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  1. #1
    nospam
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <1u65069v840lksrpjovrggv9s8cn62oefm@4ax.com>, John Navas
    <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > >They said the same crap about the iPhone. Yet again the last laugh will
    > >be on them.

    >
    > Tell that to those of us with Android phones that cost us less, give us
    > more, and don't limit us to AT&T. :D


    android phones are just catching up to iphones and the at&t exclusivity
    is going to end, probably sooner than people think.

    android 2.2 *adds* the ability to back up user's data (amazingly, it
    was not there before), and that's an api call that an app has to make.
    wtf!! on an iphone, the user's data is automatically backed up. it
    'just works.'

    here's one example, and note that android 2.1 was *just* released (may
    19). 2.2 is a *ways* off (see below).

    <http://www.htc.com/us/support/hero-sprint/downloads>
    WARNING: Installing this software will erase your current user data.
    Please see instructions below for details.
    ....
    Text and picture messages will be deleted with this software update.*
    You can back up text and picture messages by forwarding them to an
    email address.
    ....
    Applications will be deleted with this software update.* You will
    need to re-download the desired applications from the Market after
    this update completes.

    seriously, who thought deleting the user's data is a good idea?

    android 2.2 adds tethering, something the iphone has had for a year.
    although at&t doesn't support it on the iphone, just about every other
    carrier does. google did do a nice job with making it create a wifi
    hotspot, but it remains to be seen how many carriers will support it,
    and since the carriers can modify the code (it's open source, after
    all), they could disable tethering entirely. sprint has announced it's
    going to be $30/mo *more* for tethering.

    it also adds exchange support, something the iphone has had for 2
    years, and still does not have in-app purchases.

    but the real kicker is android 2.2 is not out yet unless you own a
    nexus one. it may be until the *end of the year* for some devices, or
    maybe not at all, like the t-mobile g1 that's still being sold. 2.1 is
    the end of the line for g1 users, a phone that's less than 2 years old.

  2. #2
    Dennis Ferguson
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    On 2010-05-30, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    > In article <1u65069v840lksrpjovrggv9s8cn62oefm@4ax.com>, John Navas
    ><jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
    >> Tell that to those of us with Android phones that cost us less, give us
    >> more, and don't limit us to AT&T. :D

    >
    > android phones are just catching up to iphones and the at&t exclusivity
    > is going to end, probably sooner than people think.


    How soon do people think AT&T exclusivity is going to end?

    > android 2.2 adds tethering, something the iphone has had for a year.
    > although at&t doesn't support it on the iphone, just about every other
    > carrier does.


    My iPhone can be tethered on about 12% of the carriers the phone
    can be used with. That's "just about every other carrier"?

    > all), they could disable tethering entirely. sprint has announced it's
    > going to be $30/mo *more* for tethering.


    Why is that surprising? That's what Verizon and AT&T charge as well
    (I don't know what T-Mobile charges, it might be cheaper).

    Dennis Ferguson

  3. #3
    nospam
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <slrni05rc8.5k.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>, Dennis
    Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

    > >> Tell that to those of us with Android phones that cost us less, give us
    > >> more, and don't limit us to AT&T. :D

    > >
    > > android phones are just catching up to iphones and the at&t exclusivity
    > > is going to end, probably sooner than people think.

    >
    > How soon do people think AT&T exclusivity is going to end?


    people keep claiming there was a 5 year exclusive, despite nothing
    official, which would mean 2012. it won't be that long.

    it will definitely go away when all carriers deploy lte which should
    start late this year and into next year, so i'd say 2011 at the latest.

    the question is, will the exclusive go away before 2011, as in this
    year sometime? we might find out next week...

    > > android 2.2 adds tethering, something the iphone has had for a year.
    > > although at&t doesn't support it on the iphone, just about every other
    > > carrier does.

