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  1. #21
    Jim Rainfordson
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    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?


    > I like the GL because (I think) it's more versatile and more amenable
    > to running 3rd party firmware. It runs on a stripped version of Linux
    > and I believe it has more memory, among other things.


    > In the Newegg photos, the SecureEasy Setup button is the rectangular
    > Cisco logo on the far left of the front panel. That logo is actually a
    > mechanical switch, and while its default purpose is to help you set up
    > yourwirelesssecurity, (something you can easily do yourself), you
    > can use it to turn thewirelessfunction on and off if you install the
    > dd-wrt 3rd party firmware. (dd-wrt is recommended for other reasons,
    > this is just a side perk.)


    Thanks Char for your patience in explaining this. I think I got it
    now!


  2. #22
    seaweedsl
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    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    Jim, I'll weigh in here also on various points.

    1) Most people in your position would just get a linksys type wireless
    and replace their wired, but consideriing you want easy on/off with a
    mechanical switch (versus a software switch) then it's probably best
    to "hang" a wireless AP (or router) off of your wired router.

    To turn it on and off, pull the plug from the back of it. Or clamp one
    of those inline lamp switches onto it's power cord. Or plug it into
    it's own power strip with a switch.

    You do not strike me as the kind of user who wants to get involved
    with DD-WRT or other alternative firmwares at this point, so give that
    a pass - for now. BUT, if you do think you might want to someday,
    then maybe you should get a compatible router for that. A linksys
    WRT54GL is good for that - they cost more than the regular cheapo
    Linksys 54G.
    The basic model has been downgraded over the years and the linksys
    WRT54G (no L) you can get at Walmart is weak and no longer has
    replaceable antennas. It's ok for basic nearby wireless, but it not
    very future-proof device so only buy the Walmart version if
    convenience and price are most important..

    I suggest the WRT54GL on Newegg or even better is the Buffalo WHR-HP-
    G54 (at newegg) to get a quality powerful router that will serve you
    for any unforseen future configurations. The Buffalo has the
    best .coverage of any G router. Both will readily take DDWRT or Tomato
    if ever needed.

    Linksys "L" router: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124190
    Buffalo "HP" router: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833162134



    2) You don't mention anything about the distances or coverage that you
    will need for your wife's pc or your kid's. This is important. If
    you need good coverage, then the "wounded" (no antenna connectors)
    version may not work. If you find that the regular antenna doesn't
    reach, then the better routers I mentioned will allow you to put a
    high gain antenna on them. In fact, that Buffalo already has a high-
    ish gain antenna. It's got great coverage.

    3) Wireless USB adapters - I also prefer ones that have external
    antenna connections for the same reason. If reception with the built-
    in (usually weak) antenna is insufficient, then you can put something
    stronger on it.

    Take a look at this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833315075

    Really, you need to give us some idea of your layout for wifi
    (distance, walls to pass through, construction) before choosing
    devices.

    I agree that G is a good choice if your neighborhood is not over-
    crowded with wifi and you don't need to stream HD video over wireless.

    Steve



  3. #23
    Char Jackson
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    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:17:17 -0700 (PDT), Jim Rainfordson
    <jimrainfordson@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >> can re-purpose that switch so that it becomes a very easy way of
    >> turning thewirelessfunction on and off. So yes, you can make it act
    >> exactly as you described above.

    >
    >Oh okay, now I see what you mean about the button. The other
    >functions aren't useful to me, but the button hack might come in
    >handy. However, I did a layman's reading comparing the WRT54G and
    >54GL and the GL seemed to be the better model (for technical reasons I
    >only barely grasp). I'll have to research the firmware update to see
    >if it works on GL.


    dd-wrt (and several other 3rd party firmwares) work perfectly on the
    WRT54GL.

    >I'm assuming for my purposes that turning the
    >unit on/off will achieve the same purpose even if this means
    >unplugging it from the wall.


    Yes.


  4. #24
    Peter Pan
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    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?


    "Jim Rainfordson" <jimrainfordson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:b724f62b-41a3-4f36-8386-67902ba07ef0@f37g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
    >> can re-purpose that switch so that it becomes a very easy way of
    >> turning thewirelessfunction on and off. So yes, you can make it act
    >> exactly as you described above.

    >
    > Oh okay, now I see what you mean about the button. The other
    > functions aren't useful to me, but the button hack might come in
    > handy. However, I did a layman's reading comparing the WRT54G and
    > 54GL and the GL seemed to be the better model (for technical reasons I
    > only barely grasp). I'll have to research the firmware update to see
    > if it works on GL. I'm assuming for my purposes that turning the
    > unit on/off will achieve the same purpose even if this means
    > unplugging it from the wall.
    >
    > Thanks


    FWIW, the gl is a better device, just mentioned the wrt54g cuz it's
    discontinued and super CHEAP...... blowout prices at walmart



  5. #25
    Jim Rainfordson
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    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    seaweeds,

    Thanks for the reply.

    Regarding the power switch, I'm not afraid of firmware updates but it
    might just be easier to put the switch elsewhere as you suggest. I
    think I've got this aspect covered thanks to you and the suggestions
    of Char and others.

