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Thread: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm

  1. #1
    NoSpam
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    Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm

    Hello Group,

    I know next to nothing about routers and their firewall
    properties. For this reason I am asking for your friendly
    advice.

    So far I have used ZoneAlarm. It seems to have worked
    well. Unfortunately it is no longer being updated for my
    OS, Win2k.

    A friend of mine gave me a Robotics 8054 router. I under-
    stand that this device acts as a firewall. I do not intend to
    connect a number of PCs to it, just the PC I use for the
    internet and I intend to use a cable.

    Question: how good is the security with this router? Is it
    better than with ZoneAlarm? What do I need to know to
    set it up properly in terms of its firwall function. (I do know
    how to connect it.)

    Hopefully somebody will be able to help me. Thank you in
    advance.

    GR.



  2. #2
    Andrew Rossmann
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm

    In article <MPG.24aa745f8bedf49b989681@news.eternal-september.org>,
    geoffstempbox-usenet@yahoo.com says...
    > In article <V7V%l.696$NF6.128@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, NoSpam@verizon.net
    > says...
    > At the same time, using an outdated, unsupported OS is unwise.


    Win2K will still be supported with security updates until next summer.

    As for ZoneAlarm, there is no need to constantly update it. If you add
    any router in front (NOBODY should ever directly connect a computer
    these days), it will offer some good front-line protection. ZoneAlarm
    will help control outgoing connections if you want.

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  3. #3
    Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
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    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm

    Andrew Rossmann <andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
    > As for ZoneAlarm, there is no need to constantly update it.


    There isn't? So you mean to say that any vulnerabilities will magically
    fix themselves?

    [...]
    > (NOBODY should ever directly connect a computer these days),


    And why exactly might that be? Hm? Why shouldn't I connect a computer
    that doesn't have any services available on the external interface
    directly to my ISP?

    BTW, you do realize that routers are computers as well, don't you?

    [...]
    > ZoneAlarm will help control outgoing connections if you want.


    No, it won't.

    cu
    59cobalt
    --
    "If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
    their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
    --Mark Russinovich

  4. #4
    NoSpam
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm


    "G" <geoffstempbox-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.24aa745f8bedf49b989681@news.eternal-september.org...
    > In article <V7V%l.696$NF6.128@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, NoSpam@verizon.net
    > says...
    > >
    > > Hello Group,
    > >
    > > I know next to nothing about routers and their firewall
    > > properties. For this reason I am asking for your friendly
    > > advice.
    > >
    > > So far I have used ZoneAlarm. It seems to have worked
    > > well. Unfortunately it is no longer being updated for my
    > > OS, Win2k.
    > >
    > > A friend of mine gave me a Robotics 8054 router. I under-
    > > stand that this device acts as a firewall. I do not intend to
    > > connect a number of PCs to it, just the PC I use for the
    > > internet and I intend to use a cable.
    > >
    > > Question: how good is the security with this router? Is it
    > > better than with ZoneAlarm? What do I need to know to
    > > set it up properly in terms of its firwall function. (I do know
    > > how to connect it.)
    > >
    > > Hopefully somebody will be able to help me. Thank you in
    > > advance.
    > >
    > > GR.

    >
    > If you have the router properly configured, it (plus proper precautions
    > by the user) will be more effective than any software firewall.
    > The basics: an adequate admin password on the router, firewall on, NAT
    > on, UPnP off, encryption WPA2 if available (otherwise WPA) with a strong
    > encryption key. Beyond that, read the manual, making sure you understand
    > the different features.
    >
    > At the same time, using an outdated, unsupported OS is unwise. You
    > should strongly consider upgrading if your hardware can support Vista or
    > the forthcoming Windows 7. If your hardware doesn't meet the
    > requirements (or even if it does, depending on your situation &
    > willingness to learn something new), consider at least trying out a
    > distribution of Linux (Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, MEPIS, etc.) or BSD (PCBSD,
    > DesktopBSD, etc.).


    Thank you for your time to reply to my post!

    Your advice on how to set up the router were valuable. I shall try
    to read up on the various terms like NAT, UPnP etc.

    You mentioned Ubuntu as an alternative OS. I do have Ubuntu
    installed on my internet PC as a second OS, first is Win2k. I am
    not sure how Ubuntu would help in my situation. Can one use Zone-
    Alarm with it? Would it work with the Robotics router? What ad-
    vantage would it have for connecting to the internet? Problem with
    getting rid of Windows 2000 is the hassle with registering newer
    versions with Microsoft everytime one changes hardware and the
    fact that I have a wide carriage Epson printer (Epson Styus Pro
    1520 for which no driver is available other than Windows 2000
    and earlier.

