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  1. #21
    M.L.
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    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    >>>> Now, your ATA is a "SMC Networks SMCWTVG Wireless Router/ATA".
    >>>>
    >>>> *Physically* connect the ethernet (RJ45) port of the SMCWTG to one of
    >>>> the 4 RJ45 ports on the CG814WG using a ethernet cable, then, set the
    >>>> SMCWTVG up as an Access Point.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> The Comcast Netgear router is located in a room upstairs while the
    >>> SMCWTVG is in a downstairs room, so there can be no direct connection
    >>> between the two. I bought the SMCWTVG in order to connect them
    >>> wirelessly.

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> You may not be able to do that (wireless from SMC==>CG814WG) with the
    >> SMCWTVG (see the image I linked). I don't know for sure, because I
    >> haven't worked with it, but that image seems to show hardwire connection
    >> from the SMCWTVG to the "Internet".
    >>
    >> If you hardwire the SMCWTVG to the CG814WG, both "upstairs", and plug a
    >> cordless phone into the SMCWTVG analop phone port, that will let you use
    >> your phone(s) for voice wirelessly (probably want to get one of the
    >> newer DECT/5GHz phone systems to avoid interference).
    >>
    >> The only thing not good about this is that both the SMCWTVG and CG814WG
    >> would be physically close to each other, so you don't get to have a
    >> larger wireless coverage for data.
    >>
    >> Jim
    >>

    >
    >Hi,
    >
    >P.S. Why not just call or email SMC tech support and ask them if the
    >SMCWTVG can do what you're looking for, and, if so, how?


    I called before and they told me the SMCWTVG was too old for tech
    support.

  2. #22
    M.L.
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    >>Unfortunately the Comcast Netgear web config doesn't allow the user to
    >>change either the default gateway IP or the IP range. I'll have to
    >>work with that given.

    >
    >ComCastInStone? I don't like having statically assigned IP's in the
    >middle of a dynamically assigned address space, but it can be made to
    >work. The trick is to use a static IP that the Netgear is unlikely to
    >assign. Unfortunately 192.168.0.2 for the SMC is too easy a target. I
    >suggest you set the IP for something at the high end of the range,
    >such as 192.168.0.200. The DHCP server is suppose to ping an address
    >before offering it, but that doesn't seem to be a universal feature or
    >fails if the wireless link is asleep, comatose, or suffering packet
    >loss.
    >
    >>>4. Turn OFF the DHCP server in the SMC. This may cause some initial
    >>>headaches until you establish a wireless connection with the Netgear.

    >>
    >>I can turn off DHCP only in Gateway mode on the SMC, and I can't
    >>guarantee that the result will still apply to the Wireless Client
    >>mode.

    >
    >This is not looking very good. Having two DHCP servers operating in
    >the same IP space has some potential problems. If you can't disarm
    >the SMC DHCP server, it might be possible to have it point to
    >192.168.0.1 as the default gateway and DNS server. That way, IP
    >addresses assigned by either device will work.


    I had no success when setting the default gateway to that of the SMC
    IP or when setting it to the Netgear IP.

    >Why the [deleted expletive] SMC decided that you don't need to
    >configure the device in client mode is beyond my limited imagination.
    >It's also not the first time they've done that. The SMC 2655w and
    >some other ancient 802.11b model AP (that I can't recall) does the
    >same thing. You have to setup everything in AP mode, and then switch
    >to client mode. Once in client mode, the only way to get back to the
    >settings was to punch the reset button and reload everything. I guess
    >this ordeal process is somehow an improvement.


    I'm ready to conclude that the SMCWTVG can't connect wirelessly to
    another wireless router, and just move on. I ordered a DLink DPH-541
    WiFi SIP phone that is designed to connect with a wireless router. I
    should have better luck with that. Thanks for all your time and
    effort. It is greatly appreciated.

  3. #23
    M.L.
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    >>>>I'm trying to get my wireless router to connect with my wireless ATA
    >>>>as an access point.
    >>>
    >>>The wireless router is already functionally equivalent to an access
    >>>point. Two access points can't connect to each other wirelessly. If
    >>>you're trying to make this a wireless connection, one side will need
    >>>to be configured as a client.

