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  1. #1
    ps56k
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    Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
    as it was just launched in Chicago,
    and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
    desktop & USB -
    wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR

    It seems like Clear has several partners,
    as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -

    Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
    --
    ----------------------------------
    "If everything seems to be going well,
    you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright



  2. #2
    ps56k
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax


    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    news:hfhvv9$2es$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
    > as it was just launched in Chicago,
    > and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
    > desktop & USB -
    > wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
    > http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
    >
    > It seems like Clear has several partners,
    > as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
    >
    > Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
    > --
    > ----------------------------------


    Wondering -

    How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
    before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?



  3. #3
    ps56k
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    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax


    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    news:hfi0ub$8kk$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
    > news:hfhvv9$2es$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
    >> as it was just launched in Chicago,
    >> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
    >> desktop & USB -
    >> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
    >> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
    >>
    >> It seems like Clear has several partners,
    >> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
    >>
    >> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
    >> --
    >> ----------------------------------

    >
    > Wondering -
    >
    > How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
    > before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
    >


    hmmmmmmmm -
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago



  4. #4
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi0ub$8kk$1
    @news.eternal-september.org:

    > Wondering -
    >
    > How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
    > before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
    >
    >
    >


    Totally different philosophies. Wimax carriers are in the business to
    deliver UNLIMITED, HIGH SPEED data for use on anything you like.
    Sellphone carriers are in business to sell PHONE SERVICE, first, and data
    as a profit center after....to be milked for every cent they can.

    Rode down I-20 in Atlanta speed testing off Clear's system at 10Mbps on a
    Wimax aircard plugged into Dell's fastest laptop. That's NOT a burst-
    speed trick or stupid sellphone compression fantasy. That's to a flash-
    based speed test webpage, over and over. God it's FAST.

    Difference is WiMax won't be throttling phone and TV services like
    Sellphone carriers have done for years with their "only for email and web
    browsing" ********. There's no "5GB/month then we're gonna screw you
    good" mentality. What good will 5GB/month LTE 4G be? You don't expect a
    company selling data at $1.99/MB, $1,990/GB, to let you stream TV at
    2Mbps do you?.....ha!

    I was one of the first cellular phone customers in Charleston, SC.

    I intend to be one of the first WiMax data customers in Charleston, SC,
    too!

    Atlanta Wimax is here:
    http://www.wimaxatl.com/

    News about North Carolina is here:
    http://www.yesdigital.com/

    The combo plans are great. pick 2 = $55 for 6Mbps down/1Mbps up both
    home or mobile. pick 3 is $75.

    Think you'll ever see a sellphone carrier let you have two aircards and
    home broadband for $75/mo UNLIMITED?...4 times as fast as VZW delivers
    only 5GB/mo for $60 now?......NOT!


  5. #5
    Randall
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    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    On Dec 6, 8:22*pm, "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam...@interserv.com> wrote:
    > with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
    > as it was just launched in Chicago,
    > and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
    > desktop & USB -
    > wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
    >
    > It seems like Clear has several partners,
    > as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
    >
    > Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month


    I think it largely depends if Clearwire get's another major investor.
    If the Google phone comes out and if it is all IP then it's possible
    that Google could decide to invest. Google already has a bunch of
    fiber.

