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  1. #1
    TM
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    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down


    "John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
    news:0tus255lkqmns211n9tmt8a5ne902dip8a@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:40:00 GMT, <news-support@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
    > <1244504405.49545_1178@flph199.ffdc.sbc.com>:
    >
    >>Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
    >>offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
    >>reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
    >>vendors.
    >>
    >>Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

    >
    > Tera News <http://www.teranews.com/>
    > One-time setup fee of $4, no monthly charge


    I hope their "paid" service works better than their free trial on
    "public.teranews.com." Can't connect to the server.



  2. #2
    dave AKA vwdoc1
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    Howabout that google news? Works too slow/late?

    Looks like my ISPs are just making it hard to stay with them. First AOL
    cuts off the newsgroups and now ATT.

    There was a dejanews once upon a time.

    I need my news! lol
    thnx

    "John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
    news:vm6t25lan4dddamaaaik7848amk4c860d8@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:18:08 -0700, "TM" <tee_emm@hotmail.com> wrote in
    > <sPwXl.3$ki.1@newsfe04.iad>:
    >
    >>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
    >>news:0tus255lkqmns211n9tmt8a5ne902dip8a@4ax.com...
    >>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:40:00 GMT, <news-support@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
    >>> <1244504405.49545_1178@flph199.ffdc.sbc.com>:
    >>>
    >>>>Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
    >>>>offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
    >>>>reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
    >>>>vendors.
    >>>>
    >>>>Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
    >>>
    >>> Tera News <http://www.teranews.com/>
    >>> One-time setup fee of $4, no monthly charge

    >>
    >>I hope their "paid" service works better than their free trial on
    >>"public.teranews.com." Can't connect to the server.

    >
    > You tend to get what you pay for. ;)
    > Looks like a transient Internet connectivity problem.
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://wireless.navas.us>
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  3. #3
    Moe Trin
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.internet.wireless, in article
    <fJMXl.28468$c45.9576@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

    >Howabout that google news? Works too slow/late?


    Google is a data-mining and advertising service. The search
    engine and Usenet archive is the candy they hope will attract you
    so they can smother you with advertisements.

    ]X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

    You've got a minor problem using a less than functional news tool.
    A better tool has a feature called a "killfile" or "score file",
    that allows you to filter off undesirable articles based on the
    "Xover" headers (From:, Subject:, References:, Date:, Bytes:,
    Lines:, Message-ID: and Xref:). Because of the rather huge amount
    of spam that comes out of google, a lot of people filter/block or
    otherwise don't see articles posted from there (rather simple -
    ignore all articles with a Message-ID ending in googlegroups.com).
    If you want your articles to be seen, the best chance is to find
    a real news server.

    >Looks like my ISPs are just making it hard to stay with them. First
    >AOL cuts off the newsgroups and now ATT.


    You seem to be in the Chicago area - surely there are less incompetent
    ISPs available. Have you tried a search engine?

    Results 1 - 10 of about 49,900 for DSL ISP Chicago. (0.42 seconds)

    Results 1 - 10 of about 30,700 for DSL ISP Illinois. (0.22 seconds)

    >There was a dejanews once upon a time.


    Bought by google - plug www.dejanews.com into your browser, and you
    are redirected to groups.google.com by the DNS.

    [compton ~]$ host www.dejanews.com
    www.dejanews.com is a nickname for groups.google.com
    groups.google.com is a nickname for groups.l.google.com
    groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.113
    groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.102
    groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.100
    groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.101
    [compton ~]$

    >I need my news! lol


    http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet..._News_Servers/
    http://www.geocities.com/freefreenews/
    news://alt.free.newsservers

    There are (literally) hundreds of "low cost" or "free" news servers
    available. One problem that occurs with some servers is that they
    can be abused - used for posting spam, trolling, general noise, and
    may wind up in many killfiles. A lesser problem is that most free
    and low cost news servers do not carry "binary" newsgroups because
    the wareZ, trojanZ, pr0n and virus-ware posted to those groups tends
    to take up a LOT of space. Commercial news servers still carry a lot
    of those groups, but they cost more.

    Old guy

  4. #4
    dave AKA vwdoc1
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    Thanks for the information!

    Hey Old Guy or anyone else,
    So are there any particular news servers that you recommend?
    I guess you are recommending that I maybe use Mozilla Thunderbird instead of
    that MS OE product too. lol
    MS OE does let me Block Senders though and yeah I know the fools aim to
    destroy those using the MS products.

