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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    oh i see, so make the USA a socialist country and have me pay for people who can't learn to save money and take care of themselves, sure thing bud
    This response proves my point. You do realize that the world isn't always black and white correct? Who said anything about not saving? As hard as this may be to believe not everybody with financial issues is a bum. They can set money aside and it can still be an issue.

    Instead of the constant screams of socialism why not have our leaders come up with a way to ensure people can get health insurance without going broke. Is wanting for all people to be able to afford health insurance really that bad a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightowl View Post
    If he has the money to spend to get better treatment down south, then by all means go down south. means the tax payers in Canada don't have to foot the bill.

    I rather get good free health care then have the best care money can buy and have to pay for it the rest of my life. I see all these stories of people who have heart attacks and end up losing there house cause they lose there jobs and are no longer covered by there medical insurance down in the states.
    Where did you ever get the idea our health care is free. We are getting to where half our GDP is going toward health care.

    All my working life I have paid health care premiums. Until this year we in Alberta have had to pay about $150 a month for basic health care. On top of that I usually had extra insurance to help pay for drugs, dental and other extras. Not free, but I know if I get sick I can go to any hospital and will not get turned away.

    We do have a pretty good social system, by the fact that even if you have not paid insurance you will not get turned away.

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    Both my girlfriend and I have had our lives saved by surgeries that have costed over $100,000.

    Free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutch View Post
    Both my girlfriend and I have had our lives saved by surgeries that have costed over $100,000.

    Free.
    i'm glad you both are doing well, but someone had to pay for that, ummmmmm taxes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutch View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    oh i see, so make the USA a socialist country and have me pay for people who can't learn to save money and take care of themselves, sure thing bud
    Who pays for your local fire department? What about the police department? Garbage collection? Do you have those things where you live? What about the military? Who's paying their wage? I think your politicians are on a decent salary too, where's their money coming from? Where's the funding coming from for your infrastructure maintenance (roads, masts, public buildings, etc)? Man, I'd like to live in a country where I don't have to pay towards anything! Where do you live!? Fairytale land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JawZ View Post
    We were 11 on the list. 10 other countries, some of them with socialized healthcare systems fared much better than the US.
    Yeah...kinda like number 8...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    oh i see, so make the USA a socialist country and have me pay for people who can't learn to save money and take care of themselves, sure thing bud
    So how much do you have saved up in case you or someone in your family develops cancer, some other horrible and costly disease, or or is disabled?

    Its a lot more involved than just saving money.

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    They had a story about this on the news, and it seem there are a number of hospitals in Canada that can do this operation. I still think he just wanted to recuperate in a warmer climate.

    There have even been suggestions the Danny will ask Newfoundland's health system to pay for the operation.


    Only in Canada, Eh.

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    That's a bit ironic, as ancient Attica and the other poleis fell to Macedonian rule largely due to their stubbornly independent mindset.
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    No answer to YoS' question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklab View Post
    You mean as compared to the millions living below the border who have none.

    Everyone in our country has access to healthcare, via free clinics and emergency rooms. Even folks from other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybotron r_9 View Post
    Everyone in our country has access to healthcare, via free clinics and emergency rooms. Even folks from other countries.

    Is access really the crux of the debate? Should people go into debt in order to get treatment?

    Again, I have to say that the entire healthcare debate is flawed. We should be focusing on how to prevent the NEED for healthcare. Promote a culture of healthy living. When the demand for healthcare goes down, so will the costs. Supply and demand. Right now demand outweighs supply. Driving down costs allows more people to have access without burdening the tax base. What is so damn absurd about that? The beautiful thing is...it's all up to us! We have the power to change.

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    I have friends who just came back from a two year job in Indonesia. Things are a little different there. The wife of their gardener went into the hospital to have a baby and ended up having a problem that caused her to stay an extra two days. In order for them to take the baby home they had to pay $500US. If they did not pay, the hospital would have keep the baby. When you only make $180US a month, $500 is a lot to come up with.

    My friend ended up paying to get the kid out.

    Last year my friend got an infection and had to be in the hospital for about a week. It was a good thing he has a wife because she was the only one to take care of him. For two days he was pretty much unconscious and when she came to see him in the mid-morning she found him still laying there in his excrement from the night before. If she had not cleaned him up no telling how long he would have laid there.

    Probably compared to a lot of countries we have pretty good care even when it is bad.

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