  6. #6
    ps56k
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax


    "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9CDA185F8AC75noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
    > "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi0ub$8kk$1
    > @news.eternal-september.org:
    >
    >> Wondering -
    >>
    >> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
    >> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Totally different philosophies. Wimax carriers are in the business to
    > deliver UNLIMITED, HIGH SPEED data for use on anything you like.
    > Sellphone carriers are in business to sell PHONE SERVICE, first, and data
    > as a profit center after....to be milked for every cent they can.
    >
    > Rode down I-20 in Atlanta speed testing off Clear's system at 10Mbps on a
    > Wimax aircard plugged into Dell's fastest laptop. That's NOT a burst-
    > speed trick or stupid sellphone compression fantasy. That's to a flash-
    > based speed test webpage, over and over. God it's FAST.
    >
    > Difference is WiMax won't be throttling phone and TV services like
    > Sellphone carriers have done for years with their "only for email and web
    > browsing" ********. There's no "5GB/month then we're gonna screw you
    > good" mentality. What good will 5GB/month LTE 4G be? You don't expect a
    > company selling data at $1.99/MB, $1,990/GB, to let you stream TV at
    > 2Mbps do you?.....ha!
    >
    > I was one of the first cellular phone customers in Charleston, SC.
    >
    > I intend to be one of the first WiMax data customers in Charleston, SC,
    > too!
    >
    > Atlanta Wimax is here:
    > http://www.wimaxatl.com/
    >
    > News about North Carolina is here:
    > http://www.yesdigital.com/
    >
    > The combo plans are great. pick 2 = $55 for 6Mbps down/1Mbps up both
    > home or mobile. pick 3 is $75.
    >
    > Think you'll ever see a sellphone carrier let you have two aircards and
    > home broadband for $75/mo UNLIMITED?...4 times as fast as VZW delivers
    > only 5GB/mo for $60 now?......NOT!
    >


    like with most broadband services - be it DSL or Cable -
    it will be interesting to read more of the real world experiences
    like here on DSL/Broadband reports
    http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago

    I can still see several "pizza box antennas" around our area rooftops
    from the last broadband wireless effort in Chicago - abandoned -

    There's even a couple dozen of the muni WiFi system antennas still on the
    street lights - again abandoned -



  7. #7
    Larry
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    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi6f6$gvq$1
    @news.eternal-september.org:

    > http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago


    Think back to when one of the sellphone carriers came to your town. They
    put up the first 5 towers across town then kept building out over a year or
    two to fill in the holes. Some got fantastic service. Others were in the
    DEAD ZONES as I used to call them on here when we switched to digital from
    AMPS.

    Growing pains.....I'm amazed at how much building Clear is doing!

    When I got my first cellular phone, there were two 500' towers to cover all
    of Charleston, SC. Service sucked away from the towers, of course. A year
    later, we had 12. Service was much improved. We switched to digital.
    Service sucked again. But, it got better as lots of small sites replaced
    the AMPS monsters my 3W bagphone used. Growing pains.

    As long as the building doesn't stop halfassed done like ATT/Cingular did,
    it'll happen with time.....


  8. #8
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in
    news:hficdj$se$1@news.eternal-september.org:

    > I can still see several "pizza box antennas" around our area rooftops
    > from the last broadband wireless effort in Chicago - abandoned -
    >
    > There's even a couple dozen of the muni WiFi system antennas still on
    > the street lights - again abandoned -
    >
    >
    >


    Within a couple of miles of my house, you can connect to W4CSC-R with your
    Pringle's cantenna and wifi router and use mine. If everyone did this,
    city systems would have be unnecessary. Warchalking isn't as good as it
    used to be before the comm companies rang all the alarm bells to reduce the
    freebie loading. Bandwidth goes to horrible waste across the net because
    of all the locked up routers noone can borrow in the neighborhood.

    You'll find a couple of Pringles cantennas on top of the enlisted barracks
    of the Charleston AFB....My little contribution to the troops keeping us
    safe. They're 1.8 miles from my 50' inverted plastic bucket with the 100mw
    router and 6db antenna. That's pretty good coverage, considering all the
    other routers raising hell in the area!

    Help yourself. It's not secured and there's 6mbps down for all to share.

    Heresy, ain't it? How awful!


