Linksys 54G wireless Problem

[Evodawg]

Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone down.
It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet. Updated firmware
to DD-WRT successfully. Verizon is my ISP and its setup as DCHP. Is there
any test I can run to verify that its broke? BTW, I did have a power outage
a few days ago and the DSL modem went down but all it took to get it up and
running was a reset. Also reset the router to, but still no Internet. Is it
just time to get a new wireless router? Think I'll get the same one,(this
thing has been bullet proof for years and has never dropped signal).. I've
been hearing really bad reviews on the N wireless routers unless you spend
over $150.00.... Running Linux and Apples.
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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:51:49 -0700, Evodawg <richv@nospam.net> wrote:

>Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone down.
>It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet.

Never mind the wireless. What happens when you plug your computah
into an ethernet port? Got connectivity? Can you ping the router?
Can you ping the ISP gateway?

>Updated firmware
>to DD-WRT successfully.

What exact version of DD-WRT?
What hardware version of the WRT54G? (See serial number tag).
There are firmware versions that have problems and combinations that
don't work too well.

>Verizon is my ISP and its setup as DCHP.

So, go unto the status page. Did Verizon successfully give you a DHCP
assigned IP address, gateway, and DNS server?

>Is there
>any test I can run to verify that its broke?

No. However, there are some tests you can run to verify that it's
working. As previously mentioned, take the wireless out of the
picture and check just the router to internet connection with ping. If
that fails, plug your computah directly into your DSL modem and try
pinging from there. If you have a spare computah, you might use that
to verify that your Linux/Mac/whatever is working.

Incidentally, check the wall wart power supply. I've seen some
failures. Some get really hot and partially fail (check with
voltmeter). They're easy to recognize as the white label usually
turns brown from the heat.

>BTW, I did have a power outage
>a few days ago and the DSL modem went down but all it took to get it up and
>running was a reset.

Reset like in punching the reset button on the modem? If you had any
saved settings, they're gone now.

>Also reset the router to, but still no Internet.

DD-WRT doesn't really respond to the reset button. It can be disabled
in the firmware. Since you also shuffled the deck by doing a firmware
upgrade, you might want to do the reset to defaults from the web based
menu.

>Is it
>just time to get a new wireless router?

It's 9:30AM. This is a bit early to go shopping. Perhaps later in
the day.

>Think I'll get the same one,(this
>thing has been bullet proof for years and has never dropped signal)..

WRT54G boxes are fairly good, but not all versions. V5 and V6
hardware are useless junk (not enough RAM for the full DD-WRT). V7 is
based on an Atheros chipset that doesn't like DD-WRT. Some versions
have non-removable antennas:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series>
Caveat emptor.

>I've
>been hearing really bad reviews on the N wireless routers unless you spend
>over $150.00.... Running Linux and Apples.

Hopefully, you've been reading such things as hearing voices is a
symptom of too much computing and RF. I have my own opinions about
802.11n. Basically, if you want or need speed for things like
streaming video or local machine to machine file transfers, 802.11n is
what you want. However, you don't get speed for free. You lose range
and reliability with increased speed. So, if you want a stable,
reliable, but modestly fast connection, stay with 802.11g.

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[Evodawg]

Kimmy Boyer wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:51:49 -0700, Evodawg wrote:
>
>> Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone
>> down.
>
> Sounds like my hubby.
>
> <sigh>

I hope after 5 years it was good for him and you!

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[Rick]

On 5/29/2010 10:51 AM, Evodawg wrote:
> Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone down.
> It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet. Updated firmware
> to DD-WRT successfully. Verizon is my ISP and its setup as DCHP. Is there
> any test I can run to verify that its broke? BTW, I did have a power outage
> a few days ago and the DSL modem went down but all it took to get it up and
> running was a reset. Also reset the router to, but still no Internet. Is it
> just time to get a new wireless router? Think I'll get the same one,(this
> thing has been bullet proof for years and has never dropped signal).. I've
> been hearing really bad reviews on the N wireless routers unless you spend
> over $150.00.... Running Linux and Apples.
not true you can get a good N router for around 100.00 (US) I paid about
100.00 for a D-Link D655. Works great.

