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  1. #1
    riggor9999
    Guest

    Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    All - I have an interesting question .....

    I have a BEFSR11 router that I have not been using for a while (this has
    last firmware available - from 2004). I am a Comcast customer and I am
    using a BEFCMU10 DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem.

    I was using a Vonage / Motorola VT2442 router but I needed more flexibility
    with firewall rules - so I put back my BEFSR11 in place, and put the VT2442
    behind the BEFSR11 (via my gigabit switch) and the only thing connected to
    the VT2442 is the phone. Phone works fine - no issues.

    Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs,
    printers, VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch, etc.

    Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down. I
    have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically see
    is that powerboost is not working or not there.

    I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.

    http://speedtest.comcast.net/
    http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
    http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

    I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could not
    find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?

    I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.

    Thx




  2. #2
    daytripper
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:55:04 -0500, "riggor9999" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    >All - I have an interesting question .....
    >
    >I have a BEFSR11 router that I have not been using for a while (this has
    >last firmware available - from 2004). I am a Comcast customer and I am
    >using a BEFCMU10 DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem.
    >
    >I was using a Vonage / Motorola VT2442 router but I needed more flexibility
    >with firewall rules - so I put back my BEFSR11 in place, and put the VT2442
    >behind the BEFSR11 (via my gigabit switch) and the only thing connected to
    >the VT2442 is the phone. Phone works fine - no issues.
    >
    >Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs,
    >printers, VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch, etc.
    >
    >Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down. I
    >have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically see
    >is that powerboost is not working or not there.
    >
    >I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    >effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.
    >
    >http://speedtest.comcast.net/
    >http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
    >http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
    >
    >I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could not
    >find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    >specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?
    >
    >I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    >more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.
    >
    >Thx


    I'm thinking the WAN port is 10base-T, which would pretty much explain the
    throttling of your internet connection...

  3. #3
    riggor9999
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?


    "daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:cv4tq4pa83f8um2ki0g067ftb8q0rjmhht@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:55:04 -0500, "riggor9999"
    > <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>All - I have an interesting question .....
    >>
    >>I have a BEFSR11 router that I have not been using for a while (this has
    >>last firmware available - from 2004). I am a Comcast customer and I am
    >>using a BEFCMU10 DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem.
    >>
    >>I was using a Vonage / Motorola VT2442 router but I needed more
    >>flexibility
    >>with firewall rules - so I put back my BEFSR11 in place, and put the
    >>VT2442
    >>behind the BEFSR11 (via my gigabit switch) and the only thing connected to
    >>the VT2442 is the phone. Phone works fine - no issues.
    >>
    >>Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs,
    >>printers, VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch,
    >>etc.
    >>
    >>Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down. I
    >>have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically see
    >>is that powerboost is not working or not there.
    >>
    >>I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    >>effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.
    >>
    >>http://speedtest.comcast.net/
    >>http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
    >>http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
    >>
    >>I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could
    >>not
    >>find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    >>specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?
    >>
    >>I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    >>more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.
    >>
    >>Thx

    >
    > I'm thinking the WAN port is 10base-T, which would pretty much explain the
    > throttling of your internet connection...


    That is exactly it ... I did not think to check - ugh ...

    WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)

    LAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet) or 100Mbps (100BaseTX Fast Ethernet)



  4. #4
    Steve Baker
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:42:18 -0500, "riggor9999"
    <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote:

    >>>I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    >>>effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.

    ....

    >> I'm thinking the WAN port is 10base-T, which would pretty much explain the
    >> throttling of your internet connection...

    >
    >That is exactly it ... I did not think to check - ugh ...
    >
    >WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)


    That wouldn't limit you to 6 Mb, though. I'm gonna guess that that
    problem is about Powerboost needing DOCSIS 1.1+.

    --
    Steve Baker

  5. #5
    riggor9999
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?


    "Steve Baker" <bakesph@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:fj5uq41bl5cc1iu85q1u8kmldbuhlst9l5@4ax.com...
    > On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:42:18 -0500, "riggor9999"
    > <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >>>>I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    >>>>effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.

    > ...
    >
    >>> I'm thinking the WAN port is 10base-T, which would pretty much explain
    >>> the
    >>> throttling of your internet connection...

    >>
    >>That is exactly it ... I did not think to check - ugh ...
    >>
    >>WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)

    >
    > That wouldn't limit you to 6 Mb, though. I'm gonna guess that that
    > problem is about Powerboost needing DOCSIS 1.1+.


    It was fine with the same cable modem and the motorola vt2442 router. I am
    guessing that since the wan interface is only 10mb ... powerboost senses the
    limitation and stops "boosting" so it falls back to the standard 6mb.

    http://www.comcast.net/powerboost/



  6. #6
    daytripper
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:06:18 -0500, Steve Baker <bakesph@comcast.net> wrote:

    >On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:42:18 -0500, "riggor9999"
    ><riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >>>>I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    >>>>effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.

    >...
    >
    >>> I'm thinking the WAN port is 10base-T, which would pretty much explain the
    >>> throttling of your internet connection...

