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  1. #1
    bitz
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    strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    N settings?


    Any ideas?

  2. #2
    alexd
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    Meanwhile, at the alt.internet.wireless Job Justification Hearings, bitz
    chose the tried and tested strategy of:

    > With encription turned off
    > it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    > turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    > the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    > to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    > WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings


    Update firmware on the router and make sure you've got the latest wireless
    drivers. Try either a different router or a different client PC/wireless
    adapter to prove it off.

    --
    <http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) (UnSoEsNpEaTm@ale.cx)
    18:36:37 up 21:38, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.01
    DIMENSION-CONTROLLING FORT DOH HAS NOW BEEN DEMOLISHED,
    AND TIME STARTED FLOWING REVERSELY


  3. #3
    Tony Hwang
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    bitz wrote:
    > Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    > is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    > Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    > with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    > has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    > just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    > it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    > turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    > the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    > to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    > WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    > if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    > N settings?
    >
    >
    > Any ideas?

    Hi,
    I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.


  4. #4
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    > bitz wrote:
    >> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    >> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    >> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    >> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >> N settings?
    >>
    >>
    >> Any ideas?

    > Hi,
    > I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    > radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >

    It was a function of the 802.11n draft.

    "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP or
    TKIP as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods (e.g.
    WEP, WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer Intel®
    wireless adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE 802.11g
    connection rather than failing to connect altogether, which complies
    with the IEEE 802.11n draft."
    <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>

  5. #5
    ps56k
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop


    "Bob" <bob@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:ldydne61w6JnCcTWnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
    > On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    >> bitz wrote:
    >>> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >>> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >>> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >>> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >>> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    >>> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    >>> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >>> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >>> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >>> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >>> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    >>> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >>> N settings?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas?

    >> Hi,
    >> I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    >> radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >>

    > It was a function of the 802.11n draft.
    >
    > "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP or TKIP
    > as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods (e.g. WEP,
    > WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer Intel® wireless
    > adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE 802.11g connection
    > rather than failing to connect altogether, which complies with the IEEE
    > 802.11n draft."
    > <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>


    wow - thanks for posting -
    will have to remember that for future....
    does the actual "N" spec now allow for these encryptions ?



  6. #6
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    news:hjdhu7$jkv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Bob" <bob@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:ldydne61w6JnCcTWnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
    >> On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    >>> bitz wrote:
    >>>> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >>>> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >>>> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >>>> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >>>> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    >>>> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    >>>> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >>>> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >>>> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >>>> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >>>> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    >>>> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >>>> N settings?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Any ideas?
    >>> Hi,
    >>> I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    >>> radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >>>

    >> It was a function of the 802.11n draft.
    >>
    >> "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP or TKIP
    >> as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods (e.g. WEP,
    >> WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer Intelļæ½ wireless
    >> adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE 802.11g connection
    >> rather than failing to connect altogether, which complies with the IEEE
    >> 802.11n draft."
    >> <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>

    >
    > wow - thanks for posting -
    > will have to remember that for future....
    > does the actual "N" spec now allow for these encryptions ?
    >
    >


    What actual N spec? it's still in draft, final specs aren't/defined approved
    yet....


  7. #7
    ps56k
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop


    "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in message
    news:NuKdnfhH0_CjEcfWnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    > "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    > news:hjdhu7$jkv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>
    >> "Bob" <bob@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:ldydne61w6JnCcTWnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
    >>> On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    >>>> bitz wrote:
    >>>>> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >>>>> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >>>>> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >>>>> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >>>>> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    >>>>> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    >>>>> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >>>>> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >>>>> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >>>>> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >>>>> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    >>>>> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >>>>> N settings?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Any ideas?
    >>>> Hi,
    >>>> I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    >>>> radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >>>>
    >>> It was a function of the 802.11n draft.
    >>>
    >>> "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP or
    >>> TKIP as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods (e.g.
    >>> WEP, WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer Intel?
    >>> wireless adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE 802.11g
    >>> connection rather than failing to connect altogether, which complies
    >>> with the IEEE 802.11n draft."
    >>> <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>

    >>
    >> wow - thanks for posting -
    >> will have to remember that for future....
    >> does the actual "N" spec now allow for these encryptions ?
    >>
    >>

