to
    > just because I'm moviing the mouse around.


    That's the only button on that mouse that I turned off.

    Ergonomically, the best mouse (for right handers) that I've ever had was
    the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer and its successors. Unfortunately,
    after two or three years, it became very inaccurate, jumping a bunch of
    pixels at a time when I moved it. After going through three of them like
    that (both the wired and wireless versions), I gave it up for the Mighty
    Mouse. The MM had its own problems as well, namely the scroll ball gunking
    up and the lack of usable side buttons, so I'm now using the Magic Mouse.
    The only thing I miss about it is the third button; I don't miss the side
    buttons any more because multitouch with Magic Prefs makes a good
    replacement for them.

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  5. #25
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <michelle-DE9E87.19215931052010@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

    > Ergonomically, the best mouse (for right handers) that I've ever had was
    > the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer


    I agree. I'm using one right now. No problems whatsoever.

  6. #26
    Char Jackson
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:39:45 -0700, Michelle Steiner
    <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

    >And very few people know about the mouse to begin with. We had a display
    >that introduced the Mac; I can't tell you how many people picked up the
    >mouse, turned it over, and tried to use it as a trackball, even though the
    >monitor showed them how to use a mouse.


    The first time I saw a Mac one-button mouse I picked it up, too, but I
    wasn't trying to use it as a trackball. I was looking for the rest of
    the buttons!


  7. #27
    Your Name
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101900168013%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
    <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article
    > <your.name-0106101357580001@203-109-168-122.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
    > Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Any Mac could probably support a two / multi-button mouse if the company
    > > selling the device wanted to write driver software ... but the point is
    > > that the Mac doesn't need a two button mouse. Personally I very rarely had
    > > any need for more than one button.

    >
    > no drivers are needed with any usb standard mouse.
    >
    > it's the mice with zillions of buttons that require a driver, and there
    > are at least two third party mac drivers already (not from any mouse
    > maker), which support pretty much anything that exists, including all
    > sorts of custom functions that even the manufacturers don't offer.


    Yep, but I was going even further back to pre-USB, but I'm not sure if
    anyone actually bothered to offer a multi-button ADB mouse for Macs.

  8. #28
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article
    <your.name-0106101621070001@203-109-166-105.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
    Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:

    > Yep, but I was going even further back to pre-USB, but I'm not sure if
    > anyone actually bothered to offer a multi-button ADB mouse for Macs.


    plenty did.

  9. #29
    Your Name
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101901543873%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
    <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article
    > <your.name-0106101402460001@203-109-168-122.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
    > Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Not only that, but the multi-button mice can be {beep}ingly annoying. The
    > > first thing I do when setting up any new Mac is turn off the extra
    > > buttons. Personally I find the "squeeze" button of the Mighty Mouse
    > > especially annoying, continually "going off" when I don't want it to just
    > > because I'm moviing the mouse around.

    >
    > one thing they did right on the magic mouse is remove the side buttons.
    > those falsed all the time. unfortunately, the shape of the magic mouse
    > is not very comfortable, at least for me.


    I haven't used the Magic Mouse much yet, but when I did use one for a
    while doing some DTP layout work I found that I kept scrolling the window
    contents by accident when moving the mouse around.

    After using a Mighty Mouse for a while, I often come back to my own ADB
    mouse and keep trying to scroll with the non-existant mouse ball. :-)

  10. #30
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article
    <your.name-0106101624220001@203-109-166-105.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
    Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:

    > > > Like the Apple mice, the trackpad does have REAL buttons, they simply
    > > > aren't visible ones. The bottom of the trackpad has at leat one cliackable
    > > > button (I haven't checked to see if there are two separate ones or perhaps
    > > > a left-right rocker switch).

    > >
    > > there is only one physical button. everything else is done via
    > > multitouch and software.

    >
    > I thought there was only one, but I seem to vaguely recall being able to
    > right-click it ... but that could easily be wrong.


    you can right click it. either use two fingers, set up a right-click
    area or use the control key.

