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    Spying via Webcam

    Well this story is rather disturbing and even though the people suing the school district and have proof from a Administrator that showed a picture of the kid in question from the webcam, the school is till claiming they didn't do it.

    Its like getting a picture of your hands in the cookie jar and your smiling face behind it then saying you didn't do it.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...html?tag=stack

    The family that sued to get a suburban Pennsylvania school district to stop secretly viewing students at home via webcams on school-issued laptops is blasting the practice, though it's been halted.

    Officials of the Lower Merion School District, outside Philadelphia, acknowledged Friday that they remotely activated webcams 42 times in the past 14 months, but only to find missing laptops given to students. They insist they never did so to spy on students, as the family of 16-year-old Blake Robbins claimed in the federal lawsuit.

    The district has suspended the practice amid the lawsuit and the accompanying uproar from students, the community and privacy advocates.

    And the family's lawyer, Mark Haltzman, told "Early Show Saturday Edition" co-anchor Erica Hill he's been informed that the FBI has opened a criminal investigation of the webcam use.

    A source told The Associated Press the bureau is exploring whether the district broke any federal wiretap or computer-intrusion laws.

    Hill says school officials haven't responded to a request from CBS News for reaction to word of the FBI probe.

    Haltzman says the family filed suit only to get the remote webam use stopped.

    Blake Robbins, the teen at the center of the controversy, told Hill it all began when Harriton High School administrators falsely accused him of selling drugs and taking pills; then said they had webcam images to prove it.

    Blake says the pictures are of him eating candies.
    I hope they get a pile load of money out of it, but as with most school districts in the country they prob don't have much to begin with. I hope the judge requires them to remove the camera's from each laptop.

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    Why do school need to give laptops to students?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    Why do school need to give laptops to students?
    My nephew has one issued from his school instead of books, all his assignments and work are done on the issued laptop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sava700 View Post
    I hope they get a pile load of money out of it, but as with most school districts in the country they prob don't have much to begin with. I hope the judge requires them to remove the camera's from each laptop.
    According to my wife, the school is likely to get away scott-free. They made a claim that they were just "tracking lost laptops," and are going to be presumed to be innocent. That, and the school likely keeps copies of the videos they viewed from the webcams.

    Of course, when dealing with a school, all rules of logic are broken anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnosteele52 View Post
    My nephew has one issued from his school instead of books, all his assignments and work are done on the issued laptop.
    Seems like an awkward replacement for books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paft View Post
    According to my wife, the school is likely to get away scott-free. They made a claim that they were just "tracking lost laptops," and are going to be presumed to be innocent. That, and the school likely keeps copies of the videos they viewed from the webcams.

    Of course, when dealing with a school, all rules of logic are broken anyway.
    Not likely completely scott free. The kid that got the ball rolling on this was facing punishment for something he may or may not have done outside of school. The school's responsibility for students ends the second they step off school grounds or get off the bus. Pending the outcome of the FBI probe, the district could face some pretty stiff repercussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CiscoKid View Post
    Not likely completely scott free. The kid that got the ball rolling on this was facing punishment for something he may or may not have done outside of school. The school's responsibility for students ends the second they step off school grounds or get off the bus. Pending the outcome of the FBI probe, the district could face some pretty stiff repercussions.
    School staff are mandatory reporters. If they come across something illegal in the line of legitimate duty, they are legally required to report it.

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    a piece of information we don't have is wether or not the AUP regarding the laptops stated that they reserved the right to active the cams. If it doesn't, any evidence of criminal activity would be inadmissable. This is what the FBI probe seems to be looking into. Since the FBI have gotten involved, it doesn't sound like they reserved that right. And as one article stated, MANY girls wou use the laptops to listen to music while getting ready for school, walking in and out of private bathrooms. That part of it sickens me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paft View Post
    ... in the line of legitimate duty...
    The issue then becomes whether it was within their legal rights to monitor students outside of their jurisdiction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiscoKid View Post
    a piece of information we don't have is wether or not the AUP regarding the laptops stated that they reserved the right to active the cams. If it doesn't, any evidence of criminal activity would be inadmissable. This is what the FBI probe seems to be looking into. Since the FBI have gotten involved, it doesn't sound like they reserved that right. And as one article stated, MANY girls wou use the laptops to listen to music while getting ready for school, walking in and out of private bathrooms. That part of it sickens me!