    >
    > What actual N spec? it's still in draft, final specs aren't/defined
    > approved yet....


    hey Tinker Bell -
    do you ever have anything useful to add to a discussion ?
    or just the slings & arrows...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009#Timeline



  8. #8
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    On 23/01/2010 01:04, ps56k wrote:
    > "Bob"<bob@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:ldydne61w6JnCcTWnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
    >> On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    >>> bitz wrote:
    >>>> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >>>> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >>>> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >>>> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >>>> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned on
    >>>> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned off
    >>>> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >>>> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >>>> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >>>> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >>>> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    >>>> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >>>> N settings?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Any ideas?
    >>> Hi,
    >>> I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    >>> radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >>>

    >> It was a function of the 802.11n draft.
    >>
    >> "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP or TKIP
    >> as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods (e.g. WEP,
    >> WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer Intel® wireless
    >> adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE 802.11g connection
    >> rather than failing to connect altogether, which complies with the IEEE
    >> 802.11n draft."
    >> <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>

    >
    > wow - thanks for posting -
    > will have to remember that for future....
    > does the actual "N" spec now allow for these encryptions ?
    >
    >

    I'm far too mean to purchase a copy of the standard but as far as the HT
    option is concerned the answer will be no. I did a Google and came
    across this


    " ECN #155:
    Add in tests 4.2.39 and 5.2.46 to prevent TKIP from being used with HT
    rates"
    <http://www.polarisnetworks.net/datasheet/polaris11n-release-notes.pdf>

    also

    "Disallow TKIP with HT Rate - Mandatory"
    <http://www.adt.com.tw/english/news_files/2009100901.pdf>




  9. #9
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    news:hjeat3$pv1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in message
    > news:NuKdnfhH0_CjEcfWnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hjdhu7$jkv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>>
    >>> "Bob" <bob@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:ldydne61w6JnCcTWnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
    >>>> On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    >>>>> bitz wrote:
    >>>>>> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >>>>>> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >>>>>> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >>>>>> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >>>>>> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i turned
    >>>>>> on
    >>>>>> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription turned
    >>>>>> off
    >>>>>> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >>>>>> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >>>>>> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >>>>>> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >>>>>> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N. Basically
    >>>>>> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >>>>>> N settings?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Any ideas?
    >>>>> Hi,
    >>>>> I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of WiFi
    >>>>> radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >>>>>
    >>>> It was a function of the 802.11n draft.
    >>>>
    >>>> "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP or
    >>>> TKIP as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods (e.g.
    >>>> WEP, WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer Intel?
    >>>> wireless adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE 802.11g
    >>>> connection rather than failing to connect altogether, which complies
    >>>> with the IEEE 802.11n draft."
    >>>> <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>
    >>>
    >>> wow - thanks for posting -
    >>> will have to remember that for future....
    >>> does the actual "N" spec now allow for these encryptions ?
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> What actual N spec? it's still in draft, final specs aren't/defined
    >> approved yet....

    >
    > hey Tinker Bell -
    > do you ever have anything useful to add to a discussion ?
    > or just the slings & arrows...
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009#Timeline
    >
    >



    THANKS FOR THE LINK, IT VERIFIES THAT ONLY A DRAFT (11.0) HAS BEEN PASSED SO
    FAR... no actual n specs yet other than draft...there is however a group
    that certifies stuff (Wifi.org), however, they just certify that they work
    with each other

    even the latest from dlink..

    The D-LinkĀ® Xtreme Nā„¢ Gigabit Router (DIR-655) is a draft 2.0 802.11n
    compliant device

    note it says "draft"... seems if the latest 655 from dlink is only a
    draft, why would a 615 be a final?