    Thanks for any additional thoughts
    GR.


  5. #5
    NoSpam
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm


    "Andrew Rossmann" <andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:MPG.24aa8bcef84fe457989681@news.eternal-september.org...
    > In article <MPG.24aa745f8bedf49b989681@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > geoffstempbox-usenet@yahoo.com says...
    > > In article <V7V%l.696$NF6.128@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, NoSpam@verizon.net
    > > says...
    > > At the same time, using an outdated, unsupported OS is unwise.

    >
    > Win2K will still be supported with security updates until next summer.
    >
    > As for ZoneAlarm, there is no need to constantly update it. If you add
    > any router in front (NOBODY should ever directly connect a computer
    > these days), it will offer some good front-line protection. ZoneAlarm
    > will help control outgoing connections if you want.
    >
    > --
    > If there is a no_junk in my address, please REMOVE it before replying!
    > All junk mail senders will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the
    > law!!
    > http://home.att.net/~andyross


    Dear Andrew,

    Thank you for your reply. The idea to update Zone-Alarm came from
    ZoneAlarm which reminded me to update. When I tried to do so their
    site informed me, that there was no update for my system.

    As far as outgoing protection is concerned, why would I need it? Is it
    of value when some rogue program or a program masquerading as le-
    gitimate asks for outgoing connection? I have noted over the years that
    quite a few programs are asking for outgoing permission. Usually they
    seem to be programs trying to communicate with their mother site before
    or during an update. Sometimes it is not clear what the program does
    which is asking for outgoing permission. I find this to be one of the dis-
    advantages with Zone Alarm. Would a router not resolve this problem?

    Greetings
    GR.


  6. #6
    G
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm

    In article <Ps50m.702$9l4.181@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, NoSpam@verizon.net
    says...
    > Thank you for your time to reply to my post!
    >
    > Your advice on how to set up the router were valuable. I shall try
    > to read up on the various terms like NAT, UPnP etc.
    >
    > You mentioned Ubuntu as an alternative OS. I do have Ubuntu
    > installed on my internet PC as a second OS, first is Win2k. I am
    > not sure how Ubuntu would help in my situation. Can one use Zone-
    > Alarm with it?

    No. But you wouldn't need ZoneAlarm any longer.

    > Would it work with the Robotics router?

    Yes. Your router is OS independent. It will work with any OS that
    recognizes your network card.

    > What advantage would it have for connecting to the internet?

    Security. Linux presents fewer problems from a security standpoint. For
    one, the overwhelming majority of viruses, worms, etc. are designed to
    infect Windows. This is particularly important with older versions of
    Windows. And when the security support runs out for Win2k, you're out of
    luck. There is no way around upgrading the OS.

    Ubuntu on the other hand, is consistently updated every 6 months and
    will remain completely free.

    > Problem with getting rid of Windows 2000 is the hassle with
    > registering newer versions with Microsoft everytime one changes
    > hardware and the fact that I have a wide carriage Epson printer (Epson
    > Styus Pro 1520 for which no driver is available other than Windows
    > 2000 and earlier.

    I don't know about the printer driver issue. But I'd be surprised if one
    doesn't exist for an Epson product.

    In any case, when the Win2k security updates run out, you really have no
    choice but to upgrade if you don't want an infection. Since you already
    have Ubuntu installed, I would suggest starting to use it as your
    primary OS, switching back to Win2k when necessary. Then, when the death
    of Win2k support comes, it won't be a very big deal... and you won't
    have to fork out hundreds of dollars for the latest Windows. Even
    replacing your printer, if necessary (which I doubt), would cost much
    less.

  7. #7
    NoSpam
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm


    "G" <geoffstempbox-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.24ab17f69d1cb27e989682@news.eternal-september.org...
    > In article <Ps50m.702$9l4.181@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, NoSpam@verizon.net
    > says...
    > > Thank you for your time to reply to my post!
    > >
    > > Your advice on how to set up the router were valuable. I shall try
    > > to read up on the various terms like NAT, UPnP etc.
    > >
    > > You mentioned Ubuntu as an alternative OS. I do have Ubuntu
    > > installed on my internet PC as a second OS, first is Win2k. I am
    > > not sure how Ubuntu would help in my situation. Can one use Zone-
    > > Alarm with it?

    > No. But you wouldn't need ZoneAlarm any longer.
    >
    > > Would it work with the Robotics router?

    > Yes. Your router is OS independent. It will work with any OS that
    > recognizes your network card.
    >
    > > What advantage would it have for connecting to the internet?