    >
    > My iPhone can be tethered on about 12% of the carriers the phone
    > can be used with. That's "just about every other carrier"?


    how many subscribers does that cover? and we're one week away from the
    official announcement of 4.0, which is rumoured to have enhancements to
    tethering.

    > > all), they could disable tethering entirely. sprint has announced it's
    > > going to be $30/mo *more* for tethering.

    >
    > Why is that surprising?


    it's not surprising at all. it's just that android fanbois point out
    how much better tethering is on android (and the wifi hotspot is
    definitely nice), but so far the ability to do so hasn't been released
    yet except on one model phone only on one carrier (where have i heard
    this before?)

    > That's what Verizon and AT&T charge as well
    > (I don't know what T-Mobile charges, it might be cheaper).


    i don't think t-mobile is currently charging extra for tethering with
    the nexus one. they're #4 so they might want to woo a few more
    customers. who knows how long that will last though.

  4. #4
    nospam
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jp5606trll5fq9nnaarjk4jtihq96vkiu6@4ax.com>, John Navas
    <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > >> android phones are just catching up to iphones and the at&t exclusivity
    > >> is going to end, probably sooner than people think.

    > >
    > >How soon do people think AT&T exclusivity is going to end?

    >
    > When the 5 year exclusivity deal runs out;


    that's my point. people think it's five years, but the length of the
    contract has *never* been made public. anyone who quotes a specific
    length is guessing.

    > i.e., don't hold your breath.


    i.e., you're wrong (again).

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    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <slrni05rc8.5k.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>,
    Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

    > On 2010-05-30, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    > > In article <1u65069v840lksrpjovrggv9s8cn62oefm@4ax.com>, John Navas
    > ><jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
    > >> Tell that to those of us with Android phones that cost us less, give us
    > >> more, and don't limit us to AT&T. :D

    > >
    > > android phones are just catching up to iphones and the at&t exclusivity
    > > is going to end, probably sooner than people think.

    >
    > How soon do people think AT&T exclusivity is going to end?
    >
    > > android 2.2 adds tethering, something the iphone has had for a year.
    > > although at&t doesn't support it on the iphone, just about every other
    > > carrier does.

    >
    > My iPhone can be tethered on about 12% of the carriers the phone
    > can be used with. That's "just about every other carrier"?


    Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.

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    nospam
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-41B59D.22571930052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.


    actually, it doesn't. the iphone does not tether with at&t at this time
    due to at&t's incompetence.

    that may change in 4.0.

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    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <300520102110460048%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-41B59D.22571930052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.

    >
    > actually, it doesn't. the iphone does not tether with at&t at this time
    > due to at&t's incompetence.
    >
    > that may change in 4.0.


    Actually I just tethered my iPad to my iPhone yesterday, and I am on
    AT&T. It absolutely does tether.

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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-27DD43.09174831052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > > > Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.

    > >
    > > actually, it doesn't. the iphone does not tether with at&t at this time
    > > due to at&t's incompetence.
    > >
    > > that may change in 4.0.

    >
    > Actually I just tethered my iPad to my iPhone yesterday, and I am on
    > AT&T. It absolutely does tether.


    then you hacked it and are in violation of at&t's terms of service.

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    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520100935284742%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-27DD43.09174831052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > > > Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.
    > > >
    > > > actually, it doesn't. the iphone does not tether with at&t at this time
    > > > due to at&t's incompetence.
    > > >
    > > > that may change in 4.0.

    > >
    > > Actually I just tethered my iPad to my iPhone yesterday, and I am on
    > > AT&T. It absolutely does tether.

    >
    > then you hacked it and are in violation of at&t's terms of service.


    I jail broke it, sure, but it was as easy as clicking a button. I
    couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest. I don't
    use tethering all that often to begin with, and data is data so it
    should be an option, IMO. Plus AT&T falsely advertised that tethering
    would be available long ago and has long since missed that date.

