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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    No, you are in denial. There is no comparison. Clearly obama has played the bush blame game ad nauseum and Bush let the chips fall where they may by acknowledging a recession. You know what? I've given my side of this discussion. And I have not attacked you on what is beneath you. You are using me to dodge bullets. It's okay.
    Bush blamed Clinton. That is a fact. It's disappointing that you can't acknowledge that Bush did blame Clinton. Admitting that doesn't make you a lesser person. Frankly this comes across like debates with Sava. No matter how much evidence is shown to disprove a point there is this idea that a wrong can't be admitted. I will never understand that line of thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    Let's begin with your data. What data supports your theory that terrorism is an existential threat to the US? I think we should start there because it's the sole basis for your support of the Patriot Act.


    I will show you that terrorism is not an existential threat to the US and therefore the Patriot Act is unnecessary.
    Okay, I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    Okay, I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I'm all ears.
    Seems he was asking you what your data was.

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    For what it's worth Sarahnn I apologize to you if I made you feel insulted. That was not my intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brembo View Post
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    No, not at all man. I'm just offering up my viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    For what it's worth Sarahnn I apologize to you if I made you feel insulted. That was not my intent.
    It's okay, no apology necessary.

    You know, I think that the difference between Bush blaming Clinton and Obama blaming Bush is that Bush did not drive the point home to Americans that Clinton had been a detriment to this country overall.

    Clearly that is what obama is about. In impugning a past president to the degree that obama has worked publically to do, it is a reflection on our voting process, our Congress, the office itself and compromises anything that a past administration did accomplish.

    Obama uses many of bush's initiatives and obama continues to tear the last president down as though bush caused the darkest days in our country's history. Obama has very little character in my book. I'm not young, I'm certainly not stupid and I was encouraged when a black citizen took office as President. I think I make good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Seems he was asking you what your data was.
    hmmmm, maybe I misunderstood him. He said, "I will show you that terrorism is not an existential threat to the US and therefore the Patriot Act is unnecessary.".

    I need to be shown because I'm not sure where he's coming from. So, therefore, I'm all ears!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    It's okay, no apology necessary.

    You know, I think that the difference between Bush blaming Clinton and Obama blaming Bush is that Bush did not drive the point home to Americans that Clinton had been a detriment to this country overall.

    Clearly that is what obama is about. In impugning a past president to the degree that obama has worked publically to do, it is a reflection on our voting process, our Congress, the office itself and compromises anything that a past administration did accomplish.

    Obama uses many of bush's initiatives and obama continues to tear the last president down as though bush caused the darkest days in our country's history. Obama has very little character in my book. I'm not young, I'm certainly not stupid and I was encouraged when a black citizen took office as President. I think I make good points.
    I think you make good points also. I am not happy with the ongoing criticism Obama offered up at Bush although he has at times been correct. It's something he certainly needs to overcome. The point I was trying to make is Bush wasn't immune to criticizing other Presidents either. Not that his doing that condones Obama doing the same thing because it doesn't.

    Anyway, I appreciate your understanding where I was coming from and not getting upset with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    I think you make good points also. I am not happy with the ongoing criticism Obama offered up at Bush although he has at times been correct. It's something he certainly needs to overcome. The point I was trying to make is Bush wasn't immune to criticizing other Presidents either. Not that his doing that condones Obama doing the same thing because it doesn't.

    Anyway, I appreciate your understanding where I was coming from and not getting upset with me.
    I know you, Roody. If I did get upset, it would not be a reflection on you, but on my inability to handle differing views. But, I admit, sometimes I'm guilty as charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    Okay, I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I'm all ears.

    Show me your data first. I would like to see the data which you drew your conclusion from. So let's start with you. In turn, I will show you the data that I drew my conclusion from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    Show me your data first. I would like to see the data which you drew your conclusion from. So let's start with you. In turn, I will show you the data that I drew my conclusion from.
    I have no data.

    You made the statement "Terrorism isn't an existential threat to the United States. Period."

