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  1. #1
    Bill Kearney
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    > While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
    > market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
    > systems.


    That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for the
    enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.


  2. #2
    nospam
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <D9WdnWMLkIiG15zRnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Bill
    Kearney wrote:

    > > While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
    > > market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
    > > systems.

    >
    > That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for the
    > enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.


    nonsense.

  3. #3
    Richard B. Gilbert
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    nospam wrote:
    > In article <D9WdnWMLkIiG15zRnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Bill
    > Kearney wrote:
    >
    >>> While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
    >>> market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
    >>> systems.

    >> That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for the
    >> enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.

    >
    > nonsense.


    Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
    Apple's applications or tools that aid business.

    I used to work for a company that had about 300 X86 PCs and eight or so
    Apple Macs. The Macs were used for a typesetting application. The PCs
    ran the business; order-entry, customer service, etc. Could the Apples
    have done it? Probably! They didn't because the PCs and their software
    were cheaper to buy and maintain.

  4. #4
    nospam
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>, Richard B.
    Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

    > >>> While a closed system has obvious advantages for Apple in the consumer
    > >>> market, the enterprise market tends to go for open systems over closed
    > >>> systems.
    > >> That and Apple has shown over time to have little more than contempt for
    > >> the
    > >> enterprise market, by making no tools that aid it.

    > >
    > > nonsense.

    >
    > Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
    > Apple's applications or tools that aid business.


    os x comes with built-in exchange support that enterprise likes to use,
    along with open source components such as apache and other tools. os x
    server goes further with a *lot* of tools enterprises want.

  5. #5
    John Higdon
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

    > Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
    > Apple's applications or tools that aid business.


    Final Cut Pro.

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  6. #6
    John Higdon
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <9ss206l7ous1om0pu6la0fcm8o9vpgbg7b@4ax.com>,
    John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:57 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
    > in <higgy-81EB1E.13025729052010@news.announcetech.com>:
    >
    > >In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    > > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
    > >> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.

    > >
    > >Final Cut Pro.

    >
    > The exception that proves the rule.
    > Or is that alone your idea of "a few".


    I just happen to be using it at the moment.

    Want another? ProTools.

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  7. #7
    John Higdon
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com>,
    John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
    > business app, much less a major business app.


    Depend upon what business you're in. You need to get out more.

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    John Higdon
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  8. #8
    George Kerby
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid




    On 5/29/10 6:04 PM, in article a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com,
    "John Navas" <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:22:41 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
    > in <higgy-3C67AB.15224129052010@news.announcetech.com>:
    >
    >> In article <9ss206l7ous1om0pu6la0fcm8o9vpgbg7b@4ax.com>,
    >> John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:57 -0700, John Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote
    >>> in <higgy-81EB1E.13025729052010@news.announcetech.com>:
    >>>
    >>>> In article <EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    >>>> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
    >>>>> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.
    >>>>
    >>>> Final Cut Pro.
    >>>
    >>> The exception that proves the rule.
    >>> Or is that alone your idea of "a few".

    >>
    >> I just happen to be using it at the moment.
    >>
    >> Want another? ProTools.

    >
    > I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
    > business app, much less a major business app.


    The problem in your statement above: >"I think"<

    <spit> Bingo!


  9. #9
    George Kerby
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid




    On 5/29/10 7:01 PM, in article
    higgy-EED3CA.17013529052010@news.announcetech.com, "John Higdon"
    <higgy@kome.com> wrote:

    > In article <a8730693u5hpil10vecnvsne0mf4dgkdci@4ax.com>,
    > John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
    >
    >> I'll buy Final Cut Pro, but I think Pro Tools isn't what I'd call a
    >> business app, much less a major business app.

    >
    > Depend upon what business you're in. You need to get out more.


    NavAss needs to pull out, not get out...

    <http://static.open.salon.com/files/head_up_your_ass1246157109.jpg>


  10. #10
    John Higdon
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <gra306tt5ajij49hva3th21rkmsv29805e@4ax.com>,
    John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > Thanks for your concern, but I get out quite often,
    > and that's not what I would call a major business app.


    What do you define as a "major business app"? If ProTools, a pricy but
    highly respected and powerful application employed in recording and
    broadcast facilities worldwide (businesses all), an application that has
    touched just about everything you hear on radio, television, commercial
    recordings, and the movies is not "a major business" app, then I needn't
    waste any more time naming things that you would not "call a major
    business app".

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  11. #11
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    On 29/05/10 1:02 PM, John Higdon wrote:
    > In article<EoadnUfBFoXVwZzRnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    > "Richard B. Gilbert"<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >> Instead of just saying "nonsense", you might try to mention a few of
    >> Apple's applications or tools that aid business.

    >
    > Final Cut Pro.


    That's the app that keeps a lot of people buying Macs. Quite a deal
    compared to Avid, especially when you have no need for the level of
    functionality that Avid provides.

    About once a year one of my kids has a movie project for school that
    results in chaos trying to combine stuff from iMovie, animated GIFs,
    ..wmv files, JPEGs, MPEG2 video, and JPG files. They finish the creative
    part, then I'm generally up all night converting files into formats that
    one movie program can work with (either Windows Movie Maker, iMovie, or
    Sony Vegas Studio) then the next morning they assemble all the files
    into the movie, minutes before they have to take the final product to
    school. They used to love iMovie but Apple did some strange things to
    iMovie a couple of years ago. I.e. in iMovie '08 there is no way to save
    a project so you can work on it on a different computer.