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[Evodawg]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:51:49 -0700, Evodawg <richv@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone
>>down. It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet.
>
> Never mind the wireless. What happens when you plug your computah
> into an ethernet port? Got connectivity? Can you ping the router?
> Can you ping the ISP gateway?

Works fine through the DSL modem. Once the wireless is connected no
internet.
>
>>Updated firmware
>>to DD-WRT successfully.
>
> What exact version of DD-WRT?
> What hardware version of the WRT54G? (See serial number tag).
> There are firmware versions that have problems and combinations that
> don't work too well.

Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (10/10/09) mini

WRT54G V3.1
>
>>Verizon is my ISP and its setup as DCHP.
>
> So, go unto the status page. Did Verizon successfully give you a DHCP
> assigned IP address, gateway, and DNS server?

yes
DSL Modem:
Connection Name Status DHCP Lease Information
Server: 71.104.233.1
Routed Bridge UP Obtained: SUN MAY 30 01:23:22 2010 (GMT)
Expires: SUN MAY 30 03:23:22 2010 (GMT)

>
>>Is there
>>any test I can run to verify that its broke?
>
> No. However, there are some tests you can run to verify that it's
> working. As previously mentioned, take the wireless out of the
> picture and check just the router to internet connection with ping. If
> that fails, plug your computah directly into your DSL modem and try
> pinging from there. If you have a spare computah, you might use that
> to verify that your Linux/Mac/whatever is working.

Linux is working fine

Ping dsl modem
45 packets transmitted, 45 received, 0% packet loss, time 44980ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.727/0.753/0.868/0.038 ms

Ping wireless router
23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 22421ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.751/0.851/2.282/0.308 ms

Doesnt seem as though I'm getting a gateway.

Ping IP address
PING 71.104.233.193 (71.104.233.193) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=4 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=5 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=6 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=8 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=8 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=9 Destination Host Unreachable
>
> Incidentally, check the wall wart power supply. I've seen some
> failures. Some get really hot and partially fail (check with
> voltmeter). They're easy to recognize as the white label usually
> turns brown from the heat.
This is running very cool, it barely feels warm

>
>>BTW, I did have a power outage
>>a few days ago and the DSL modem went down but all it took to get it up
>>and running was a reset.
>
> Reset like in punching the reset button on the modem? If you had any
> saved settings, they're gone now.

Yes I know but think the only thing I need to reset was the bridge on the
DSL modem.
>
>>Also reset the router to, but still no Internet.
>
> DD-WRT doesn't really respond to the reset button. It can be disabled
> in the firmware. Since you also shuffled the deck by doing a firmware
> upgrade, you might want to do the reset to defaults from the web based
> menu.
>

Loaded DD-WRT after the power spike.
>>Is it
>>just time to get a new wireless router?
>
> It's 9:30AM. This is a bit early to go shopping. Perhaps later in
> the day.
>
>>Think I'll get the same one,(this
>>thing has been bullet proof for years and has never dropped signal)..
>
> WRT54G boxes are fairly good, but not all versions. V5 and V6
> hardware are useless junk (not enough RAM for the full DD-WRT). V7 is
> based on an Atheros chipset that doesn't like DD-WRT. Some versions
> have non-removable antennas:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series>
> Caveat emptor.
>
>>I've
>>been hearing really bad reviews on the N wireless routers unless you spend
>>over $150.00.... Running Linux and Apples.