  11. #31
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101903430428%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
    <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article
    > <your.name-0106101404380001@203-109-168-122.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>, Your
    > Name <your.name@isp.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Like the Apple mice, the trackpad does have REAL buttons, they simply
    > > aren't visible ones. The bottom of the trackpad has at leat one cliackable
    > > button (I haven't checked to see if there are two separate ones or perhaps
    > > a left-right rocker switch).

    >
    > there is only one physical button. everything else is done via
    > multitouch and software.


    I thought there was only one, but I seem to vaguely recall being able to
    right-click it ... but that could easily be wrong.

  12. #32
    Your Name
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <michelle-DE9E87.19215931052010@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

    > In article
    > <your.name-0106101402460001@203-109-168-122.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
    > your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
    >
    > > Not only that, but the multi-button mice can be {beep}ingly annoying.
    > > The first thing I do when setting up any new Mac is turn off the extra
    > > buttons. Personally I find the "squeeze" button of the Mighty Mouse
    > > especially annoying, continually "going off" when I don't want it to
    > > just because I'm moviing the mouse around.

    >
    > That's the only button on that mouse that I turned off.
    >
    > Ergonomically, the best mouse (for right handers) that I've ever had was
    > the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer and its successors. Unfortunately,
    > after two or three years, it became very inaccurate, jumping a bunch of
    > pixels at a time when I moved it. After going through three of them like
    > that (both the wired and wireless versions), I gave it up for the Mighty
    > Mouse.


    It may just have needed cleaning, or maybe the wires were coming adrift at
    the mouse end.



    > The MM had its own problems as well, namely the scroll ball gunking
    > up and the lack of usable side buttons, so I'm now using the Magic Mouse.
    > The only thing I miss about it is the third button; I don't miss the side
    > buttons any more because multitouch with Magic Prefs makes a good
    > replacement for them.


    I used lots of Mighty Mice and know quite a few people using them, and
    there's never been a problem with a "gunky" scroll ball. The only problem
    I've had with the scrollball is keep trying to use the non-existant one on
    a couple of older Apple Mice or my own ADB mouse. :-)

  13. #33
    Michelle Steiner
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <ptt806tjjh7b7t9vh1sm1iqkcng1bumfoe@4ax.com>,
    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    > >And very few people know about the mouse to begin with. We had a
    > >display that introduced the Mac; I can't tell you how many people
    > >picked up the mouse, turned it over, and tried to use it as a
    > >trackball, even though the monitor showed them how to use a mouse.

    >
    > The first time I saw a Mac one-button mouse I picked it up, too, but I
    > wasn't trying to use it as a trackball. I was looking for the rest of
    > the buttons!


    Well, this was at a time when the general public didn't know anything about
    computer mice.

    --
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    <http://www.hotcocoaparty.info>

  14. #34
    Michelle Steiner
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article
    <your.name-0106101628260001@203-109-166-105.dial.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
    your.name@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:

    > > Ergonomically, the best mouse (for right handers) that I've ever had
    > > was the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer and its successors.
    > > Unfortunately, after two or three years, it became very inaccurate,
    > > jumping a bunch of pixels at a time when I moved it. After going
    > > through three of them like that (both the wired and wireless
    > > versions), I gave it up for the Mighty Mouse.

    >
    > It may just have needed cleaning,


    Nope; that didn't help.

    > or maybe the wires were coming adrift at the mouse end.


    On the wireless version?

    > I used lots of Mighty Mice and know quite a few people using them, and
    > there's never been a problem with a "gunky" scroll ball.


    Never for you and those other people, but it was a problem for me and for a
    lot of other people.

    --
    Check out the Hot Cocoa Party
    <http://www.hotcocoaparty.info>

  15. #35
    Who Dat?
    Guest

    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    Michelle Steiner wrote:
    > In article <j9h806psss6da5ltdgu40r4v8g309e1rm6@4ax.com>,
    > Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Ok, so why duz Apple continue to ship one button mice and laptops with
    >> one button touchpads?

    >
    > Apple hasn't shipped a one-button mouse five years.
    >
    > Apple's touch pad doesn't have any buttons; the touch pad itself acts as a
    > button. One finger for the left button; two fingers for the right. For
    > that matter, it can sense up to five fingers.



    That's AAPL for ya.... Always thinking of the fisting fanboi and fangirl...


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