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  10. #10
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-207BF7.14045831052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > > > > > Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.
    > > > >
    > > > > actually, it doesn't. the iphone does not tether with at&t at this time
    > > > > due to at&t's incompetence.
    > > > >
    > > > > that may change in 4.0.
    > > >
    > > > Actually I just tethered my iPad to my iPhone yesterday, and I am on
    > > > AT&T. It absolutely does tether.

    > >
    > > then you hacked it and are in violation of at&t's terms of service.

    >
    > I jail broke it, sure, but it was as easy as clicking a button.


    it may be easy, but the iphone can't tether to at&t unless you do, and
    only with certain firmwares and appropriate configuration file. most
    people don't jailbreak either. the fact remains that tethering with
    at&t is not supported.

    > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.


    that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?

    > I don't
    > use tethering all that often to begin with, and data is data so it
    > should be an option, IMO. Plus AT&T falsely advertised that tethering
    > would be available long ago and has long since missed that date.


    so you admit there is no tethering with at&t, and yes, they're
    incompetent buffoons.

    the sooner the iphone goes multi-carrier, the better. one survey even
    claims as many as 40% of at&t iphone users might jump ship (6 million
    subscribers). that seems high, but if even half that switch, not to
    mention a huge drop in new subscribers to at&t, they're going to be
    hurting, big time.

    <http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/05/...att-for-verizo
    n-iphone/>

    the funny thing is, once the iphone is available on verizon, sprint
    and/or t-mobile, and *they* offer tethering, at&t will somehow figure
    out how to enable it for the iphone. then again, if 6 million users
    jump ship, all that capacity can handle the extra load for tethering.

  11. #11
    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101229542685%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-207BF7.14045831052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > > > > > Actually, the iPhone tether with AT&T, or with any other provider.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > actually, it doesn't. the iphone does not tether with at&t at this
    > > > > > time
    > > > > > due to at&t's incompetence.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > that may change in 4.0.
    > > > >
    > > > > Actually I just tethered my iPad to my iPhone yesterday, and I am on
    > > > > AT&T. It absolutely does tether.
    > > >
    > > > then you hacked it and are in violation of at&t's terms of service.

    > >
    > > I jail broke it, sure, but it was as easy as clicking a button.

    >
    > it may be easy, but the iphone can't tether to at&t unless you do, and
    > only with certain firmwares and appropriate configuration file. most
    > people don't jailbreak either. the fact remains that tethering with
    > at&t is not supported.


    You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.

    > > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.

    >
    > that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?


    Most of us do, yep.

    > > I don't
    > > use tethering all that often to begin with, and data is data so it
    > > should be an option, IMO. Plus AT&T falsely advertised that tethering
    > > would be available long ago and has long since missed that date.

    >
    > so you admit there is no tethering with at&t, and yes, they're
    > incompetent buffoons.


    Like you said, it's not supported, but that obviously doesn't mean you
    can't do it.

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    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101229542685%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.

    >
    > that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?


    Now wait a minute. He cares just as much about his agreement with AT&T
    as AT&T does about their agreement with him.

  13. #13
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-F631C9.15312031052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.


    it's exactly correct, and you even admit that's the case, saying at&t
    falsely advertised the ability.

    it's only possible if you hack the phone, void the warranty and violate
    the terms of service.

    you also may not be able to upgrade firmware, as many people found out
    the hard way and ended up with a non-functional iphone. others were
    more fortunate and just lost the ability to tether when they upgraded.

    furthermore, at&t tethering is rumoured to be *new* in iphone os 4.0:

    <http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/18/...r-atandt-custo
    mers-to-finally-arrive-with-iphone-os-4-0/>

    > > > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.

    > >
    > > that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?

    >
    > Most of us do, yep.


    no, most people do not ignore agreements they make.

    > > > I don't
    > > > use tethering all that often to begin with, and data is data so it
    > > > should be an option, IMO. Plus AT&T falsely advertised that tethering
    > > > would be available long ago and has long since missed that date.