    > I suggest the WRT54GL on Newegg or even better is the Buffalo WHR-HP-
    > G54 (at newegg) to get a quality powerful router that will serve you
    > for any unforseen future configurations. *The Buffalo has the
    > best .coverage of any G router. Both will readily take DDWRT or Tomato
    > if ever needed.
    >
    > Linksys "L" router: * *http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124190
    > Buffalo "HP" router: *http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833162134


    My choice for Linksys was made mostly out of laziness. I'd much
    rather spend an extra ten bucks and get the GL just in case I need it
    in the future. I guess the choice is then between the GL and the
    Buffalo. Either one sounds fine and Newegg has them each for the same
    price. However, I've never heard of Buffalo and the Linksys brand is
    more mainstream.


    > 2) You don't mention anything about the distances or coverage that you
    > will need for your wife's pc or your kid's. *This is important. *If
    > you need good coverage, then the "wounded" (no antenna connectors)
    > version may not work. *If you find that the regular antenna doesn't
    > reach, then the better routers I mentioned will allow you to put a
    > high gain antenna on them. *In fact, that Buffalo already has a high-
    > ish gain antenna. It's got great coverage.


    Long story short, I only wanted wireless for "as needed" use by a
    laptop. I'd like to use the laptop for browsing and some basic video
    streaming. I don't need the "kids" computer on the network, but it
    might be nice to have it hook up quickly and easily in rare cases.
    So, as an afterthought, I thought I'd get the net adapter for that
    too. I live in a two story house, but the basement is carved out of
    hill and that's where I would keep the computer and router. It would
    be nice to be able to use the laptop anywhere in the house and just
    outside in the backyard. I can move the router to a more central
    location if necessary. There doesn't seem to be a lot of manuf.
    information about how far the routers reach. I will say that I've
    used wireless speakers broadcasting from a small antenna device
    plugged into the computer, and they reach everywhere in the house just
    fine. The reason for wanting to turn the wireless off was to avoid
    being hacked or having bandwidth stolen. Maybe having a strong
    broadcasting router is counterproductive. Then again, I really don't
    have any experience with the kind of range they have.

    >
    > 3)WirelessUSB adapters - I also prefer ones that have external
    > antenna connections for the same reason. *If reception with the built-
    > in (usually weak) antenna is insufficient, then you can put something
    > stronger on it.
    >
    > Take a look at this one: *http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833315075


    Well, again, I probably don't need anything that powerful in terms of
    range. The kids computer is pretty much in the same room. However,
    if it's just a few dollars either way, I might as well get one that
    might serve me better in the future. That said, I don't know much
    about the Edimax Brand, but the Newegg users seem to like it. As long
    as it supports "g" then I guess that's good enough.

    > I agree that G is a good choice if your neighborhood is not over-
    > crowded with wifi and you don't need to stream HD video overwireless.


    Okay, so "n" has more to do with offering a different channel than a,
    b, or g. I have high speed bandwidth, but it's on the low end of the
    scale. I think G will be fine.

    Thanks seaweeds. I'll mull this over and make a newegg order in the
    next couple days.

  6. #26
    Jim Rainfordson
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?


    > FWIW, the gl is a better device, just mentioned the wrt54g cuz it's
    > discontinued and super CHEAP...... blowout prices at walmart


    You did well answering my question, but I've changed gears a bit. I
    don't need more than the "G" but for a few dollars more I can get the
    newer GL version which might come in handy in the future. I guess
    it's between the GL and the Buffalo. An in another 180 turn, I guess
    at this point, I'm less concerned with buying it locally. NewEgg will
    be fine.

    Thanks PP


  7. #27
    Rambo
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    seaweedsl wrote:
    > Jim, I'll weigh in here also on various points.


    > I agree that G is a good choice if your neighborhood is not over-
    > crowded with wifi and you don't need to stream HD video over wireless.
    >


    If one of the neighborhood sent wifi without wap(or other protection)
    any "switching solution" in the house will ne not working, because the
    laptop can hang on the neighborhood unprotected connection.

  8. #28
    Jim Rainfordson
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    Just put my order in. Going for the Linksys WRT54GL. I'll get a
    network adapter for the kids PC, but the laptop should be good to go.

    Thanks everyone for your patience, time and advice.

    Jim

  9. #29
    Rambo
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    Jim Rainfordson wrote:
    > Just put my order in. Going for the Linksys WRT54GL. I'll get a
    > network adapter for the kids PC, but the laptop should be good to go.
    >
    > Thanks everyone for your patience, time and advice.
    >
    > Jim

    Did you read my reply speaking about ? ....
    "Wifi pc's can hang on an unprotected neighborhood connection".

  10. #30
    Jim Rainfordson
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    On Mar 27, 11:04*am, Rambo <Rambo.t...@pircarre.be> wrote:
    > Jim Rainfordson wrote:
    > > Just put my order in. *Going for the Linksys WRT54GL. *I'll get a
    > > network adapter for the kids PC, but the laptop should be good to go.

    >
    > > Thanks everyone for your patience, time and advice.

    >
    > > Jim

    >
    > Did you read my reply speaking about ? ....
    > "Wifi pc's can hang on an unprotected neighborhood connection".