  10. #10
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: strange problem with wireless N on dlink dir-615 / toshiba laptop

    On 25/01/2010 06:05, Peter Pan wrote:
    > "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    > news:hjeat3$pv1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>
    >> "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in message
    >> news:NuKdnfhH0_CjEcfWnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >>> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:hjdhu7$jkv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>>>
    >>>> "Bob" <bob@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:ldydne61w6JnCcTWnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
    >>>>> On 21/01/2010 23:56, Tony Hwang wrote:
    >>>>>> bitz wrote:
    >>>>>>> Should encription like wep / wpa etc be any different if your laptop
    >>>>>>> is connected in Wireless N mode v's G or B etc.
    >>>>>>> Here's whats bugging me at the moment. I have a new toshiba laptop
    >>>>>>> with wireless N capabilities and a dlink DIR-615 router. The DIR-615
    >>>>>>> has a setting which can force "wireless N only" mode which i
    >>>>>>> turned on
    >>>>>>> just to test out the wireless N speeds etc. With encription
    >>>>>>> turned off
    >>>>>>> it connects ok (speed was 150mbs ..5m across the room). The minute i
    >>>>>>> turn wep or wpa or wpa2 on my laptop wont connect (yeh im putting in
    >>>>>>> the same passcode into the laptop etc!). Yet if if change the router
    >>>>>>> to accept all speeds (ie wireless N G B etc), it connects ok wiht
    >>>>>>> WEP/WPA etc but only connects at 54mbit G settings ..not N.
    >>>>>>> Basically
    >>>>>>> if i use any encription ie wpa/wep etc it wont connect with wireless
    >>>>>>> N settings?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Any ideas?
    >>>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>> I had similar issue with Belkin N+router. It is a design fault of
    >>>>>> WiFi
    >>>>>> radio chip in the router. Maybe your D-link router uses same chip.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> It was a function of the 802.11n draft.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "The IEEE* 802.11n Draft prohibits using High Throughput with WEP
    >>>>> or TKIP as the unicast cipher. If you use these encryption methods
    >>>>> (e.g. WEP, WPA-TKIP), your data rate will drop to 54 Mbps. Newer
    >>>>> Intel? wireless adapter client drivers connect using a legacy IEEE
    >>>>> 802.11g connection rather than failing to connect altogether, which
    >>>>> complies with the IEEE 802.11n draft."
    >>>>> <http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/4965agn/sb/CS-025643.htm>
    >>>>
    >>>> wow - thanks for posting -
    >>>> will have to remember that for future....
    >>>> does the actual "N" spec now allow for these encryptions ?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> What actual N spec? it's still in draft, final specs aren't/defined
    >>> approved yet....

    >>
    >> hey Tinker Bell -
    >> do you ever have anything useful to add to a discussion ?
    >> or just the slings & arrows...
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n-2009#Timeline
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > THANKS FOR THE LINK, IT VERIFIES THAT ONLY A DRAFT (11.0) HAS BEEN
    > PASSED SO FAR


    Really?
    "September 11, 2009
    RevCom/Standards Board approval.[17]

    October 29, 2009
    Published.[2]"

    also
    "IEEE Ratifies 802.11n, Wireless LAN Specification to Provide
    Significantly Improved Data Throughput and Range"
    <http://standards.ieee.org/announcements/ieee802.11n_2009amendment_ratified.html>

    If you have $170 spare you can get a copy.
    <http://standards.ieee.org/prod-serv/80211n.html>


    .... no actual n specs yet other than draft...there is
    > however a group that certifies stuff (Wifi.org), however, they just
    > certify that they work with each other
    >
    > even the latest from dlink..
    >
    > The D-LinkĀ® Xtreme Nā„¢ Gigabit Router (DIR-655) is a draft 2.0 802.11n
    > compliant device
    >
    > note it says "draft"... seems if the latest 655 from dlink is only a
    > draft, why would a 615 be a final?
    >
    >

    As far as the Dlink UK site is concerned the 615 is still draft n
    <ftp://ftp.dlink.eu/datasheets/DIR-615.pdf>
    The release notes for the firmware for both revisions do not indicate
    any 11n amendments.
    Both the 615 and 655 were certified draft2 N by the WiFi Alliance.
    <http://certifications.wi-fi.org/pdf_certificate.php?cid=WFA5202>
    <http://certifications.wi-fi.org/pdf_certificate.php?cid=WFA4879>

    I will repeat this link since ADT have been given approval by the WiFi
    Alliance to carry out 11n final certification.
    <http://www.adt.com.tw/english/news_files/2009100901.pdf>
    Note that the option to test for either draft2.0 n or 11n ceased on the
    29th Dec 2009.

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