    >>
    >>Ok, I set the SMCWTVG mode as a Wireless Client. Here is what the
    >>manual states about that mode:
    >>
    >><quote>
    >>The configuration of wireless settings is available in Gateway Mode
    >>and Access Point Mode only.
    >>...
    >>To access a wireless network in Wireless Client mode, connect your PC
    >>to the LAN port and then set your PCs network connection to DHCP. In
    >>Wireless Client mode, the Personal Mobile Gateway acts as a DHCP
    >>server to assign IP address settings to one client connected on the
    >>LAN port. Use the default IP address, 192.168.2.1, to access the web
    >>management interface. Using the Setup Wizard or from the Mode Config
    >>page, you can then set up a connection to a nearby access point.
    >></quote>
    >>
    >>So I changed the SMCWTVG's gateway IP to 192.168.2.1, and it connects
    >>to my LAN connection using DHCP.

    >
    >So far, so good.
    >
    >>However, it knocks out my wireless
    >>laptop connection to the Netgear. I get my wireless Internet
    >>connection back only if I disable the LAN connection. Does that make
    >>sense?

    >
    >Not a bit, but probably because I don't know, or don't remember, how
    >you have things connected. Obviously, it shouldn't do that, and it
    >won't, once you get everything configured properly.
    >
    >It sounds like you're saying the modem/router can handle only one
    >wireless connection at a time. You might make sure the DHCP scope
    >isn't set for a single client, or just set a client IP manually until
    >you get the other stuff figured out.


    If you're talking about the Netgear, it can definitely connect to
    multiple wireless computers at the same time. As mentioned in other
    replies, I was not able to connect the two routers using static IPs.

    >>>Other random suggestions:
    >>>1. If you're eventually going to have two wireless access points
    >>>operating, choose different non-overlapping channels (such as 1,6,11)
    >>>for each.
    >>>2. Consider using different SSID's for each access point.

    >>
    >>I can't do any of those things in Wireless Client mode since the
    >>wireless settings are not available in that mode. I also notice that
    >>the wireless indicator light is unlit in Wireless Client mode.

    >
    >That's ok, in Client mode you don't need to do any of those things.
    >They are all done on the Access Point side of the wireless connection.
    >The Client just follows what the Access Point does.


    I've decided to give up on the SMCWTVG and move on to another wireless
    VOIP solution. Thanks for all your assistance and ideas Char.

  4. #24
    ohaya
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    M.L. wrote:
    >
    >>>>>Now, your ATA is a "SMC Networks SMCWTVG Wireless Router/ATA".
    >>>>>
    >>>>>*Physically* connect the ethernet (RJ45) port of the SMCWTG to one of
    >>>>>the 4 RJ45 ports on the CG814WG using a ethernet cable, then, set the
    >>>>>SMCWTVG up as an Access Point.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>The Comcast Netgear router is located in a room upstairs while the
    >>>>SMCWTVG is in a downstairs room, so there can be no direct connection
    >>>>between the two. I bought the SMCWTVG in order to connect them
    >>>>wirelessly.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Hi,
    >>>
    >>>You may not be able to do that (wireless from SMC==>CG814WG) with the
    >>>SMCWTVG (see the image I linked). I don't know for sure, because I
    >>>haven't worked with it, but that image seems to show hardwire connection
    >>>from the SMCWTVG to the "Internet".
    >>>
    >>>If you hardwire the SMCWTVG to the CG814WG, both "upstairs", and plug a
    >>>cordless phone into the SMCWTVG analop phone port, that will let you use
    >>>your phone(s) for voice wirelessly (probably want to get one of the
    >>>newer DECT/5GHz phone systems to avoid interference).
    >>>
    >>>The only thing not good about this is that both the SMCWTVG and CG814WG
    >>>would be physically close to each other, so you don't get to have a
    >>>larger wireless coverage for data.
    >>>
    >>>Jim
    >>>

    >>
    >>Hi,
    >>
    >>P.S. Why not just call or email SMC tech support and ask them if the
    >>SMCWTVG can do what you're looking for, and, if so, how?

    >
    >
    > I called before and they told me the SMCWTVG was too old for tech
    > support.



    Hi,

    Hah ! I guess that we're kind of in "the same boat" ... I had just
    posted their support a question about a problem that I have with a
    different SMC device (an SMCWAPS-G), and that was the same response I
    got from them. Thanks a lot SMC !!