  9. #9
    Ness-Net
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax


    "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns9CDA1E20D80A8noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
    > "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi6f6$gvq$1
    > @news.eternal-september.org:
    >
    >> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago

    >
    > Think back to when one of the sellphone carriers came to your town. They
    > put up the first 5 towers across town then kept building out over a year or
    > two to fill in the holes. Some got fantastic service. Others were in the
    > DEAD ZONES as I used to call them on here when we switched to digital from
    > AMPS.
    >
    > Growing pains.....I'm amazed at how much building Clear is doing!
    >
    > When I got my first cellular phone, there were two 500' towers to cover all
    > of Charleston, SC. Service sucked away from the towers, of course. A year
    > later, we had 12. Service was much improved. We switched to digital.
    > Service sucked again. But, it got better as lots of small sites replaced
    > the AMPS monsters my 3W bagphone used. Growing pains.
    >
    > As long as the building doesn't stop halfassed done like ATT/Cingular did,
    > it'll happen with time.....
    >


    L, old buddy. I have to complement you. Or at least make a comment on behalf of
    all the old timers here.

    This is the first I've seen you not bash digital.
    It's nice to see you have succumbed to reality. You mellowing on us??

  10. #10
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in
    news:JZCdnXgXqoWqn4PWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:

    > You mellowing on us??
    >


    NEVAH!.....(c;]

    I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!


  11. #11
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    In article <Xns9CDB77BCFCB52noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, noone@home.com
    says...
    >
    > "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in
    > news:JZCdnXgXqoWqn4PWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
    >
    > > You mellowing on us??
    > >

    >
    > NEVAH!.....(c;]
    >
    > I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!


    I'm betting Larry's issues are specifically with digital radios, like
    the ones in modern cell phones. And the problem is not limited to cell
    phones.

    Clear Channel, CBS Radio and many smaller players are hyping HDRadio,
    but, being digital, it too suffers from shorter range.

    Even the Sirius satellite receiver in my new car has occasional issues.
    I can count on losing the broadcast when I use the drive-up ATM at the
    bank near my house. No line-of-sight to the satellite... no signal.
    (Although I still think satellite radio is cool :>)

    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
    sjsobol@JustThe.net

  12. #12
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    On 2009-12-08, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
    > In article <Xns9CDB77BCFCB52noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, noone@home.com
    > says...
    >>
    >> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in
    >> news:JZCdnXgXqoWqn4PWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com:
    >>
    >> > You mellowing on us??
    >> >

    >>
    >> NEVAH!.....(c;]
    >>
    >> I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!

    >
    > I'm betting Larry's issues are specifically with digital radios, like
    > the ones in modern cell phones. And the problem is not limited to cell
    > phones.


    No, Larry's no luddite and I'd bet that he knows that digital radios
    are quite capable of significantly exceeding the range of NBFM under
    otherwise identical conditions. The problem is that the conditions
    aren't identical; if you replace a 3W NBFM handset and car kit with
    a 200 mW (if you're lucky) digital handset with an internal antenna
    you will definitely lose something.

    > Clear Channel, CBS Radio and many smaller players are hyping HDRadio,
    > but, being digital, it too suffers from shorter range.


    It isn't that it is digital, it is that the new digital and old
    analog radio are required to share the same spectrum that the old
    analog radio used to occupy by itself. If you try to put 20 lbs
    of potatoes into a 10 lb sack you are going to leave some potatoes
    on the floor no matter how high tech the sack is.

    > Even the Sirius satellite receiver in my new car has occasional issues.
    > I can count on losing the broadcast when I use the drive-up ATM at the
    > bank near my house. No line-of-sight to the satellite... no signal.
    > (Although I still think satellite radio is cool :>)


    Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
    radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
    that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
    either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
    receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
    over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
    "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
    analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
    in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.

    Dennis Ferguson

  13. #13
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    In article <slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>,
    dcferguson@pacbell.net says...


    > Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
    > radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
    > that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
    > either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
    > receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
    > over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
    > "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
    > analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
    > in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.



    How dare you bring facts into this conversation! :)

    Actually, our bank is one of the few places where I consistently drop
    the Sirius signal. Other locations, even locations with a concrete
    canopy over me (like at our bank), don't have much of a problem.