Actually reading......
>
> Hopefully, you've been reading such things as hearing voices is a
> symptom of too much computing and RF. I have my own opinions about
> 802.11n. Basically, if you want or need speed for things like
> streaming video or local machine to machine file transfers, 802.11n is
> what you want. However, you don't get speed for free. You lose range
> and reliability with increased speed. So, if you want a stable,
> reliable, but modestly fast connection, stay with 802.11g.
>

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[Tony Hwang]

Rick wrote:
> On 5/29/2010 10:51 AM, Evodawg wrote:
>> Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone
>> down.
>> It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet. Updated
>> firmware
>> to DD-WRT successfully. Verizon is my ISP and its setup as DCHP. Is there
>> any test I can run to verify that its broke? BTW, I did have a power
>> outage
>> a few days ago and the DSL modem went down but all it took to get it
>> up and
>> running was a reset. Also reset the router to, but still no Internet.
>> Is it
>> just time to get a new wireless router? Think I'll get the same one,(this
>> thing has been bullet proof for years and has never dropped signal)..
>> I've
>> been hearing really bad reviews on the N wireless routers unless you
>> spend
>> over $150.00.... Running Linux and Apples.
> not true you can get a good N router for around 100.00 (US) I paid about
> 100.00 for a D-Link D655. Works great.
>
Hi,
Ditto. I like DIR-655 very much wgen I had it. Now I am on different
brand dual bander with dd-wrt..

[Tony Hwang]

Ricwrote:
> On 5/29/2010 10:51 AM, Evodawg wrote:
>> Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone
>> down.
>> It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet. Updated
>> firmware
>> to DD-WRT successfully. Verizon is my ISP and its setup as DCHP. Is there
>> any test I can run to verify that its broke? BTW, I did have a power
>> outage
>> a few days ago and the DSL modem went down but all it took to get it
>> up and
>> running was a reset. Also reset the router to, but still no Internet.
>> Is it
>> just time to get a new wireless router? Think I'll get the same one,(this
>> thing has been bullet proof for years and has never dropped signal)..
>> I've
>> been hearing really bad reviews on the N wireless routers unless you
>> spend
>> over $150.00.... Running Linux and Apples.
> not true you can get a good N router for around 100.00 (US) I paid about
> 100.00 for a D-Link D655. Works great.
>
Hi,
Ditto on DIR-655. I liked it very much when I had it. Moved onto dual
bander of different brand with dd-wrt.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 29 May 2010 19:48:16 -0700, Evodawg <richv@nospam.net> wrote:

>Works fine through the DSL modem.

Ok, so you have connectivity. When you switch between a direct
computer to DSL modem connection, to installing the WRT54G in between,
please power cycle the modem so that it picks up the MAC address from
the router.

>Once the wireless is connected no
>internet.

Read what I wrote. Please forget about wireless for now. Do your
testing with a CAT5 cable from your computah to the router. Once
that's working, you can work on the wireless part of the puzzle.

>> What exact version of DD-WRT?

>Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (10/10/09) mini

1. Don't use mini. That's fine for an initial load, but I'm very
suspicious of the mini version, which doesn't get as much testing at
the STD version.

2. As John mentioned, there are problems with some of the
"recommended" firmware versions. What's your build number? John
recommends build 12533. I just checked a few of mine and that also
the built I'm running. Except for erratic PPTP VPN disconnects, it's
stable. Incidentally, I'm not using STD. I prefer NoKaid so that I
pickup a few KBytes more working RAM.

>WRT54G V3.1

Good hardware version. That should work fine.

>Ping dsl modem
>45 packets transmitted, 45 received, 0% packet loss, time 44980ms
>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.727/0.753/0.868/0.038 ms
>
>Ping wireless router
>23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 22421ms
>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.751/0.851/2.282/0.308 ms
>
>Doesnt seem as though I'm getting a gateway.

It also doesn't seem like I'm getting through.
IP address, netmask, gateway, and DNS. You just supplied the IP
address. Go to the web page config.
Status -> WAN
You'll find the numbers at the top of the page.