    >>
    >>That is exactly it ... I did not think to check - ugh ...
    >>
    >>WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)

    >
    > That wouldn't limit you to 6 Mb, though. I'm gonna guess that that
    >problem is about Powerboost needing DOCSIS 1.1+.


    Ethernet uses 8b/10b coding, so even *before* you strip out packet headers and
    other cruft, the maximum payload throughput - on a good day going down hill
    with a supersonic tail wind is 8Mbit/second...

  7. #7
    Steve Baker
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:19:06 -0500, daytripper
    <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

    >Ethernet uses 8b/10b coding, so even *before* you strip out packet headers and
    >other cruft, the maximum payload throughput - on a good day going down hill
    >with a supersonic tail wind is 8Mbit/second...


    Hmm. My old 10 Mb NIC would do right around 10 Mb on LAN transfers
    (according to an FTP program).

    --
    Steve Baker

  8. #8
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    In alt.online-service.comcast Steve Baker <bakesph@comcast.net> wrote:
    >>WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)

    >
    > That wouldn't limit you to 6 Mb, though. I'm gonna guess that that
    > problem is about Powerboost needing DOCSIS 1.1+.
    >


    Actually, with overhead, it might limit you to 8Mbps. My guess is that
    particular modem, they simply limit to 6 Mbps as a configuration choice rather
    than telling it to "open up".

    --
    Thomas T. Veldhouse

    Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.

  9. #9
    JR Weiss
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    "riggor9999" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote...
    >
    > Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs, printers,
    > VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch, etc.
    >
    > Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down. I
    > have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically see is
    > that powerboost is not working or not there.
    >
    > I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could not
    > find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    > specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?


    Those old routers had 10 Mbps WAN ports. They worked fine when the best you
    could EVER get from cable was 12 Mbps, and most of us were lucky to get 5...



  10. #10
    riggor9999
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?


    "JR Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:gomirq$f98$1@news.motzarella.org...
    > "riggor9999" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote...
    >>
    >> Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs,
    >> printers, VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch,
    >> etc.
    >>
    >> Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down.
    >> I have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically
    >> see is that powerboost is not working or not there.
    >>
    >> I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could
    >> not find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    >> specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?

    >
    > Those old routers had 10 Mbps WAN ports. They worked fine when the best
    > you could EVER get from cable was 12 Mbps, and most of us were lucky to
    > get 5...
    >
    >


    That is exactly it ... I did not think to check - ugh ...

    WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)

    LAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet) or 100Mbps (100BaseTX Fast Ethernet)



  11. #11
    Rob -- invalid
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?


    "riggor9999" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:gon3l7$600$1@news.motzarella.org...
    >
    > "JR Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:gomirq$f98$1@news.motzarella.org...
    >> "riggor9999" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote...
    >>>
    >>> Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs,
    >>> printers, VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch,
    >>> etc.
    >>>
    >>> Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down.
    >>> I have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically
    >>> see is that powerboost is not working or not there.
    >>>
    >>> I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could
    >>> not find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    >>> specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?

    >>
    >> Those old routers had 10 Mbps WAN ports. They worked fine when the best
    >> you could EVER get from cable was 12 Mbps, and most of us were lucky to
    >> get 5...
    >>
    >>

    >
    > That is exactly it ... I did not think to check - ugh ...
    >
    > WAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet)
    >
    > LAN: 10Mbps (10BaseT Ethernet) or 100Mbps (100BaseTX Fast Ethernet)
    >
    >


    And if you bypass the router and go direct --
    you get both 22 mbps and a different IP address.



  12. #12
    Rob -- invalid
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?


    "riggor9999" <riggor9999@nospam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:goltn6$7ht$1@news.motzarella.org...
    > All - I have an interesting question .....
    >
    > I have a BEFSR11 router that I have not been using for a while (this has
    > last firmware available - from 2004). I am a Comcast customer and I am
    > using a BEFCMU10 DOCSIS 1.1 cable modem.
    >
    > I was using a Vonage / Motorola VT2442 router but I needed more
    > flexibility with firewall rules - so I put back my BEFSR11 in place, and
    > put the VT2442 behind the BEFSR11 (via my gigabit switch) and the only
    > thing connected to the VT2442 is the phone. Phone works fine - no issues.
    >
    > Cable modem <---> BEFSR11 <---> 24 port gigabit switch <---> pcs,
    > printers, VT2442, blu-ray player, wireless access points, wii, itouch,
    > etc.
    >
    > Since I made the change - I noticed my download speeds have slowed down. I
    > have also gone to the variety of speed test sites and what I basically see
    > is that powerboost is not working or not there.
    >
    > I tried these sites - which always show download speeds that include the
    > effects of powerboost - but now - I always get 6mb down and 3mb up.
    >
    > http://speedtest.comcast.net/
    > http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
    > http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
    >
    > I looked through the Linksys support sites and various forums but could
    > not find the answer .... Is there a speed limit to the BEFSR11? Or more
    > specifically - do older routers not work with Powerboost?
    >
    > I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    > more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.
    >
    > Thx
    >
    >
    >


    Bypass the (BEFSR41) router (direct to the computer) and I get 22 mbps.
    Via the router I get 5 mbps.