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    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101519313314%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-F631C9.15312031052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.

    >
    > it's exactly correct


    Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.

    > it's only possible if you hack the phone, void the warranty and violate
    > the terms of service.


    It may not tether the way you seem to think is best, but it absolutely
    DOES tether. I just did it yesterday, and it works fine.

    I'm not going to argue any more about this with you. Feel free to have
    the last word.

    > you also may not be able to upgrade firmware, as many people found out
    > the hard way and ended up with a non-functional iphone. others were
    > more fortunate and just lost the ability to tether when they upgraded.


    If you know what you are doing you can upgrade just fine without issue.

    > furthermore, at&t tethering is rumoured to be *new* in iphone os 4.0:
    >
    > <http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/18/...r-atandt-custo
    > mers-to-finally-arrive-with-iphone-os-4-0/>


    I care not, because I am already able to tether today. And I don't have
    to pay extra to do it, as I suspect you will once it's included and
    officially supported in iPhone 4.0.

    > > > > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.
    > > >
    > > > that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?

    > >
    > > Most of us do, yep.

    >
    > no, most people do not ignore agreements they make.


    I don't care. To me, it's my data and I will use it how I wish. AT&T can
    suck it if they don't like it.

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    nospam
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-CA82C8.17322231052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.

    > >
    > > it's exactly correct

    >
    > Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.


    it's exactly correct. an iphone can only tether if it's jailbroken,
    something 90% of iphone users do not do, and an appropriate
    configuration file loaded, something even fewer people do.

    so yes it can tether if you hack it, but that's not something that is
    normally considered a feature of the phone.

    the iphone can even be hacked to run android. are you now going to
    claim it's a universal phone?

    > > you also may not be able to upgrade firmware, as many people found out
    > > the hard way and ended up with a non-functional iphone. others were
    > > more fortunate and just lost the ability to tether when they upgraded.

    >
    > If you know what you are doing you can upgrade just fine without issue.


    big if. many people upgraded and were screwed. those who needed an
    unlock could no longer use their iphone *at all*. some were stuck on
    the activation screen so they couldn't even use it as an ipod or mobile
    internet device. a brick, in other words.

    > > > > > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.
    > > > >
    > > > > that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?
    > > >
    > > > Most of us do, yep.

    > >
    > > no, most people do not ignore agreements they make.

    >
    > I don't care. To me, it's my data and I will use it how I wish. AT&T can
    > suck it if they don't like it.


    charming.

  16. #16
    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101548197012%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-CA82C8.17322231052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.
    > > >
    > > > it's exactly correct

    > >
    > > Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.

    >
    > it's exactly correct. an iphone can only tether if it's jailbroken,


    Which means it CAN tether. You said it, not me. Stop trying to argue
    about it. You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    incorrect.

    > > If you know what you are doing you can upgrade just fine without issue.

    >
    > big if. many people upgraded and were screwed. those who needed an
    > unlock could no longer use their iphone *at all*. some were stuck on
    > the activation screen so they couldn't even use it as an ipod or mobile
    > internet device. a brick, in other words.


    A smart person would have restored their phone before upgrading.

    > > > > > > I couldn't care less about AT&T's terms of service, to be honest.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > that's nice. do you just abide by whatever agreements you feel like?
    > > > >
    > > > > Most of us do, yep.
    > > >
    > > > no, most people do not ignore agreements they make.

    > >
    > > I don't care. To me, it's my data and I will use it how I wish. AT&T can
    > > suck it if they don't like it.

    >
    > charming.


    Deal with it.

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  17. #17
    nospam
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-A1D0D9.18005131052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > > > > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.
    > > > >
    > > > > it's exactly correct
    > > >
    > > > Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.