    Jim


  5. #25
    M.L.
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    >>>P.S. Why not just call or email SMC tech support and ask them if the
    >>>SMCWTVG can do what you're looking for, and, if so, how?


    >> I called before and they told me the SMCWTVG was too old for tech
    >> support.


    >Hah ! I guess that we're kind of in "the same boat" ... I had just
    >posted their support a question about a problem that I have with a
    >different SMC device (an SMCWAPS-G), and that was the same response I
    >got from them. Thanks a lot SMC !!


    As a close to this thread I am happy to report that my Dlink DPH-541
    WiFi Phone arrived today and it installed and worked flawlessly. It
    immediately found my router and accepted an IP, and all I had to do
    was enter the Gizmo5 VOIP SIP info to receive free inbound calls and
    make 1.9/minute outbound calls, all in less than 30 minutes. I plan
    to switch my outbound carrier to Future-Nine, which charges about
    1.0/minute. Thanks again to all who replied.

  6. #26
    Char Jackson
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device

    On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:31:58 -0500, M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    >
    >
    >>>>P.S. Why not just call or email SMC tech support and ask them if the
    >>>>SMCWTVG can do what you're looking for, and, if so, how?

    >
    >>> I called before and they told me the SMCWTVG was too old for tech
    >>> support.

    >
    >>Hah ! I guess that we're kind of in "the same boat" ... I had just
    >>posted their support a question about a problem that I have with a
    >>different SMC device (an SMCWAPS-G), and that was the same response I
    >>got from them. Thanks a lot SMC !!

    >
    >As a close to this thread I am happy to report that my Dlink DPH-541
    >WiFi Phone arrived today and it installed and worked flawlessly. It
    >immediately found my router and accepted an IP, and all I had to do
    >was enter the Gizmo5 VOIP SIP info to receive free inbound calls and
    >make 1.9/minute outbound calls, all in less than 30 minutes. I plan
    >to switch my outbound carrier to Future-Nine, which charges about
    >1.0/minute. Thanks again to all who replied.


    I was intrigued by your choice of WiFi phone until I started reading
    reviews. Very disappointing to see that the negative outweigh the
    positive by at least 2 to 1. Hopefully, it will work out for you.


  7. #27
    Jeff Liebermann
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device

    On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:31:58 -0500, M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    >As a close to this thread I am happy to report that my Dlink DPH-541
    >WiFi Phone arrived today and it installed and worked flawlessly. It
    >immediately found my router and accepted an IP, and all I had to do
    >was enter the Gizmo5 VOIP SIP info to receive free inbound calls and
    >make 1.9/minute outbound calls, all in less than 30 minutes. I plan
    >to switch my outbound carrier to Future-Nine, which charges about
    >1.0/minute. Thanks again to all who replied.


    I'm currently a user of both Gizmo5 and Future-Nine.com. Also Skype
    and some private Asterisk servers.

    Gizmo5 has some of the worst customer service on the planet. Two
    attempts to sign up for the their service has resulted in billing
    confusion, delayed activation, and signing up for stuff I didn't
    order. At this time, I use it only for outgoing calls. It works
    well, but be careful with the billing.
    <http://www.dslreports.com/comment/3439/74700>
    <

    Future-Nine.com is probably the cheapest SIP provider available. I've
    been a customer for about a year, and am quite happy with the service.
    I pay $75/year for 300 minutes/month. It doesn't get much cheaper. I
    haven't had any downtime, except when something along the path gets
    constipated. That's the real problem as their servers are in New
    York, Miami, and Amsterdam. The owner (Nitzan Kon) was considering a
    left coast server several months ago, but I've heard nothing.
    <http://www.dslreports.com/comments/3245?1=1&p=1>
    (35 positive, 0 negative)

    The only connection to Wi-Fi is that I have a Linksys SPA921 that I
    sometimes connect to a butchered Linksys WRT54GL and battery pack
    setup as a wireless client bridge to make calls. It's not very
    portable but very useful for making cheap calls in some really odd
    locations, where the users want something resembling a real POTS
    phone.

    Please let us know how the DPH-541 wi-fi phone works for you. I would
    especially like to know how well it works in marginal locations (long
    range, high reflections, plenty of intereference, etc).