    How about..........
    freenews.netfront.net
    They seem to carry the news that I read so if there are no negative
    comments, I will use their service for now. <g>

    BTW Connections to ATT DSL have been pretty rock solid!

    Again thanks!
    --
    later,
    (One out of many daves)


    "Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote in message
    news:slrnh302mb.ai4.ibuprofin@compton.phx.az.us...
    > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.internet.wireless, in
    > article
    > <fJMXl.28468$c45.9576@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
    >
    >>Howabout that google news? Works too slow/late?

    >
    > Google is a data-mining and advertising service. The search
    > engine and Usenet archive is the candy they hope will attract you
    > so they can smother you with advertisements.
    >
    > ]X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
    >
    > You've got a minor problem using a less than functional news tool.
    > A better tool has a feature called a "killfile" or "score file",
    > that allows you to filter off undesirable articles based on the
    > "Xover" headers (From:, Subject:, References:, Date:, Bytes:,
    > Lines:, Message-ID: and Xref:). Because of the rather huge amount
    > of spam that comes out of google, a lot of people filter/block or
    > otherwise don't see articles posted from there (rather simple -
    > ignore all articles with a Message-ID ending in googlegroups.com).
    > If you want your articles to be seen, the best chance is to find
    > a real news server.
    >
    >>Looks like my ISPs are just making it hard to stay with them. First
    >>AOL cuts off the newsgroups and now ATT.

    >
    > You seem to be in the Chicago area - surely there are less incompetent
    > ISPs available. Have you tried a search engine?
    >
    > Results 1 - 10 of about 49,900 for DSL ISP Chicago. (0.42 seconds)
    >
    > Results 1 - 10 of about 30,700 for DSL ISP Illinois. (0.22 seconds)
    >
    >>There was a dejanews once upon a time.

    >
    > Bought by google - plug www.dejanews.com into your browser, and you
    > are redirected to groups.google.com by the DNS.
    >
    > [compton ~]$ host www.dejanews.com
    > www.dejanews.com is a nickname for groups.google.com
    > groups.google.com is a nickname for groups.l.google.com
    > groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.113
    > groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.102
    > groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.100
    > groups.l.google.com has address 74.125.115.101
    > [compton ~]$
    >
    >>I need my news! lol

    >
    > http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet..._News_Servers/
    > http://www.geocities.com/freefreenews/
    > news://alt.free.newsservers
    >
    > There are (literally) hundreds of "low cost" or "free" news servers
    > available. One problem that occurs with some servers is that they
    > can be abused - used for posting spam, trolling, general noise, and
    > may wind up in many killfiles. A lesser problem is that most free
    > and low cost news servers do not carry "binary" newsgroups because
    > the wareZ, trojanZ, pr0n and virus-ware posted to those groups tends
    > to take up a LOT of space. Commercial news servers still carry a lot
    > of those groups, but they cost more.
    >
    > Old guy




  5. #5
    Moe Trin
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.internet.wireless, in article
    <QD8Yl.18687$jZ1.6716@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

    >Thanks for the information!


    You're welcome!

    >So are there any particular news servers that you recommend?


    This is sorta like "any particular car that you recommend?" (car
    could also be "beer", ice-cream, or radio/television station).

    >I guess you are recommending that I maybe use Mozilla Thunderbird
    >instead of that MS OE product too. lol


    I dunno - I like Butter Pecan. No, I can't recommend any windows
    application, as I haven't used windows in about 17 years.

    >MS OE does let me Block Senders though and yeah I know the fools aim
    >to destroy those using the MS products.


    http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

    I wouldn't be without a news reader with score/killfile capability.

    [compton ~]$ grep -vE '^([%\[ ]|Score|$)' /var/spool/slrnpull/score |
    cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq -c | column
    1104 From: 25 References: 2 ~Subject:
    3 Lines: 498 Subject:
    43 Message-ID: 85 Xref:
    [compton ~]$

    That's probably gobbledy-gook to you, but that says there are 1104
    entries in the killfile for the "From:" header, 498 for "Subject:"
    and so on. I try to scan 80 Usenet newsgroups each day.

    >How about..........


    Hey - if it works for you...

    >BTW Connections to ATT DSL have been pretty rock solid!