    > >
    > > it's exactly correct. an iphone can only tether if it's jailbroken,

    >
    > Which means it CAN tether. You said it, not me. Stop trying to argue
    > about it. You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    > incorrect.


    i'm not the one who is arguing. the iphone *can't* tether to at&t
    unless it's jailbroken, and if you include hacks, the iphone can do
    quite a bit more, including folders, third party apps that run in the
    background and even android.

    it's ludicrous to claim the iphone can tether to at&t, when a hack and
    tos violation is required to do so. the vast majority of users do not
    jailbreak, which means no at&t tethering. period.

    > > > If you know what you are doing you can upgrade just fine without issue.

    > >
    > > big if. many people upgraded and were screwed. those who needed an
    > > unlock could no longer use their iphone *at all*. some were stuck on
    > > the activation screen so they couldn't even use it as an ipod or mobile
    > > internet device. a brick, in other words.

    >
    > A smart person would have restored their phone before upgrading.


    actually, that would have been a big mistake. restoring a new firmware
    without the proper precautions could potentially brick it.

  18. #18
    Michelle Steiner
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <jollyroger-A1D0D9.18005131052010@news.individual.net>,
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    > > > > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    > > > > > incorrect.
    > > > >
    > > > > it's exactly correct
    > > >
    > > > Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.

    > >
    > > it's exactly correct. an iphone can only tether if it's jailbroken,

    >
    > Which means it CAN tether. You said it, not me. Stop trying to argue
    > about it. You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    > incorrect.


    How about you both agree to "The iPhone does not tether with AT&T unless it
    is jailbroken. This is subject to change without advance notice."?

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  19. #19
    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <michelle-22EB60.17265131052010@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-A1D0D9.18005131052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > > > > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    > > > > > > incorrect.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > it's exactly correct
    > > > >
    > > > > Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.
    > > >
    > > > it's exactly correct. an iphone can only tether if it's jailbroken,

    > >
    > > Which means it CAN tether. You said it, not me. Stop trying to argue
    > > about it. You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    > > incorrect.

    >
    > How about you both agree to "The iPhone does not tether with AT&T unless it
    > is jailbroken. This is subject to change without advance notice."?


    I'm down with that.

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  20. #20
    Jolly Roger
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    Re: Fanboi's lament - falling out of love with the iPad

    In article <310520101611441293%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > In article <jollyroger-A1D0D9.18005131052010@news.individual.net>,
    > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    >
    > > > > > > You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's incorrect.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > it's exactly correct
    > > > >
    > > > > Nope. It's incorrect, because the iPhone DOES tether.
    > > >
    > > > it's exactly correct. an iphone can only tether if it's jailbroken,

    > >
    > > Which means it CAN tether. You said it, not me. Stop trying to argue
    > > about it. You said "the iphone does not tether with at&t". That's
    > > incorrect.

    >
    > i'm not the one who is arguing. the iphone *can't* tether to at&t
    > unless it's jailbroken, and if you include hacks, the iphone can do
    > quite a bit more, including folders, third party apps that run in the
    > background and even android.
    >
    > it's ludicrous to claim the iphone can tether to at&t, when a hack and
    > tos violation is required to do so.


    No, it's a simple fact that it is possible.

    If you had mentioned jail breaking or TOS in your initial statement "the
    iphone does not tether with at&t", perhaps we wouldn't be having this
    discussion. But you claimed it could not be done, which is incorrect.

    > > > > If you know what you are doing you can upgrade just fine without issue.
    > > >
    > > > big if. many people upgraded and were screwed. those who needed an
    > > > unlock could no longer use their iphone *at all*. some were stuck on
    > > > the activation screen so they couldn't even use it as an ipod or mobile
    > > > internet device. a brick, in other words.

    > >
    > > A smart person would have restored their phone before upgrading.

    >
    > actually, that would have been a big mistake. restoring a new firmware
    > without the proper precautions could potentially brick it.


    I'm talking about restoring *with* the proper precautions. Nice try,
    though.

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