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    Some AUPs may be inadmissible as well, if they don't adhere to all laws/regulations all the way up to the right of privacy in the Constutution, such as privacy of the person and possessions against unreasonable searches (4th Amendment), and privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information (5th Amendment)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    Why do school need to give laptops to students?
    Lots of school have moved to this..Kindles and Smartboards and laptops. Many reasons for the move to all electronic.

    Not to defend the use of the cam outside of school property though.
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    When your not using the camera put a piece of black tape over it, problem solved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbow View Post
    When your not using the camera put a piece of black tape over it, problem solved...
    I do believe most have done this since the issue came up from what I read.

    The thing is most cams now on laptops have a little light that comes on when they are active... I wonder if these have them or kids just didn't pay attention to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
    Lots of school have moved to this..Kindles and Smartboards and laptops. Many reasons for the move to all electronic.

    Not to defend the use of the cam outside of school property though.
    Yes, I suppose there are many reasons for a move to electronic. But the Kidles make more sense then a laptop, keep it simple and straight to the point I say. I mean why do they even need web cams?

    I myself still like to turn towards a book if I want to have a fuller understanding of a subject, as they are much easier to read from then a laptop. If I had an electronic book I might use that, but books are cheaper and they don't require batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    Yes, I suppose there are many reasons for a move to electronic. But the Kidles make more sense then a laptop, keep it simple and straight to the point I say. I mean why do they even need web cams?
    A lot of schools are turning to "interactive online classrooms"..especially more specialized smaller magnet schools and private schools. The class will hunker down on their laptops, and log onto some online class out there on the internet, interacting with each other and with the teacher(s) via the webcam, voice, etc. Pretty neat stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
    A lot of schools are turning to "interactive online classrooms"..especially more specialized smaller magnet schools and private schools. The class will hunker down on their laptops, and log onto some online class out there on the internet, interacting with each other and with the teacher(s) via the webcam, voice, etc. Pretty neat stuff.
    But is an online classroom a healthier learning environment then live person to person interaction? Also, I still don't understand why they need the web-cams, it seems to me the online schooling could be done without them.
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    The student was engaged in the nefarious activity of eating Mike and Ike's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    But is an online classroom a healthier learning environment then live person to person interaction? Also, I still don't understand why they need the web-cams, it seems to me the online schooling could be done without them.
    When I did Calculus AB/BC (both in the same year), we had a televised classroom. Being able to see the other people in the class was amazingly fun, and it added an element of actually being a class that a computer screen alone wouldn't have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyboycool View Post
    But is an online classroom a healthier learning environment then live person to person interaction? Also, I still don't understand why they need the web-cams, it seems to me the online schooling could be done without them.
    My take on it..they can participate in learning environments outside of their classroom, with specialists, experts. Almost like a field trip to go study in another school with another teacher. Expanding the horizon, expanding the mind. This isn't to replace the day in and day out English and Math class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat View Post
    My take on it..they can participate in learning environments outside of their classroom, with specialists, experts. Almost like a field trip to go study in another school with another teacher. Expanding the horizon, expanding the mind. This isn't to replace the day in and day out English and Math class.

    "Expanding the horizon, expanding the mind. "


    Books will do this as well, a well fostered interest and habit in reading is one of greatest educational gifts you can give a kid. But I guess it does not really matter, just as long as the kids are inspired to learn. It is my belief that instilling a desire to learn is more important then the actual learning.

    A side question: Do you know if any of these ebooks come with a dictionary with vocal pronunciation? Something like Answers.com on a ebooks, but of course without the Internet.
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