    > Security. Linux presents fewer problems from a security standpoint. For
    > one, the overwhelming majority of viruses, worms, etc. are designed to
    > infect Windows. This is particularly important with older versions of
    > Windows. And when the security support runs out for Win2k, you're out of
    > luck. There is no way around upgrading the OS.
    >
    > Ubuntu on the other hand, is consistently updated every 6 months and
    > will remain completely free.
    >
    > > Problem with getting rid of Windows 2000 is the hassle with
    > > registering newer versions with Microsoft everytime one changes
    > > hardware and the fact that I have a wide carriage Epson printer (Epson
    > > Styus Pro 1520 for which no driver is available other than Windows
    > > 2000 and earlier.

    > I don't know about the printer driver issue. But I'd be surprised if one
    > doesn't exist for an Epson product.
    >
    > In any case, when the Win2k security updates run out, you really have no
    > choice but to upgrade if you don't want an infection. Since you already
    > have Ubuntu installed, I would suggest starting to use it as your
    > primary OS, switching back to Win2k when necessary. Then, when the death
    > of Win2k support comes, it won't be a very big deal... and you won't
    > have to fork out hundreds of dollars for the latest Windows. Even
    > replacing your printer, if necessary (which I doubt), would cost much
    > less.


    O.K. Thank you again!

    What you say makes sense and in fact I have anticipated some of
    your advice by installing Ubuntu. There is a question however regarding
    the interaction of Ubuntu and Win2k installed on the same PC. I have
    Win2k on the master drive and Ubuntu on its slave. Ubuntu can see the
    Windows' directories and read from them and write to them. Using Ubuntu
    for internet connection might therefore expose the Win2k installation to the
    net. Is this true or not?

    Regarding the Epson printer it can easily be verified by looking at Epson's
    download center that their 1520 printer does not have drivers beyond Win2k.
    I guess this is a way to keep the market for printers alive.

    Sincerly
    GR.


  8. #8
    G
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm


    > What you say makes sense and in fact I have anticipated some of
    > your advice by installing Ubuntu. There is a question however regarding
    > the interaction of Ubuntu and Win2k installed on the same PC. I have
    > Win2k on the master drive and Ubuntu on its slave. Ubuntu can see the
    > Windows' directories and read from them and write to them. Using Ubuntu
    > for internet connection might therefore expose the Win2k installation to the
    > net. Is this true or not?
    >

    I suppose it's theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. The target
    is security holes in the OS. If someone wants to exploit Windows, they
    will try to find a security hole they can expose to accomplish their
    purposes. They won't be trying to exploit a flaw in Linux to try to do
    harm to a separate Windows partition.

    > Regarding the Epson printer it can easily be verified by looking at Epson's
    > download center that their 1520 printer does not have drivers beyond Win2k.
    > I guess this is a way to keep the market for printers alive.
    >

    That doesn't necessarily mean there is no driver for it. It may already
    be built into later versions (like XP). The manufacturer might very well
    not provide a Linux driver. That is often the case. But there is an
    excellent chance that you will find one with a little diligence in
    searching forums and the web in general.

    > Sincerly
    > GR.




  9. #9
    NoSpam
    Guest

    Re: Robotics 8054 vs. Zone Alarm


    "G" <geoffstempbox-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.24ab5e89f92afa9c989683@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > > What you say makes sense and in fact I have anticipated some of
    > > your advice by installing Ubuntu. There is a question however regarding
    > > the interaction of Ubuntu and Win2k installed on the same PC. I have
    > > Win2k on the master drive and Ubuntu on its slave. Ubuntu can see the
    > > Windows' directories and read from them and write to them. Using Ubuntu
    > > for internet connection might therefore expose the Win2k installation to

    the
    > > net. Is this true or not?
    > >

    > I suppose it's theoretically possible, but highly unlikely. The target
    > is security holes in the OS. If someone wants to exploit Windows, they
    > will try to find a security hole they can expose to accomplish their
    > purposes. They won't be trying to exploit a flaw in Linux to try to do
    > harm to a separate Windows partition.
    >
    > > Regarding the Epson printer it can easily be verified by looking at

    Epson's
    > > download center that their 1520 printer does not have drivers beyond

    Win2k.
    > > I guess this is a way to keep the market for printers alive.
    > >

    > That doesn't necessarily mean there is no driver for it. It may already
    > be built into later versions (like XP). The manufacturer might very well
    > not provide a Linux driver. That is often the case. But there is an
    > excellent chance that you will find one with a little diligence in
    > searching forums and the web in general.
    >

    Thank you for a very helpful discussion.
    GR.


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