    I just could not believe that this was true, but apparently it is, and
    it was explained succinctly by someone like this:

    1. iMovie '08 *only* recognizes projects located in the home folder of
    the startup drive.

    2. If you copy a project to an external drive, iMovie '08 won't
    recognize it. You will have to move it back into its original folder on
    your startup drive to get iMovie to see it.

    3. Project files don't work without the event footage to go with it,
    which is stored in a different folder (on whichever drive you told
    iMovie to put the event). Be very careful moving projects and events
    around manually, because you can break your projects.

    4. iMovie '09 will allow you to easily move projects in a way that
    preserves the event footage to go with it.

    So the solution to a problem that should never have been a problem is to
    buy the new version of iLife!

  12. #12
    Bill Kearney
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    > os x comes with built-in exchange support that enterprise likes to use,
    > along with open source components such as apache and other tools. os x
    > server goes further with a *lot* of tools enterprises want.


    A mail client isn't enterprise support. Nor is a web server.

    Network authentication and policies are, and they're entirely missing from
    Apple.



  13. #13
    John Higdon
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <4c01b986$0$1655$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
    SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    > That's the app that keeps a lot of people buying Macs. Quite a deal
    > compared to Avid, especially when you have no need for the level of
    > functionality that Avid provides.


    More and more studios are switching (or adopting from scratch) Final Cut
    Pro. A friend of mine who owns a video production house (that does
    commercials you've probably seen) used to dismiss Final Cut as a toy.
    That is no longer the case.

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    John Higdon
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  14. #14
    nospam
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <3fGdnVFQ6JgJTJzRnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Bill
    Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > > os x comes with built-in exchange support that enterprise likes to use,
    > > along with open source components such as apache and other tools. os x
    > > server goes further with a *lot* of tools enterprises want.

    >
    > A mail client isn't enterprise support. Nor is a web server.


    exchange support makes it easy to integrate a mac into a corporate
    network that uses exchange, and most companies have web servers, so
    they could use a mac instead of windows there if they wanted to. some
    use apache on linux, so it's a simple transition too.

    > Network authentication and policies are, and they're entirely missing from
    > Apple.


    that's there too.

  15. #15
    John Higdon
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <vgl306ds3j68k6f57fjojtqe1siqctesou@4ax.com>,
    John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > What do you have to back that up?
    > None of the several audio professionals or businesses I know use it.


    As I say, you need to get out more.

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    John Higdon
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  16. #16
    John Higdon
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <290520102002477445%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > > Network authentication and policies are, and they're entirely missing from
    > > Apple.

    >
    > that's there too.


    You bet. Since the Mac rides on top of FreeBSD, anything available for
    Unix is available for the Mac. I have a system that networks four
    ProTools workstations together using nothing but OS utilities, shell
    scripts, and Perl. Rather than being an Apple activity, it became a Unix
    exercise.

    Try that on Windows sometime.

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    John Higdon
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  17. #17
    John Higdon
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    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <46m306hu9hoecuqt7vr0ks3g8l11a0li5d@4ax.com>,
    John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

    > 'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
    > whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'


    You can sure dish it out but you can't take it at all, can you? I have
    been in the audio business for over forty years. I don't know several
    audio production businesses; I know hundreds. All of the broadcasters
    who do heavy enough work to warrant it use ProTools. Same goes for the
    production studios I have worked with, network operations, movie
    studios...just about anyone who does multitrack audio production.

    Not everyone uses it since it isn't cheap, and it has a steep learning
    curve. But it is the industry's foremost digital audio workstation.
    There are many thousands of them throughout the audio world.

    Google is your friend if you want evidence.

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    John Higdon
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    AT&T-Free At Last

  18. #18
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <higgy-57C662.20305229052010@news.announcetech.com>, John
    Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote:

    > In article <46m306hu9hoecuqt7vr0ks3g8l11a0li5d@4ax.com>,
    > John Navas <jnspam1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
    > > 'Those who have evidence will present their evidence,
    > > whereas those who do not have evidence will attack the man.'

    >
    > You can sure dish it out but you can't take it at all, can you? I have
    > been in the audio business for over forty years. I don't know several
    > audio production businesses; I know hundreds. All of the broadcasters
    > who do heavy enough work to warrant it use ProTools. Same goes for the
    > production studios I have worked with, network operations, movie
    > studios...just about anyone who does multitrack audio production.
    >
    > Not everyone uses it since it isn't cheap, and it has a steep learning
    > curve. But it is the industry's foremost digital audio workstation.
    > There are many thousands of them throughout the audio world.
    >
    > Google is your friend if you want evidence.


    he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when challenged.

  19. #19
    John Higdon
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <290520102040444092%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    > he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when challenged.


    His silly comments about ProTools leads me to wonder what other nonsense
    he spouts. He is definitely what we in the technical trade refer to as a
    "front panel" expert.

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  20. #20
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Iphone coming? Was: Qs about Verizon Droid

    In article <higgy-BBD0A5.20481929052010@news.announcetech.com>, John
    Higdon <higgy@kome.com> wrote:

    > > he doesn't. all he does is post silly quotes when challenged.

    >
    > His silly comments about ProTools leads me to wonder what other nonsense
    > he spouts. He is definitely what we in the technical trade refer to as a
    > "front panel" expert.


    very much so.

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