    Well, I'm a network newbie, esp. regarding wireless. I don't think
    wifi is available in my area although a neighbor might have a wireless
    router or something. I thought I could force the laptop to point
    towards my signal by assigning it an IP along with the router to
    recognize it. Anyway, I don't want to get into a lot of networking
    talk because I won't be familiar with it again until I do it again.
    If the problem you state exists, I'm not sure what the work around
    would be, but I assume there must be one. I'm not sure how that would
    have changed my purchase choice. Perhaps an "N" router?

    Thanks for raising the issue. I'll post back if I have a problem, but
    the order's already in.

    Jim

  11. #31
    Peter Pan
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?


    "Jim Rainfordson" <jimrainfordson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:a1b813e9-3f47-4112-89ea-07d82459e1a6@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
    On Mar 27, 11:04 am, Rambo <Rambo.t...@pircarre.be> wrote:
    > Jim Rainfordson wrote:
    > > Just put my order in. Going for the Linksys WRT54GL. I'll get a
    > > network adapter for the kids PC, but the laptop should be good to go.

    >
    > > Thanks everyone for your patience, time and advice.

    >
    > > Jim

    >
    > Did you read my reply speaking about ? ....
    > "Wifi pc's can hang on an unprotected neighborhood connection".


    Well, I'm a network newbie, esp. regarding wireless. I don't think
    wifi is available in my area although a neighbor might have a wireless
    router or something. I thought I could force the laptop to point
    towards my signal by assigning it an IP along with the router to
    recognize it. Anyway, I don't want to get into a lot of networking
    talk because I won't be familiar with it again until I do it again.
    If the problem you state exists, I'm not sure what the work around
    would be, but I assume there must be one. I'm not sure how that would
    have changed my purchase choice. Perhaps an "N" router?

    Thanks for raising the issue. I'll post back if I have a problem, but
    the order's already in.

    Jim

    couple of things, you can just plug a wap/router (router part to router part
    instead of the wan input) into an existing router and it leaves your
    existing stuff alone, but gives wireless access to your network.... no
    reason you can't do that with what you ordered...... just plug it into your
    existing router instead of replacing it....

    as for n, fraid you've been a victim of advertising lies, ain't no n specs
    yet (just pre-N), so they can call ANYTHING n at the moment, and make any
    outrageous claims lies, specially if they use the weasel words "up to" in
    their lies....like up to 2,4,8,16,32,64,etc times the range, think about it,
    do any of them guarantee extra range, or do they use the weasel words "up
    to"... may work better or may work worse, i'd avoid it.....





  12. #32
    Jim Rainfordson
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?


    > couple of things, you can just plug a wap/router (router part to router part
    > instead of the wan input) into an existing router and it leaves your
    > existing stuff alone, but giveswirelessaccessto your network.... no
    > reason you can't do that with what you ordered...... just plug it into your
    > existing router instead of replacing it....


    Actually, that's just what I intend to do. Thanks!

    >
    > as for n, fraid you've been a victim of advertising lies, ain't no n specs
    > yet (just pre-N), so they can call ANYTHING n at the moment, and make any
    > outrageous claims *lies, specially if they use the weasel words "up to"in
    > their lies....like up to 2,4,8,16,32,64,etc times the range, think about it,
    > do any of them guarantee extra range, or do they use the weasel words "up
    > to"... may work better or may work worse, i'd avoid it.....


    Well, none of the stuff I ordered is rated for "n", so I guess I
    dodged that bullet.

    Thanks again.
    Jim



  13. #33
    Jim Rainfordson
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    HEY!

    I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but I just
    wanted to say that I followed the collective advice of everyone here
    and things worked out very well. I got the WRT54GL wireless router
    and used it as a switch, plugging it into the wired router. I just
    pull the plug when I want to "disable" wireless. I'll eventually rig
    some kind of switch on it for easy use. I ended up redoing my whole
    network. Good learning experience.

    Okay, that's it. Just wanted to thank alt.internet.wireless and
    alt.comp.networking.routers. It really is neat that people are
    willing to share their time and knowledge with a total stranger like
    me.

    Thanks!

    Jim

  14. #34
    1PW
    Guest

    Re: Convert Router to Wireless for ONE COMPUTER ONLY HT?

    On 04/03/2009 05:26 AM, Jim Rainfordson sent:
    > HEY!
    >
    > I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but I just
    > wanted to say that I followed the collective advice of everyone here
    > and things worked out very well. I got the WRT54GL wireless router
    > and used it as a switch, plugging it into the wired router. I just
    > pull the plug when I want to "disable" wireless. I'll eventually rig
    > some kind of switch on it for easy use. I ended up redoing my whole
    > network. Good learning experience.
    >
    > Okay, that's it. Just wanted to thank alt.internet.wireless and
    > alt.comp.networking.routers. It really is neat that people are
    > willing to share their time and knowledge with a total stranger like
    > me.
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Jim


    Thank you for the update, /That/ is our reward.

    Pete
    --
    1PW @?6A62?FEH9:DE=6o2@=]4@> [r4o7t]

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