    And the beautiful thing is: when I drive through no-man's land in
    northeast San Diego County , where I've already lost the Los Angeles FM
    stations and I'm not quite close enough to get the San Diego FM signals,
    Sirius works.

    (I work onsite in San Diego at least twice a month.)

    SoCal sucks ass for FM radio, due to the mountainous terrain. I only
    live about 70 miles northeast of Los Angeles, and I shouldn't have to
    drive 30-45 minutes to hear Los Angeles radio stations, but I do...
    except under certain conditions when I can drive out to the west end of
    the Victor Valley, out near US 395, and occasionally get Jack FM or
    KLOS.


    --
    Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
    sjsobol@JustThe.net

  14. #14
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
    news:slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:

    > Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
    > radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
    > that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
    > either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
    > receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
    > over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
    > "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
    > analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
    > in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
    >
    > Dennis Ferguson
    >
    >


    I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
    was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
    Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
    TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
    case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
    MODEM the signal is ANALOG!

    All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
    voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
    tone pairs into the FM modulator.

    You guys are SO funny......)(c;]

    No, I don't give a **** which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.


  15. #15
    RickMerrill
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    Larry wrote:
    > Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
    > news:slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
    >
    >> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
    >> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
    >> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
    >> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
    >> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
    >> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
    >> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
    >> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
    >> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
    >>
    >> Dennis Ferguson
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
    > was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
    > Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
    > TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
    > case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
    > MODEM the signal is ANALOG!
    >
    > All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
    > voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
    > tone pairs into the FM modulator.
    >
    > You guys are SO funny......)(c;]
    >
    > No, I don't give a **** which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.
    >


    According to the EE all signals are analog!-) However, the definition of
    "digital" signals is an analog signal with THRESHOLDS!


  16. #16
    Dennis Ferguson
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    On 2009-12-10, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
    > Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
    > news:slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
    >
    >> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
    >> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
    >> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
    >> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
    >> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
    >> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
    >> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
    >> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
    >> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
    >>
    >> Dennis Ferguson
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
    > was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
    > Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
    > TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
    > case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
    > MODEM the signal is ANALOG!
    >
    > All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
    > voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
    > tone pairs into the FM modulator.
    >
    > You guys are SO funny......)(c;]
    >
    > No, I don't give a **** which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.


    It is possible to not give a **** what is fed into the modulator only
    if you also don't give a **** about getting it back out of the demodulator.
    Since the whole point of transmitting it is to get it back out, however,
    what is fed in and the efficiency with which it can be got back out is
    about the only interesting bit.

    Also, since the modulation is mostly PSK, it probably sounds more like
    clicks or belches than it does like tones. And since the narrowest
    cell phone transmissions in common use now occupy 200 kHz of bandwidth
    (the others being 1.25 MHz and 5 MHz), which is wider than broadcast
    FM, I don't think you're going to get by with a narrow band FM transmitter.

    Dennis Ferguson

  17. #17
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:39:26 -0600, Dennis Ferguson
    <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

    >Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
    >radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away;


    Sirius has a subtantial number of terrestrial repeaters. If you're in
    a major metro area, you're more likely to hear the repeater than the
    satellite:
    <http://www.dogstarradio.com/sirius_map.php>

    There's also quite a bit of diversity receive technology in the Sirius
    receivers:
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Satellite_Radio#Technology>

    >I'd like to see you do
    >that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
    >either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
    >receiving antenna on your car).


    Given a low enough data rate, you can go much farther. However,
    you're right about the antenna. The uglier the antenna, the better it
    works.

    --
    Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
    150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
    Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
    Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

  18. #18
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
    news:56p3i5la169hv8id7ju0ljl49g9qgi472h@4ax.com:

    > The uglier the antenna, the better it
    > works.
    >


    Precisely what I've been telling my horrified neighbors for 35 years since
    I put up the first ham antenna.....(c;]

    Have some fun with your neighbors. Put up a ham antenna. Even though you
    don't own a transmitter and never connected it to anything, you are
    responsible for every electronic failure and every cable outage for a 4
    square mile area.