  13. #13
    f/fgeorge
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:27:14 -0600, "Rob -- invalid"
    <invalid@somewheronearth.INVALID> wrote:

    >>
    >> I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    >> more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.
    >>
    >> Thx
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Bypass the (BEFSR41) router (direct to the computer) and I get 22 mbps.
    >Via the router I get 5 mbps.
    >

    Time for a new router then! You can always rent one from 'them'. You
    know it will work!

  14. #14
    Thad Floryan
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work withpowerboost?

    On Mar 5, 5:30 am, f/fgeorge <ffgeo...@yourplace.com> wrote:
    > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:27:14 -0600, "Rob -- invalid"
    >
    > <inva...@somewheronearth.INVALID> wrote:
    >
    > >> I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    > >> more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.

    >
    > >> Thx

    >
    > >Bypass the (BEFSR41) router (direct to the computer) and I get 22 mbps.
    > >Via the router I get 5 mbps.

    >
    > Time for a new router then! You can always rent one from 'them'. You
    > know it will work!


    Except you'll pay 5x or more over its lifetime than buying one
    yourself.

    The BEFSR41 routers are typically $55 or so. If you do choose to buy
    one,
    make sure it's at least a hardware version 4.3; the earlier versions
    don't
    have a 100 Mbps WAN port.

    FWIW, my setup is:

    ||
    Motorola Surfboard SB5101
    ||
    SonicWall TZ-170 Hardware Firewall
    ||
    Linksys BEFSR41 Version 4.3
    ||
    LAN switches

    Comcast rolled-out DOCSIS 3.0 here on March 3; I ran the
    speedtest, results here:

    <http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Comcast_20090303.jpg>

    An article describing the DOCSIS 3.0 rollout is here:

    <http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?
    blogid=19&entry_id=36455>


  15. #15
    $Bill
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work with powerboost?

    Thad Floryan wrote:
    >
    > Comcast rolled-out DOCSIS 3.0 here on March 3; I ran the
    > speedtest, results here:
    >
    > <http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Comcast_20090303.jpg>


    So that's 24/6 Mbps compared to my 6/.5 - how much do you have to
    pay for that or is it some sort of a beta deal you have going to
    get it at the normal rate ?

  16. #16
    Thad Floryan
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work withpowerboost?

    On Mar 6, 1:50 am, "$Bill" <n...@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
    > Thad Floryan wrote:
    >
    > > Comcast rolled-out DOCSIS 3.0 here on March 3; I ran the
    > > speedtest, results here:

    >
    > > <http://thadlabs.com/PIX/Comcast_20090303.jpg>

    >
    > So that's 24/6 Mbps compared to my 6/.5 - how much do you have to
    > pay for that or is it some sort of a beta deal you have going to
    > get it at the normal rate ?


    I have no idea. Those results are what I experienced when
    running the test after reading the article in the SF Chronicle
    on March 3. It's not clear whether everyone gets the new speed
    automatically or not -- there's been no info from Comcast in
    this regards.

    I've only had Comcast service since July 2008 when I lost my
    Sprint Broadband 6 Mbps due to the FCC reallocating frequencies
    last year; you can see the microwave antenna I had to use for
    Sprint here (and which Sprint apparently abandoned since they
    never asked to return it, the modem or power supply (after 10
    years' service)):

    <http://thadlabs.com/PIX/LX200/>

    Though I'm in the heart of Silicon Valley, neither cable nor
    DSL were available here until 3 years ago, and I'm apparently
    one of the first to have Comcast in this neighborhood (and
    only for Internet).





  17. #17
    paul_0090
    Guest

    Re: Do older routers have speed limitations? not work withpowerboost?

    On 2009-03-06, Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> wrote:
    > On Mar 5, 5:30 am, f/fgeorge <ffgeo...@yourplace.com> wrote:
    >> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:27:14 -0600, "Rob -- invalid"
    >>
    >> <inva...@somewheronearth.INVALID> wrote:
    >>
    >> >> I have not put anything back they way it was - because I need the better /
    >> >> more flexible firewall rules that the BEFSR11 has and the VT2442 does not.

    >>
    >> >> Thx

    >>
    >> >Bypass the (BEFSR41) router (direct to the computer) and I get 22 mbps.
    >> >Via the router I get 5 mbps.

    >>
    >> Time for a new router then! You can always rent one from 'them'. You
    >> know it will work!

    >
    > Except you'll pay 5x or more over its lifetime than buying one
    > yourself.
    >
    > The BEFSR41 routers are typically $55 or so. If you do choose to buy
    > one,
    > make sure it's at least a hardware version 4.3; the earlier versions
    > don't
    > have a 100 Mbps WAN port.
    >

    ............ skipped .........

    The pricing is still a gamble. In 7 years, I went thru 3 modems from
    comcast; now on the 4th modem which does voice. Renting is cost
    effective for me; "it all depends" whether on ever have "problems".

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