>Ping IP address
>PING 71.104.233.193 (71.104.233.193) 56(84) bytes of data.
>From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
>From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
>From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable

That's weird. I've seen that before but can't recall the cause.
According to Cisco, that's caused when:
The interface on which the packet comes into the router
is the same interface on which the packet gets routed out.
or
The subnet or network of the source IP address is on the same
subnet or network of the next-hop IP address of the routed packet.
and some other stuff that's specific to Cisco IOS. I would guess it's
the first, which is a wiring error. My guess(tm) is that you have
both the DSL modem and the Linux box plugged into the LAN ports on the
router. Did you or someone juggle cables just before the router
failed?

>Yes I know but think the only thing I need to reset was the bridge on the
>DSL modem.

Yep. Now, if I knew the make and model of the DSL modem, I might be
able to confirm that it's really a bridging type DSL modem, and not
the usual AT&T supplied DSL modem with a crude form of NAT that screws
everything up. I have no idea what Verizon normally provides.

>Loaded DD-WRT after the power spike.

Ok. Did you RESET the router after you loaded DD-WRT? That's an
option when you install it. I've had problems moving config files
between versions. I sometimes have to clear the router and re-renter
everything from scratch by hand (not from the previous config file).
This sucks, but that's what was necessary to make things work a few
times.

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[alexd]

On 30/05/10 06:52, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 19:48:16 -0700, Evodawg<richv@nospam.net> wrote:

>> Ping dsl modem
>> 45 packets transmitted, 45 received, 0% packet loss, time 44980ms
>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.727/0.753/0.868/0.038 ms
>>
>> Ping wireless router
>> 23 packets transmitted, 23 received, 0% packet loss, time 22421ms
>> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.751/0.851/2.282/0.308 ms

Shame you elided the relevant IP addresses here.

>> Ping IP address
>> PING 71.104.233.193 (71.104.233.193) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
>> From 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 71.104.233.193)
>> From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable

> The subnet or network of the source IP address is on the same
> subnet or network of the next-hop IP address of the routed packet.
> and some other stuff that's specific to Cisco IOS. I would guess it's
> the first, which is a wiring error. My guess(tm) is that you have
> both the DSL modem and the Linux box plugged into the LAN ports on the
> router. Did you or someone juggle cables just before the router
> failed?

That's the most likely explanation in a 'simple' topology like a home
broadband connection. The fact that you get a new nexthop of the address
you're trying to ping implies you're in the same subnet as your
destination. Have you perhaps plugged the LAN and the WAN in the wrong
way round?

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[Evodawg]

Kimmy Boyer wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 19:48:16 -0700, Evodawg wrote:
>
>> Linux is working fine
>
> But what about penis? Scrww Linux.

No screw you!
>
> OK, where is he, I'll do him. I'm desperate. <sigh>

Sounds like a personal problem.

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[Evodawg]

John Navas wrote:

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 19:48:16 -0700, Evodawg <richv@nospam.net> wrote in
> <htsjlk$na$1@news.eternal-september.org>:
>
>>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 08:51:49 -0700, Evodawg <richv@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Had this wireless router for at least 5 years and just lately its gone
>>>>down. It transmits but seems not to want to connect to Internet.
>>>
>>> Never mind the wireless. What happens when you plug your computah
>>> into an ethernet port? Got connectivity? Can you ping the router?
>>> Can you ping the ISP gateway?
>>
>>Works fine through the DSL modem. Once the wireless is connected no
>>internet.
>>>
>>>>Updated firmware
>>>>to DD-WRT successfully.
>>>
>>> What exact version of DD-WRT?
>>> What hardware version of the WRT54G? (See serial number tag).
>>> There are firmware versions that have problems and combinations that
>>> don't work too well.
>>
>>Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (10/10/09) mini
>
> Known bad version. Use Build 12533 instead.
> See my thread "WARNING: Known bad versions of DD-WRT in the database!"
>
Thanks, I installed the build you suggested. Still no internet. Looking to
buy new wireless router.
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