    I just plugged the wrong power supply into a PAP2. Smoke and several
    charred components. I hate days like this.


  8. #28
    M.L.
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    >>As a close to this thread I am happy to report that my Dlink DPH-541
    >>WiFi Phone arrived today and it installed and worked flawlessly. It
    >>immediately found my router and accepted an IP, and all I had to do
    >>was enter the Gizmo5 VOIP SIP info to receive free inbound calls and
    >>make 1.9/minute outbound calls, all in less than 30 minutes. I plan
    >>to switch my outbound carrier to Future-Nine, which charges about
    >>1.0/minute. Thanks again to all who replied.

    >
    >I was intrigued by your choice of WiFi phone until I started reading
    >reviews. Very disappointing to see that the negative outweigh the
    >positive by at least 2 to 1. Hopefully, it will work out for you.


    I think most of those negative reviews were due to outdated firmware.
    I really don't have most of those problems mentioned. I posted a
    positive review on Amazon that is more than a year since the last
    review. At least one of the reviews (re lack of Vonage compatibility)
    is the fault of the user, not DLink (see two comments). However, I
    *am* concerned about the lack of replacement battery. Hopefully one
    will become available before mine runs out.

  9. #29
    M.L.
    Guest

    Re: Wireless Router Can't See Wireless Device



    >>As a close to this thread I am happy to report that my Dlink DPH-541
    >>WiFi Phone arrived today and it installed and worked flawlessly. It
    >>immediately found my router and accepted an IP, and all I had to do
    >>was enter the Gizmo5 VOIP SIP info to receive free inbound calls and
    >>make 1.9/minute outbound calls, all in less than 30 minutes. I plan
    >>to switch my outbound carrier to Future-Nine, which charges about
    >>1.0/minute. Thanks again to all who replied.

    >
    >I'm currently a user of both Gizmo5 and Future-Nine.com. Also Skype
    >and some private Asterisk servers.
    >
    >Gizmo5 has some of the worst customer service on the planet. Two
    >attempts to sign up for the their service has resulted in billing
    >confusion, delayed activation, and signing up for stuff I didn't
    >order. At this time, I use it only for outgoing calls. It works
    >well, but be careful with the billing.
    ><http://www.dslreports.com/comment/3439/74700>


    I don't plan on doing anything with Gizmo5 that will trigger a
    billing.

    >Future-Nine.com is probably the cheapest SIP provider available. I've
    >been a customer for about a year, and am quite happy with the service.
    >I pay $75/year for 300 minutes/month.


    3600 outbound minutes/year will only cost me $36.00. And I do more
    inbound talking than outbound.

    > It doesn't get much cheaper. I
    >haven't had any downtime, except when something along the path gets
    >constipated. That's the real problem as their servers are in New
    >York, Miami, and Amsterdam. The owner (Nitzan Kon) was considering a
    >left coast server several months ago, but I've heard nothing.
    ><http://www.dslreports.com/comments/3245?1=1&p=1>
    >(35 positive, 0 negative)
    >
    >The only connection to Wi-Fi is that I have a Linksys SPA921 that I
    >sometimes connect to a butchered Linksys WRT54GL and battery pack
    >setup as a wireless client bridge to make calls. It's not very
    >portable but very useful for making cheap calls in some really odd
    >locations, where the users want something resembling a real POTS
    >phone.
    >
    >Please let us know how the DPH-541 wi-fi phone works for you. I would
    >especially like to know how well it works in marginal locations (long
    >range, high reflections, plenty of intereference, etc).


    So far everything's OK with Gizmo5 both inbound and outbound. When I
    used the DPH-541 with my Voicestick SIP credentials I got an immediate
    busy signal for outbound calls, and inbound calls went straight to
    voicemail. When I entered those same Voicestick credentials into my
    PhonerLite softphone, inbound and outbound calling was perfect. I
    can't explain the discrepancy. Fortunately Gizmo5/inbound and
    Future-Nine/outbound will be my VOIP providers of choice.

    I plan to keep the DPH-541 mostly housebound and use my cellphone
    outside. But I'll keep you informed of any unusual connection
    problems.

    >I just plugged the wrong power supply into a PAP2. Smoke and several
    >charred components. I hate days like this.


    No more ATAs for me :-)

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