    I ditched ATT for other reasons. YMMV

    Old guy

  6. #6
    dave AKA vwdoc1
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    Again thanks Old Guy!
    I will heed your advice! ;-)
    --
    later,
    (One out of many daves)

    "Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote in message
    news:slrnh32op8.gjk.ibuprofin@compton.phx.az.us...
    > On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.internet.wireless, in
    > article
    > <QD8Yl.18687$jZ1.6716@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
    >
    >>Thanks for the information!

    >
    > You're welcome!
    >
    >>So are there any particular news servers that you recommend?

    >
    > This is sorta like "any particular car that you recommend?" (car
    > could also be "beer", ice-cream, or radio/television station).
    >
    >>I guess you are recommending that I maybe use Mozilla Thunderbird
    >>instead of that MS OE product too. lol

    >
    > I dunno - I like Butter Pecan. No, I can't recommend any windows
    > application, as I haven't used windows in about 17 years.
    >
    >>MS OE does let me Block Senders though and yeah I know the fools aim
    >>to destroy those using the MS products.

    >
    > http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html
    >
    > I wouldn't be without a news reader with score/killfile capability.
    >
    > [compton ~]$ grep -vE '^([%\[ ]|Score|$)' /var/spool/slrnpull/score |
    > cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq -c | column
    > 1104 From: 25 References: 2 ~Subject:
    > 3 Lines: 498 Subject:
    > 43 Message-ID: 85 Xref:
    > [compton ~]$
    >
    > That's probably gobbledy-gook to you, but that says there are 1104
    > entries in the killfile for the "From:" header, 498 for "Subject:"
    > and so on. I try to scan 80 Usenet newsgroups each day.
    >
    >>How about..........

    >
    > Hey - if it works for you...
    >
    >>BTW Connections to ATT DSL have been pretty rock solid!

    >
    > I ditched ATT for other reasons. YMMV
    >
    > Old guy




  7. #7
    ps56k
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down


    "John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
    news:j8dv25d8i19bvfgng34r2prb7tf9omitt2@4ax.com...
    > Google News is actually a news indexing service, so I presume you are
    > referring to Google Groups, which evolved from DejaNews (taken over by
    > Google), and which has its place (particularly as an archive), but I
    > personally prefer a good NNTP client (like Agent) to the web interface
    > of Google Groups, which indeed isn't as fast as a good NNTP server.
    >
    > I have a list of good news service providers at
    > <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Alt.internet.wireless#Links>
    >
    >

    tnx for the links -
    not really interested in Binary or the issues of Censorship -
    so... don't want pirated software, movies, etc -
    just reading the tech stuff -
    a.. Giganews
    b.. NewsDemon.com recommended
    c.. NewsgroupDirect
    d.. Newsguy
    e.. Supernews
    f.. ThunderNews
    g.. UseNeXT
    h..



  8. #8
    DevilsPGD
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    In message <uIfYl.35076$ZP4.8046@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> "ps56k"
    <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> was claimed to have wrote:

    >tnx for the links -
    >not really interested in Binary or the issues of Censorship -
    >so... don't want pirated software, movies, etc -
    >just reading the tech stuff -
    > a.. Giganews
    > b.. NewsDemon.com recommended
    > c.. NewsgroupDirect
    > d.. Newsguy
    > e.. Supernews
    > f.. ThunderNews
    > g.. UseNeXT
    > h..
    >


    You've got a couple duplicates there... Giganews and Supernews are the
    same company, Newsguy, Thundernews, NewsgroupDirect and NewsDemon are
    all Highwinds Media operated servers (although they may not be exactly
    the same farms as Highwinds operates a reseller program as well as their
    own front-ends)

  9. #9
    dave AKA vwdoc1
    Guest

    Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

    Update former rock-solid freenews.netfront.net went down today and is
    currently not up AFAIK

    now I am trying out
    news.eternal-september.org


    "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1nospam@pleasehotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:QD8Yl.18687$jZ1.6716@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
    > Thanks for the information!
    >
    > Hey Old Guy or anyone else,
    > So are there any particular news servers that you recommend?
    > I guess you are recommending that I maybe use Mozilla Thunderbird instead
    > of that MS OE product too. lol
    > MS OE does let me Block Senders though and yeah I know the fools aim to
    > destroy those using the MS products.
    >
    > How about..........
    > freenews.netfront.net
    > They seem to carry the news that I read so if there are no negative
    > comments, I will use their service for now. <g>
    >
    > BTW Connections to ATT DSL have been pretty rock solid!
    >
    > Again thanks!
    > --
    > later,
    > (One out of many daves)




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