    I was lucky for years. There was an illegal CBer with a huge tower and
    stacked ugly beams to blame until 1998 when he died. After that, it was my
    fault.


  19. #19
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:38:04 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

    >Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
    >news:56p3i5la169hv8id7ju0ljl49g9qgi472h@4ax.com:
    >
    >> The uglier the antenna, the better it
    >> works.


    >Precisely what I've been telling my horrified neighbors for 35 years since
    >I put up the first ham antenna.....(c;]


    It's true. Every antenna I've designed or cloned is like that. The
    ones that are near, clean, aesthetic, and elegant looking, don't work.
    The ones that defy calculations, were thrown together out of scrap,
    and are very messy, are the ones that work the best.

    >Have some fun with your neighbors. Put up a ham antenna. Even though you
    >don't own a transmitter and never connected it to anything, you are
    >responsible for every electronic failure and every cable outage for a 4
    >square mile area.


    Yep. When I first bought my house in about 1974, I installed a simple
    10ft pipe and 3ft marine fiberglass omni antenna on the roof. I was
    working in marine radio at the time. Almost immediately, well before
    I dragged home a radio, the TVI complaints arrived. They persisted
    for perhaps 25 years, until satellite and cable TV arrived to save my
    sanity.

    Actually, that didn't quite work. I installed a 19" DBS dish on the
    roof, which was common enough that it didn't attract any attention.
    However, when I installed a much larger 1 meter dish, one neighbor
    decided that I was "irradiating" her and causing all manner of
    maladies. I now have a large trash bag, with dead oak leaves glued
    all over it, covering the dish, so hopefully it won't be as
    noticeable.

    Incidentally, during the 1970's, there was a nearby cold war era
    200mhz long range radar transmitter on Mt Umunhum:
    <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7565270773>
    The radar would get into everything. I heard the buzz on every radio
    I dragged home, on my hi-fi, TV, test equipment, and even the coils in
    my toaster oven. Needless to say, there was plenty of RF exposure for
    everyone.

    >I was lucky for years. There was an illegal CBer with a huge tower and
    >stacked ugly beams to blame until 1998 when he died. After that, it was my
    >fault.


    Tell the neighbors that the CB'ers transmissions never really die out,
    and that his signals just bounce between the ground and the ionosphere
    forever. My might be able to milk a few more years of peace and quite
    with that ploy.


    --
    # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
    # 831-336-2558
    # http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com
    # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS

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    Larry
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    Re: Clearwire - 4G - WiMax

    Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
    news:oqk5i59v88tg2lit12ci5703l172jog93u@4ax.com:

    > Actually, that didn't quite work. I installed a 19" DBS dish on the
    > roof, which was common enough that it didn't attract any attention.
    > However, when I installed a much larger 1 meter dish, one neighbor
    > decided that I was "irradiating" her and causing all manner of
    > maladies. I now have a large trash bag, with dead oak leaves glued
    > all over it, covering the dish, so hopefully it won't be as
    > noticeable.
    >


    I probably would have had less trouble if I hadn't had two 40 watt
    flourescent tubes about 2/3 the way out on each side of the 80 meter dipole
    that lit up the whole yard like day, modulated by the SSB as I spoke way
    into the night....(c;]

    "Did you see the tubes lit up when your TV interference was going on?", I'd
    ask them, their faces blank. "No, but I know it was you!" "It couldn't
    have been me. Here watch.", I retorted switching to 75M and whistling into
    my mike lighting up the neighborhood like day. "I'm only on the air when
    those tubes are lit." That usually got rid of them....and impressed a
    local judge when they dragged me into court. Of course, I made no mention
    that the tubes didn't light up on 20 meters from the beam. They didn't
    need to know that.


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