    Then you asked, "Would you like to trade data on this?"

    The onus is on you to defend your statement with the data you promised. If I don't agree with that data, I will be happy to provide counter data to support my disagreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    I have no data.

    You made the statement "Terrorism isn't an existential threat to the United States. Period."

    Then you asked, "Would you like to trade data on this?"

    The onus is on you to defend your statement with the data you promised. If I don't agree with that data, I will be happy to provide counter data to support my disagreement.

    No. Go back and read your statement regarding the Patriot Act.

    I think that those who disapprove of the patriot act have no knowledge of what it actually contains, nor how it works on behalf of U.S. citizens, not against them.

    This is also one of the most bipartisan pieces of legislation in action today. And it is aimed corrrectly at terrorists. It was conceived after the Oklahoma bombing and refined and buiilt upon until Bush finally signed it into action.

    It is upon you to provide data because of your assertion which I disagreed with. What data do you have that you based your support of the Patriot Act on with regards to terrorists? If you concede the point and amend your statement that the Patriot Act is bunk...this can end here.

    Do you really believe that terrorism is an existential threat to the US and therefore the Patriot Act is necessary? Why? How did you come to that conclusion or was your decision made out of blind support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52 View Post
    I agree, what I'm referring to are his statements of changing politics in Washington during his campaign. He has done nothing but the same old thing but even worse in my opinion. I think ALL politicians are liars, Republican and Democrats, I choose the lesser of the evils and my beliefs tend to side with Republicans more than Democrats. But Obama is in a different league than other Democratic Presidents of the past, to me he is VERY liberal and is trying to take this country in the wrong direction. The governments job is to govern not completely own and control as in a socialist countries. His mindset is very socialistic (if that's a word), the whole Government Healthcare is what he will be remembered for more than anything..... it's not the governments place to provide me or anyone else with healthcare, it's MY responsibility to provide myself and my family with healthcare. I don't have a problem with the government stepping to to "govern" the way many things are done with healthcare, to help make it more competitive and fair.... but they have no business running it as they want to do.

    Look at it from this perspective...while I agree that it is your responsibility to provide for your own healthcare, insurance companies can DENY you health insurance for bogus reasons just so that they can increase profit margins.

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    I like to think of our government as a Democratic-Republic.

    Meaning (in my opinion)...
    The government shall abid by the will of the people UNLESS it infringes upon the rights of the individual.

    I'm feeling infringed upon by the social programs I pay for, never use and others abuse.

    I doubt this healthcare bill will be any different.
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    This thread is totally useless without data folks......come on....I want data

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    Look at it from this perspective...while I agree that it is your responsibility to provide for your own healthcare, insurance companies can DENY you health insurance for bogus reasons just so that they can increase profit margins.
    I know, that's why I said I don't have a problem with them "governing" healthcare to make fair and competitive but actually running the healthcare system is not the governments responsibility.
    Last edited by mnosteele52; 03-12-10 at 04:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    Look at it from this perspective...while I agree that it is your responsibility to provide for your own healthcare, insurance companies can DENY you health insurance for bogus reasons just so that they can increase profit margins.
    "Just" so they can increase profit margins? That's what business is about. To make a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyOneDoofy View Post
    I like to think of our government as a Democratic-Republic.

    Meaning (in my opinion)...
    The government shall abid by the will of the people UNLESS it infringes upon the rights of the individual.

    I'm feeling infringed upon by the social programs I pay for, never use and others abuse.

    I doubt this healthcare bill will be any different.
    You make points worthy of consideration. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    "Just" so they can increase profit margins? That's what business is about. To make a profit.

    I'm not going to entertain the tangents until we address the first issue with you.

    First and foremost, I think you are being a bit disingenuous. Let me show you why I feel that way...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarahnn View Post
    I have no data.

    I will be happy to provide counter data to support my disagreement.
    C'mon Sara...either you do or you don't. Pick one and let's get on with it. What data do you have that supports the justification of the Patriot Act?

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